Animals You Eat: Bad Meat!

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Michaeljc4 said:
Animal cruelty laws–to the best of my knowledge–don’t apply to large scale factory farms. I could be wrong. With that said, even if there are laws, I am willing to bet that they are either not being evenly enforced, or that the definition of ‘cruelty’ doesn’t include some of common practices one would find in a typical industrial farm. Stuffing chickens into tiny wire cages for their all of their lives, debeaking them, and shooting them full of drugs may not be ‘cruel’ according to the law, for example. I certainly know it happens, on a large scale, across the nation. Moments of research will provide you with the same information that I can find, Sean, so I’ll leave you to it. See what you can turn up.

There are several underlying issues that seem to be sticking in folks’ craws. There are definite regional variations in grocery stores. For example, the meat we buy here (in the Greater Boston Area, as well as other large cities) is produced in other parts of the country, for the most part, in large factory settings. For folks in more rural areas, closer to small farms, it may be that the meat is more humanely produced by local farmers. I just can’t say.

I remember when I lived in Florida and went to a grocery store. There was a ‘Family Pak’ of pig’s ears! I was flabbergasted. How in the h*ll do you eat pig’s ears? And what family needs twenty of them? Same with headcheese…I was astonished that people actually eat things like that! Chitlins, too. G R O S S…to me. To other folks, that’s just what they eat.

I had tofu for dinnery, BTW. 🙂
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correct. if we did to our pets as we do with farmed animals, we’d go to jail. michael vick is living proof. while i agree that he’s a cruel man and deserves to be punished for what he did, it is nothing compared to what is done to factory farmed animals every day, legally.

tofu is a delight if you know how to fix it … LOL it took me some time to figure it out!!
 
It’s kinda wrong to make the poll say “Omnivore like God made me.” Somebody obviously never got past Genesis 1:28!:cool:
ecause in Genesis 1: 29 and 30, it says,"God also said, ‘Look, to you I give all the seed-bearing plants everywhere on the surface of the earth, and all the trees with seed-bearing fruit; this will be your food.
30 And to all the wild animals, all the birds of heaven and all the living creatures that creep along the ground, I give all the foliage of the plants as their food.’ And so it was.

Why do people ignore this? 🤷
 
That_one_guy said:
It’s kinda wrong to make the poll say “Omnivore like God made me.” Somebody obviously never got past Genesis 1:28!:cool:
ecause in Genesis 1: 29 and 30, it says,"God also said, ‘Look, to you I give all the seed-bearing plants everywhere on the surface of the earth, and all the trees with seed-bearing fruit; this will be your food.
30 And to all the wild animals, all the birds of heaven and all the living creatures that creep along the ground, I give all the foliage of the plants as their food.’ And so it was.

Why do people ignore this? 🤷
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I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO POSTED THAT POLL. I started the original thread and this is not about diet (though of course there are obvious connections here). IF YOU WANT THE POLL, FINE but leave off the opinionated part–the UNTRUE/DISPUTABLE part–Omnivore like God made me. God did not create man as an omnivore!!! So if you want the pole then have it OMNIVORE, VEGETARIAN, VEGAN, and OTHER.
 
Sean_Boyle said:
Did she say factory farms? What are you arguing against?? It seems as if an farm is a factory farm to some here. Is that true?
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i think you haven’t read this whole thread sean. factory farms are the focus of this discussion. countering my post by asking what is unethical about a “poultryhouse” is irrelevant if you don’t know what we’re talking about. anyone who doesn’t know what is unethical about a factory farm needs to research it on their own.
 
Marfran said:
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO POSTED THAT POLL. I started the original thread and this is not about diet (though of course there are obvious connections here). IF YOU WANT THE POLL, FINE but leave off the opinionated part–the UNTRUE/DISPUTABLE part–Omnivore like God made me. God did not create man as an omnivore!!! So if you want the pole then have it OMNIVORE, VEGETARIAN, VEGAN, and OTHER.
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whoever it was should have made an option for themselves: “i eat billygoats - because that’s what trolls prefer” 😉
 
JimG said:
Don’t know if anyone’s posted this yet:

youtube.com/watch?v=OSPkVoGx5c4&feature=related
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oh yes. give man the incentive of money and filling his gut with animal flesh and he is suddenly motivated to do what God told him to do in the first place. the video is a good example of what is wrong with our values.

why can’t we just take care of the animals because they are God’s creation and we are supposed to take care of them? :rolleyes:
 
I’m an omnivore. However, I don’t condemn vegetarians and vegans for choosing to eat only vegetables, fruits, and other non-meat/dairy products.
 
Read chapter 14 of St. Paul to the Romans, especially verses 2,3,6,14,20-22.:grouphug:
 
For those of you who have never tried being vegetarian, but are at least interested in what some of us are saying…

Why not give it a whirl on a limited basis? There are many good health reasons, environmental reasons, and ‘mindfulness’ reasons that recommend a more plant based diet. You have nothing to lose, right? Try eating vegetarian one day a week, just to see how it goes. You’ll be amazed at how much you will focus on your diet just by cutting out meat. And on the day that you do it, think about what you are doing as a sacrifice. For the majority of people in the world, meat is a luxury. You are eating in solidarity with the poor. You are denying yourself something that you enjoy in hopes of becoming closer to God, and to God’s dearest, the ‘least of these, my brothers.’ I know I used this analogy elsewhere, but it’s like Lent three times a day. Self-denial is something that’s very much a part of our Catholic faith. Try it and see what you think. I think it’s a powerful spiritual discipline, myself.

