Animals You Eat: Bad Meat!

[Abbadon]

No insane length needed - switch animal protein with plant protein - ensure that you are getting Bs & Omegas (can be done with dietary choices or supplements) - and you have made the sane switch - it IS cheaper - so for the poor it can be a great way to go - it is however VERY counter-cultural - just like being Catholic is

I find that it is very “in” to be a vegetarian. It’s very culturally acceptable today to be a vegetarian or vegan.

For a family of 5 all that balancing and work seems rather difficult and seeing as my mother is the principle chef, I doubt she would bother working it all out. Much easier to eat meat and fish 3 - 5 times a week.

 

[laserlipo]

Hi all…
I also eat hen, goat meet which are neat and clean, i don’t find any problem with that also because its nice for my health…

 

[Abbadon]

Hi all…
I also eat hen, goat meet which are neat and clean, i don’t find any problem with that also because its nice for my health…

How come only hen and not chickens? Do you have a problem eating cocks? Actually come to think of it… I don’t think I’ve ever eaten one either…

 

[Sair]

How come only hen and not chickens? Do you have a problem eating cocks? Actually come to think of it… I don’t think I’ve ever eaten one either…

Just as an aside, the French country dish coq au vin was originally invented as a means to use an old cockerel that had reached the end of its useful life as a mate for the hens (and an alarm clock). The idea being that the old, tough meat was marinated in wine and stewed in order to make it palatable. I suspect nobody in our society, if they ever make coq au vin, actually uses an old cock (as the Two Fat Ladies said, there’s a lot of goodness in an old cock) - but I like the concept behind the dish, because to me it suggests making the most of resources, rather than wasting meat because it’s too old, not tender enough, not lean enough, not pretty enough…or any of the consumer-desired characteristics that drive the modern meat production industry.

 

[cathybramble]

But in all seriousness if we all bought RSPCA approved and freerange animals, which is what I do, wouldn’t this show that we wan’t humanely treated animals to eat?

But sometimes that isn’t possible, if your poor you buy what you can afford, and sometimes all you can afford is caged eggs and hens.

There is no reason to go to the insane leangth of becoming a vegan.

the truth is, very very few people actually “need” to eat eggs. if we “needed” to eat them i’d have been dead years ago so being poor is not an excuse to eat caged eggs, sorry, try again. if and when the government stops subsidizing animal products and starts making corporations pay for the pollution they create, you will be amazed how much you don’t “need” to eat eggs, too, because the real cost would be out of reach for most people.

but now what really amuses me is that i’ve been reading your posts, the lengths you go to, to hunt meat (pardon me but it seems that hunting, killing, gutting, skinning, butchering, preserving/freezing, and finally cooking those animals is quite a lot of work). then you say LIKE to kill… you enjoy it, just like an animal (but you are human, are you morally superior to animals or not?). so let’s talk about what’s insane and what “lengths” are required to be vegan.

unless you are hopelessly dependent on processed food, it is easier and just as tasty (if not more) to prepare vegan food. it is a nutritionally sound, very natural diet that is part of the solution to animal cruelty, social injustices, and environmental degradation.

when people say that being vegan is extreme or difficult, i know that they know nothing about it and have never tried it. when they say that it is anti-catholic or even heretical, i know they have no understanding of their faith. anyone who says this is spiritually stunted, or perhaps just honestly has no clue what the realities are about where their meat, eggs, and dairy come from.

 

[maryjk]

No insane length needed - switch animal protein with plant protein - ensure that you are getting Bs & Omegas (can be done with dietary choices or supplements) - and you have made the sane switch - it IS cheaper - so for the poor it can be a great way to go - it is however VERY counter-cultural - just like being Catholic is

unless you are hopelessly dependent on processed food, it is easier and just as tasty (if not more) to prepare vegan food. it is a nutritionally sound, very natural diet that is part of the solution to animal cruelty, social injustices, and environmental degradation.

If it is nutritionally sound, why would you need supplements?

