Animals You Eat: Bad Meat!

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You are free to eat what ever yo u like. You are missing the point. It is nit about the eating of meat. It is about the filthy disease ladde biohazards called factory farms which we are trying to discuss. ut, some one always has to come in and change the subject to meat eating. WHY!
IT IS NOT ABOUT EATING MEAT PEOPLE!!!

IT IS ABOUT FACTORY FARMS!!!

:blush:sheesh!
That’s not the impression I get when I see a poll questioning someone’s diet and then the OP goes on about how we should think about how the food on our plate ended up there. Then after that, people started coming in with arguments that supported a vegetarian diet. :rolleyes:

Make sure next time that when one starts a thread, they get straight to the point and are ready to shift back to the topic at hand when it starts veering. :tsktsk:
 
I’m actually about two sections back from here. But, it just occurred to me.
If we are successful with our pro life movement and all the babies get to be born. But, we do not pay attention to the conditions of the planet,… what sort of world would they live in?
A filthy disease laden food shortage world. That is the type of world.
Ok. I am going back about twenty posts or so, again.
I love you guys!👍
 
It is for me, especially when people who disagree don’t like it and can’t make a comeback. :rolleyes:

Look I’ve seen enough of how animals gets slaughtered but as cold-hearted I may seem to you, I don’t feel sorry for them. Last time I saw a documentary in a slaughterhouse over here, I felt more sorry for the child laborers those people used.

Also, you forget that God gave man dominion over all creation. We are called to take care of it, but it doesn’t mean we can’t utilize or exploit its resources. There’s a difference between a kid taking care of his toy yet still plays with it and an obsessed geek who doesn’t even take the same toy out of its box for fear of damaging it.
Personally, for me it is about the diseases that are spread from the farms and the wasted resources and the tainted water and food. As well, as the treatment.
And in reality, I don’t think there is such a thing as “humane” slaughter.

“Oh, excuse me Mr. Steer. Do you mind if I slaughter you?”

“Oh, by all means! Please!”

:blush:really?..
 
***it’s about how you spend your time…

helping people or helping animals…

(St Mt 25:31) ***
Being concerned about FACTORY FARMING** is **helping people!!! Human beings are paying a large price for not paying attention to how, and under what conditions their meat is produced, It is absolutely and entirely possible to be an omnivore and to be concerned about factory farming.
 
Personally, for me it is about the diseases that are spread from the farms and the wasted resources and the tainted water and food. As well, as the treatment.
And in reality, I don’t think there is such a thing as “humane” slaughter.

“Oh, excuse me Mr. Steer. Do you mind if I slaughter you?”

“Oh, by all means! Please!”

:blush:really?..
I don’t know man. I think there’s something really wrong when people equate real animals with those you see in Disney movies. :nope:

My neighbor’s front yard is my store’s back yard and he just lets his chickens roam wherever they please. I’ve got nothing against him but since the current weather here forces one to open doors to cool off the heat, those chickens tend to “wander” at times. There was one time where they managed to even get behind the counter! :mad:

Chickens: Bukbukbuk! pecks floor

Me: Shoo!! Git!! RAAAWWWRR!!! D8< chases them out

Chickens: Bakuuuuuuuk!!! :eek: scatters

Me: heaves D8<

P.S.

As for the meat in factories. Well, I leave that up to you. I’m not fond of factories putting unhealthy stuff in food anyways. However, I’m not letting anybody stop me if someone here starts saying I’m a cold-hearted murderer just cuz I enjoy a good meaty stew if you know what I mean.
 
RE: member: **distracted **
I viewed your profile. Over 6000 posts and you havent made any friends. Why is that?
Oh. You are on my ignore list. So I cannot see your posts unless I switch it on. That makes it easier to ,…well,… IGNORE YOU!!!
**Well, that is an eye opener!!! Over 6,000 posts and no friends!!! What do you have against people, **distracted???
 
RE: member: **distracted **
That one guy;5209825:
I viewed your profile. Over 6000 posts and you havent made any friends. Why is that?
Oh. You are on my ignore list. So I cannot see your posts unless I switch it on. That makes it easier to ,…well,… IGNORE YOU!!!
**Well, that is an eye opener!!! Over 6,000 posts and no friends!!! What do you have against people, **distracted???

**Well, that is an eye opener!!! Over 6,000 posts and no friends!!! What do you have against people, **distracted??? You carry on about people–but have no human friends. That speaks volumes. Maybe that’s why yor’re so angry??? Maybe it’s not that we’re paying attention to “animals” here–but that you need someone to pay attention to YOU??? You are posting here because that is the only way that you can get someone to pay attention to YOU???