You could even take the cost of what you’d normally eat in meat on that day (or perhaps over the course of a month) and donate it to the poor. That’s a cool thing to do.

Just try it. One day a week. See what it’s like. Unless you are a…chicken! (LOL I am so clever…🙂
 
cathybramble said:
i think you haven’t read this whole thread sean. factory farms are the focus of this discussion. countering my post by asking what is unethical about a “poultryhouse” is irrelevant if you don’t know what we’re talking about. anyone who doesn’t know what is unethical about a factory farm needs to research it on their own.
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Would the phase “hen house” or “chicken coop” be less offensive, somehow? It seems as if you have deemed any farm a factory farm by continuing in this same vein. I can’t believe that your argument centers around what you call the building were chickens live in on a farm. How can “chicken coop” be offensive?

Is anyone here arguing for factory farms? Isn’t a discussion a two way street, a sharing of ideals, where is the factory farm contingent in this discussion? Besides the focus of the discussion seems to be veganism. Are you a vegan? Do you believe in veganism?

The focus of the discussion should be “Animals you eat: Bad Meat!”

The animals that I eat aren’t “bad meat” most are grown in the most organic fashion known to man and approved by God. So the premise of your side of this discussion has been disproven. Not all animals eaten are from factory farms. Since the topic doesn’t make an exception for that fact, one must conclude that not all meat is bad meat.
 
cathybramble said:
i think you haven’t read this whole thread sean. factory farms are the focus of this discussion. countering my post by asking what is unethical about a “poultryhouse” is irrelevant if you don’t know what we’re talking about. anyone who doesn’t know what is unethical about a factory farm needs to research it on their own.
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Why is that irrelevant?Poultry houses definitely come under the “large scale” farming definition.They can house thousands of birds.
Re. “research”: Apparently living near poultry houses & knowing good Christian families who run them doesn’t count as knowledge? How many folks who contribute to this thread are involved in agriculture or live in a farming community?Or have any experience raising livestock profitably-as opposed to a hobby?
What is unethical about poultry production?
What constitutes “factory farming” in the first place? How many head of dairy cows makes a “factory dairy”?🤷
I see posts about livestock being “shot full of drugs.” Medications are generally administered to farm animals for the same reason they are given to dogs & cats:to keep them free of parasites & protected from diseases.
 
Sean_Boyle said:
Would the phase “hen house” or “chicken coop” be less offensive, somehow? It seems as if you have deemed any farm a factory farm by continuing in this same vein. I can’t believe that your argument centers around what you call the building were chickens live in on a farm. How can “chicken coop” be offensive?

Is anyone here arguing for factory farms? Isn’t a discussion a two way street, a sharing of ideals, where is the factory farm contingent in this discussion? Besides the focus of the discussion seems to be veganism. Are you a vegan? Do you believe in veganism?

The focus of the discussion should be “Animals you eat: Bad Meat!”

The animals that I eat aren’t “bad meat” most are grown in the most organic fashion known to man and approved by God. So the premise of your side of this discussion has been disproven. Not all animals eaten are from factory farms. Since the topic doesn’t make an exception for that fact, one must conclude that not all meat is bad meat.
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I think that cathybramble’s response was clear - OBVIOUSLY - this discussion is about factory farming - and not taking on what YOU call where the chicken’s live -

If you have access to meat that is not factory farmed, that would be the point. OBVIOUSLY it matters to YOU TOO. Therefore YOU do not seem to find factory farming defensible either, and that is the point
 
hennie said:
Read chapter 14 of St. Paul to the Romans, especially verses 2,3,6,14,20-22.:grouphug:
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Exactly.
Check out St. Peter’s vision from Heaven, too:all sorts of random critters permissible to eat.Straight from God.👍 Unless you think God would mislead us…:rolleyes:
 
Michaeljc4 said:
For those of you who have never tried being vegetarian, but are at least interested in what some of us are saying…

Why not give it a whirl on a limited basis? There are many good health reasons, environmental reasons, and ‘mindfulness’ reasons that recommend a more plant based diet. You have nothing to lose, right? Try eating vegetarian one day a week, just to see how it goes. You’ll be amazed at how much you will focus on your diet just by cutting out meat. And on the day that you do it, think about what you are doing as a sacrifice. For the majority of people in the world, meat is a luxury. You are eating in solidarity with the poor. You are denying yourself something that you enjoy in hopes of becoming closer to God, and to God’s dearest, the ‘least of these, my brothers.’ I know I used this analogy elsewhere, but it’s like Lent three times a day. Self-denial is something that’s very much a part of our Catholic faith. Try it and see what you think. I think it’s a powerful spiritual discipline, myself.

You could even take the cost of what you’d normally eat in meat on that day (or perhaps over the course of a month) and donate it to the poor. That’s a cool thing to do.

Just try it. One day a week. See what it’s like. Unless you are a…chicken! (LOL I am so clever…🙂
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**Fabulous post!!! **:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping: Yes, I think you are right–there are chickens among the human omnivores here!!!
 
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