 

[cathybramble]

If it is nutritionally sound, why would you need supplements?

i don’t. and unlike some of my anemic omnivorous friends, i don’t have problems donating blood at the blood drives.

but the vitamin industry is a multi-billion dollar a year gig… do you think it’s just the vegans who are buying them? do you know anyone who eats meat who takes supplements? i do…

 

[maryjk]

i don’t. and unlike some of my anemic omnivorous friends, i don’t have problems donating blood at the blood drives.

but the vitamin industry is a multi-billion dollar a year gig… do you think it’s just the vegans who are buying them? do you know anyone who eats meat who takes supplements? i do…

The reason I asked was because 4elise said something about it. And I got the impression that she was vegan or at least not an omnivore. So some vegans must be buying them.

I take supplements, but it is because of my Celiac.

 

[cathybramble]

The reason I asked was because 4elise said something about it. And I got the impression that she was vegan or at least not an omnivore. So some vegans must be buying them.

I take supplements, but it is because of my Celiac.

i’m lactose intolerant myself… fortunately, most soy milk is fortified the same way dairy milk is. i do switch off between rice, soy, and almond milks.

it’s not hard to be vegan. it really bothers me when people perpetuate the lie that it is unhealthy and somehow extreme. you do have to learn something about nutrition and cooking, but then… that is going to be necessary regardless of the diet you choose, if you want to be healthy.

if you want to talk about an unhealthy diet, read this from the USDA:

ers.usda.gov/publications/foodreview/jan1996/frjan96a.pdf

note that the 3 leading causes of death, heart disease, cancer, and stroke are not associated with a vegan diet. quite the contrary if you research it.

 

[4elise]

The reason I asked was because 4elise said something about it. And I got the impression that she was vegan or at least not an omnivore. So some vegans must be buying them.

I take supplements, but it is because of my Celiac.

My response - regarding supplements was in response to someone (sorry can’t remember who) said it was difficult to go vegan - so what I was saying wsa the easy way is to replace animal protein with plant protein (beans - grains - nuts) but if you don’t want to do a lot of work on the nutrition issues - ie learning about adding yummy nutritional yeast, etc… you can pick up the slack in a vitamin or two - and as someone else said it certainly isn’t all the vegans and vegetarians buying these!

 

[Marfran]

No insane length needed - switch animal protein with plant protein - ensure that you are getting Bs & Omegas (can be done with dietary choices or supplements) - and you have made the sane switch - it IS cheaper - so for the poor it can be a great way to go - it is however VERY counter-cultural - just like being Catholic is

:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:
Yes, it’s easier than you think.

 

[Marfran]

If it is nutritionally sound, why would you need supplements?

If you eat a healthy diet you do not need supplements. A person eating a healthy vegan diet does NOT need supplements. A person eating a healthy vegan diet is much less likely to need supplements than a person who eats a fast food diet, or the Standard American diet. Supplements are intended for individuals who do not get enough of this or that in their diet, or who have other special concerns–such as people with certain medical conditions, pregnant women, the elderly, etc.* Any ***diet can be lacking in certain nutrients. If you only eat potato chips and string cheese–you will need supplements. If you only eat vegan potato chips, morning, noon and night–you will need supplements. If you only eat hotdogs, french fries, scrambled eggs, and bologna sandwiches (and you despise fruits and vegetables)–you will need supplements. Supplements are an individual consideration in any one person’s individual diet.

 

[Gertabelle]

If it is nutritionally sound, why would you need supplements?

I, an omnivore, had planned on just lurking here but decided to jump back in for this one.

There are a variety of reasons for taking supplements that are not necessarily because of nutritional deficencies. There are imbalances caused by stress, by lack of exercise, by environmental factors, or by life’s circumstances. I took supplements when I discovered my wheat allergy to help my system “re-align” and to clear up a rash I’d developed. I took supplements when I couldn’t nurse due to lack of milk. I take supplements now because my life is so out of balance that my body has become completely out of balance.

Supplements are necessary for nutritional problems, but most people in this country (from my limited viewpoint) take them for other reasons.

