You twisted your own words, hon. Please continue on your topic of child labor and factory farming. **so when you consume the meat that was raised using child labor, aren’t you contributing to that practice? **Way to support twisting my words beyond context.
You missed this part didn’t you?
I’m not fond of quoting myself for the purpose of redundancy, just so you know.That’s quite a stretch. Not all slaughterhouses use child labor.
i’ve heard of cases where young children were extremely unhealthy on a vegan diet and were wasting away… were brought into court and charged w/ child neglect… and some lost custody of their children… One couples’ child DIED…
nice try trying to divert attention from the primary point…that’s awesome, but you’re doing it in the wrong thread. abortion threads are down the hall and to your left. sounds like you have a lot you could contribute there, so you might wanna go check it out
i wonder what would happen if no one ever killed any animals for food…We all need to do something, no matter how insignificant it may seem. We must all be the change we want to see in the world.rolleyes:how cliche is that?)
i can’t believe the amount of time you environmentalists/vegetarians spend on this issue… when you could be spending your time working on more important problems in the world…animals on factory farms are treated as production units. they are kept in conditions that deprive them of everything that is natural to them, fed antibiotics and pesticides, and food that is not appropriate for them. they live in intensive confinement and very stressful conditions.
large farms also create lots of manure. the manure goes out, untreated into large pits, where it often ends up in the rivers and streams, air, soil, and groundwater. seriously look at what this does
factoryfarm.org/?page_id=19
wages are notoriously low on these factory farms and they often exploit undocumented immigrants too.
a boycott of farming that we feel is unethical is part of the solution… the other part is to get regulatory agencies off their duffs and enforcing laws that protect the community and shared resources.
well sustainable -i like this definition: “the attempt to provide the best outcomes for both human and natural environments both now and in the indefinite future.” obviously, enormous, festering sewer lagoons filled and spilling into water supplies don’t fit that bill.
ethical… well there was a time when animals were raised in environments that provided for at least most their natural needs. nesting materials, straw to lay on, room to spread their wings or turn around, adequate exercise and grazing/proper food. industrial farming denies them all of this, and because of cramped quarters, they have to be “modified” without anesthetic, and fed antibiotics to keep them in reasonable health. chickens have been genetically modified in harmful ways too - they grow so large so fast, that their little legs can’t support them, and their internal organs fail. turkeys have to be artificially inseminated because they carry too much breast meat to reproduce naturally.
now if you’re caring properly for your animals, they are healthy and don’t need antibiotics or hormones to make them grow or produce. you’ll also need more workers, and you need to keep them around… so you pay them a fair wage. since you’re not putting 10,000 animals into a single shed, you don’t have to pump out tons of raw sewage into open pits for the rest of the community to deal with.
you will probably note, the vegetarian/vegan movement did not take off until factory farms took over family farms and the truth about them started come out. that is because most people are satisfied with humane treatment of farmed animals in settings that aren’t toxic to the public, and don’t exploit workers. the longer factory farming goes on, the more momentum is gained by the veg movement - and incidents like this latest flu epidemic and continued destruction of the environment are fueling the trend.
ultimately what i see is that the meat eaters will cause their own meat eating demise by keeping these places open and profiting. there will be a deadly flu, or lots of deaths from antibiotic resistant e. coli, or contaminated water. and when that happens, it will be a crisis, and there will suddenly be a host of new laws and regulations, most of them probably pretty stupid, in an attempt to correct the situation. the excess we live in right now can’t end in any other way if people don’t start curbing their appetites for animal based foods.
if you are so confirmed in your beliefs that eating meat is bad (etc, etc) why are YOU always joining in?lei
eating pork… but tonight i think i’ll do beef for a change…Cracker Mom: You should change your name to The Mad Lady !!! How fun is that!!! I’m lovin’ it!!!
Crack M: Please don’t take that the wrong way. I love everybody. Even the mad ones!!!
Boy, it’s quiet here today. You could hear a pin drop. Everybody must be eating.
Please note that I made no such accusation. All I said (and will say again) is that the Church has spoken on this issue: there is nothing morally objectionable about eating meat. Period.
Thank you, sir.(or ma’am, if that is the case)
I never said one could be passionate about only one thing. I am passionate about multiple issues as well.Thank you so much getting it… is there a forum on the felt banners, I might weigh in on that! Peace,
remember the bad tomatoes of a few months back??
NIcely done, Dante, but you will never convince the morally superior grazers.
I couldn’t have said it better myself…We make Chinese food with tofu, and I’ve learned a so much about vegan cooking from my Chinese friends who have taught me about ‘wheat meat’ — made with wheat gluten - so, I am sure you can learn too!
I am not really sure why you are posting on this forum (and in such a confusingway) the point of this was to discuss the way animals are raised for food, perhaps you didn’t understand that. I would suggest you go back to the original post and watch the video - if you have something to contribute based upon that please do.
Well aware? And yet, the passage I quoted explicitly says it is acceptable to eat meat – this should end the debate.
a good Catholic sees that abortion is still legal… and works on THAT because there is SO much work that needs to be done… so much that s/he doesn’t have TIME for
You are free to eat what ever yo u like. You are missing the point. It is nit about the eating of meat. It is about the filthy disease ladde biohazards called factory farms which we are trying to discuss. ut, some one always has to come in and change the subject to meat eating. WHY!Well tofu isn’t the only Chinese dish out there. You have stuff like dimsum, wonton noodles, meat pao (over here we call them siopao). I read that the Cantonese tradition of Chinese cuisine is very heavy with using meat.
Well for one, the link’s been busted. Two, a fair number of posts seem to have been done with humor so why can’t I?
But you know, I really can’t stand the taste of most vegetables (or at least the way some people cook them) just as some people can’t stand the taste of sweets. That’s just how it is. When it comes to food, my logic is simple. If it smells good, and furthermore tastes good, then it’s bon appetit, itadakimasu, or simply: DIG IN!! >8D
I can’t really care much for how animals are raised purely because I’m not an animal person (at least as far as real animals go anyways
anyone who disagrees is off topic…We make Chinese food with tofu, and I’ve learned a so much about vegan cooking from my Chinese friends who have taught me about ‘wheat meat’ — made with wheat gluten - so, I am sure you can learn too!
I am not really sure why you are posting on this forum (and in such a confusing
***it’s about how you spend your time…