Gertie (back to lurking now )

 

[maryjk]

I think people are taking my “taking supplements” comment out of context.

The only reason I mentioned it was because someone said that people that don’t eat meat, don’t miss any nutrients. Then another said that they could make up anything they missed by taking supplements.

The comment made was very clear. It is only the people that eat meat that need supplements, that vegans can give blood, unlike meat eaters. They all seem to be anemic.

I don’t have a problem with anyone taking supplements. I take a prescription supplement, due to my Celiac. My husband takes a different prescription supplement, due to a heart attack. (please keep in mind, that he never had high cholesterol, isn’t fat, nor old. ) I just think it is funny that some vegans think that only meat eaters take supplements, then another recommends them.

 

[Lemonpoptart]

Just my 2c.

I think the choice of whether or not to eat meat is a personal one. I don’t believe any animal should be tortured or live in inhumane conditions. I also don’t think they should be shot up full of hormones to make them grow bigger, faster. I don’t want my kids to “blossom” when they’re 8 yrs old because there are hormones in their food.

I do like meat. I like to know that the beef I am eating once enjoyed sunshine, and played kiss and chase around the farm. I like to know that my chicken got to fluff her feathers out, and scratch for fat grubs if she wanted to. I know that most animals raised for food live in horrific conditions… and if we buy that meat (or dairy) then we are supporting that. I do NOT support it. Maybe that sounds contradictory… since I eat meat… isn’t be slaughtered “torture”? I think the animal should be killed as humanely as possible. It should not be allowed to suffer. If my only choice was to eat animals who’d lived a horrible existence and then brutally killed, then heck yeah… I’d be a veggie girl all the way.

Oh… and to the person who asked if someone has eaten rooster, (raises hand) I have. And yes he was a tough old bird!!

I don’t believe in needless killing, or allowing the poor animal to suffer. But I also believe God gave us these animals to eat, and I don’t see a darn thing wrong with that. Like I said… I think it’s just a personal choice. Just please choose carefully when you shop.

 

[cathybramble]

I think people are taking my “taking supplements” comment out of context.

The only reason I mentioned it was because someone said that people that don’t eat meat, don’t miss any nutrients. Then another said that they could make up anything they missed by taking supplements.

The comment made was very clear. It is only the people that eat meat that need supplements, that vegans can give blood, unlike meat eaters. They all seem to be anemic.

I don’t have a problem with anyone taking supplements. I take a prescription supplement, due to my Celiac. My husband takes a different prescription supplement, due to a heart attack. (please keep in mind, that he never had high cholesterol, isn’t fat, nor old. ) I just think it is funny that some vegans think that only meat eaters take supplements, then another recommends them.

i think it’s funny that you are claiming i said something that i didn’t, and claiming that i think something that i don’t.

you are the one who made the issue about taking supplements. if you wish to show that the vegan diet is not nutritionally complete or natural because some vegans take supplements, then you have to concede that the omnivore diet is also not natural or complete because lots of omnivores take supplements too.

as another poster said, any diet can be incomplete, it depends on how well a person works nutrition into what they eat.

 

[cathybramble]

Just my 2c.

I think the choice of whether or not to eat meat is a personal one. I don’t believe any animal should be tortured or live in inhumane conditions. I also don’t think they should be shot up full of hormones to make them grow bigger, faster. I don’t want my kids to “blossom” when they’re 8 yrs old because there are hormones in their food.

I do like meat. I like to know that the beef I am eating once enjoyed sunshine, and played kiss and chase around the farm. I like to know that my chicken got to fluff her feathers out, and scratch for fat grubs if she wanted to. I know that most animals raised for food live in horrific conditions… and if we buy that meat (or dairy) then we are supporting that. I do NOT support it. Maybe that sounds contradictory… since I eat meat… isn’t be slaughtered “torture”? I think the animal should be killed as humanely as possible. It should not be allowed to suffer. If my only choice was to eat animals who’d lived a horrible existence and then brutally killed, then heck yeah… I’d be a veggie girl all the way.

Oh… and to the person who asked if someone has eaten rooster, (raises hand) I have. And yes he was a tough old bird!!

I don’t believe in needless killing, or allowing the poor animal to suffer. But I also believe God gave us these animals to eat, and I don’t see a darn thing wrong with that. Like I said… I think it’s just a personal choice. Just please choose carefully when you shop.

i used to think that one’s diet was a personal choice. and it is, to some extent. but it’s a personal choice like smoking is a personal choice. if your choices (say, to smoke and breathe SHS) infringe on someone else’s ability to make a different choice (not to smoke, and not to expose oneself to SHS)… it’s not personal at all, it becomes other people’s business.

the extreme demand for meat in america is creating pollution and disease that EVERYONE has to live with. new flu strains, antibiotic resistant infections, air, water, and ground contamination… as well as wastefulness of the resources it takes to produce meat, eggs, and dairy. we all suffer for that, not just people who consume these products.

put delicately, people who consume excessive meat, eggs, and dairy (please note i am saying excessive per USDA nutritional guidelines - most americans), create health hazards for those who choose not to, in much the same way that people who smoke in public indoor places create health hazards for those who don’t smoke. that is why the vegetarians and vegans are getting increasingly “militant” - we’re sick of it (literally!!)

 

[Abbadon]

the truth is, very very few people actually “need” to eat eggs. if we “needed” to eat them i’d have been dead years ago so being poor is not an excuse to eat caged eggs, sorry, try again. if and when the government stops subsidizing animal products and starts making corporations pay for the pollution they create, you will be amazed how much you don’t “need” to eat eggs, too, because the real cost would be out of reach for most people.

but now what really amuses me is that i’ve been reading your posts, the lengths you go to, to hunt meat (pardon me but it seems that hunting, killing, gutting, skinning, butchering, preserving/freezing, and finally cooking those animals is quite a lot of work). then you say LIKE to kill… you enjoy it, just like an animal (but you are human, are you morally superior to animals or not?). so let’s talk about what’s insane and what “lengths” are required to be vegan.

Yes but I love hunting, it brings me great pleasure, even the act of skinning and preserving the hide, I leave the cutting and butchering to my mom and dad. And I am no way near at par with my mothers cooking. Like I said before becoming a vegan would be alot of work for my mother to do, if she were to choose to be vegan we would be eating mainly vegan, but she knows how much we all love our meats so she wouldn’t/

unless you are hopelessly dependent on processed food, it is easier and just as tasty (if not more) to prepare vegan food. it is a nutritionally sound, very natural diet that is part of the solution to animal cruelty, social injustices, and environmental degradation.

Or unless you enjoy the taste of meat.

when people say that being vegan is extreme or difficult, i know that they know nothing about it and have never tried it. when they say that it is anti-catholic or even heretical, i know they have no understanding of their faith. anyone who says this is spiritually stunted, or perhaps just honestly has no clue what the realities are about where their meat, eggs, and dairy come from.

 

[Abbadon]

I can’t seem to find the numbers perhaps one of you vegans would know. How many g of vegetables would you have to eat to equal 500g of beef?

And what plant do you eat to get your Omega 3 from, I’m finding it difficult to find a plant which does?
Unless it’s been genetically modified, which I think is a win, but no doubt most vegans would be holier than thou organic only…

I just realized something rather funny, I eventually want to work in agricultural biotechnology, so the more people that become vegetarians or vegans certainly don’t hurt my desired industry.

But I refuse to let anyone take away my right to eat meat (yummy delicious meats) as my body has evolved to do. I know noone is saying that but the way in which it is spoken seems to tend that if we could ban it we would, sif that I say…

 

[Enigma00]

I hope how we get the food is humane…If we eat animals from death, I hope its healthy, if they kill it, I hope its painless quick not torture it. Also on the animal subject, all these girls in our school have these “ugg” boots or however you say it. The point it uses real fear, and not being racist towards chinese people not saying all do it but I heard in china to get the skin of an animal they take the animal skin(skinned alived) and leave it to rot, now if that is true it is outrageous!Fake fur is the best in my opinion.