Well, I am extending my hand in friendship to you. You can accept it, or slap it away.
 
if you are so confirmed in your beliefs that eating meat is bad (etc, etc) why are YOU always joining in?lei
honestly, to have a respectful discussion of the issues of factory farming, the impact of factory farming on limited resources and the environment and how that resonates with my understanding of Catholic Social Teaching and faith. 🙂
 
i’ve heard of cases where young children were extremely unhealthy on a vegan diet and were wasting away… were brought into court and charged w/ child neglect… and some lost custody of their children… One couples’ child DIED…
25% of young children today are obese and bordering on type 2 diabetes from eating the typical american diet. unfortunately nobody thinks there is anything wrong with that.

there are many vegan/vegetarian, and flexitarian children in the world who are extremely healthy.
 
That’s quite a stretch. Not all slaughterhouses use child labor. :rolleyes: Heck let’s take this even further, how do you know your neighborhood wasn’t once an American Indian burial ground? :rolleyes:

Ummmm - how is that a stretch?
Lets take this as a liner thought -
  1. You said that you saw that in slaughter houses they used child labor
  2. You said you like to eat meat
  3. When you eat meat you therefore are contributing to child labor.
As for the American Indian burial ground - you will have to explain if that was humor or had some connection to this discussion because I can’t make the connection.
Lost Wanderer;5209554:
Then explain to me why meat tastes good, why it’s been part of the human diet for centuries, and why chickens are otherwise the most useless birds in the animal kingdom if not for their role in my breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I’m all for quoting Bible verses but make sure your interpretations of them are compatible with reality.

I can see where people can use cows for plowing and milk but I can’t say the same for the likes of pigs, chickens, turkeys, lobsters, crabs etc. And if you’re going to suggest using them as pets, not everybody’s a pet person (including me). Pigs rival skunks on my list of smelliest animals in the world and the only fun I get out of chickens is by scaring the bejeezus out of 'em. That’s why I call 'em CHICKENS!! Bukbukbukbuk!! 😛
I think it taste good because you are used to eating it. I make a lot of food that uses ‘fake meat’ - it isn’t about the taste, but about the source. So I can make food using tofu, wheat gluten, textured vegetable protein and make it taste like meat.

If you are trying to be funny with all the rest of the stuff, honestly it isn’t coming across that way - humor is hard to do when just typing - hard to hear the tone - so - hope you will take my response in the spirit it is offered.
 
Well aware? And yet, the passage I quoted explicitly says it is acceptable to eat meat – this should end the debate.

Priorities:

Ending abortion – numero uno

Stopping global warming? Let’s prove it first.
Commit to sustainable development, fight global warming, Vatican tells U.N.
5/15/2006

Catholic Online (www.catholic.org)
UNITED NATIONS (Catholic Online) – The international community must commit to sustainable resource management policies that place the needs of the human family and protection of the environment above commercial and industrial concerns, the Vatican’s representative to the United Nations told a May 11 session of the U.N. Economic and Social Council’s Commission on Sustainable Development here.
catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=19830

Protect God’s creation: Vatican issues new green message for world’s Catholics

· Pope addresses climate change conference
· US church leaders lobby Bush on global warming
guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/27/catholicism.religion

Global Warming Skeptics Have Friend in the Vatican

Wednesday, December 12, 2007
foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316629,00.html
Saving animals from the slaughterhouse? Not even close since the Church permits it.
Priorities, friend.
Where will the babies live? What will they eat?Think aout it. If all the food and water is polluted,… if all the land is used up from feeding food that could feed people…
It is simple logistics.
Peace,
Dante
*EDIT:*With respect, it’s entirely possible that you find yourself “sounding like a broken record” despite the fact that you are repeating a position that is indefensible. That you are saying the same thing over and over and over again does not lend it credence.
Yeah. I get a little irritated. I realize that I am not say ing it to the same person everytime, either. I don’t believe that what I am sayig is without merit.It is just falling on closed minds.
 
That’s not the impression I get when I see a poll questioning someone’s diet and then the OP goes on about how we should think about how the food on our plate ended up there. Then after that, people started coming in with arguments that supported a vegetarian diet. :rolleyes:

Make sure next time that when one starts a thread, they get straight to the point and are ready to shift back to the topic at hand when it starts veering. :tsktsk:
The poll was put there after words by a thread highjacker and antagonist.
 
nice try trying to divert attention from the primary point…:rolleyes:

animals are not created in God’s image; people are and so, why are we wasting time on animal’s rights when so many humans don’t have any.?
do you walk up to random people on the street, interrupt their conversations, and tell them that their discussion is not worthy because it isn’t about making life better for humans? and if they don’t start talking about what you think is worthy, do you jump up and down, insult them, and scream about abortion? because that is what you’re doing here.
 
I don’t know man. I think there’s something really wrong when people equate real animals with those you see in Disney movies. :nope:

My neighbor’s front yard is my store’s back yard and he just lets his chickens roam wherever they please. I’ve got nothing against him but since the current weather here forces one to open doors to cool off the heat, those chickens tend to “wander” at times. There was one time where they managed to even get behind the counter! :mad:

Chickens: Bukbukbuk! pecks floor

Me: Shoo!! Git!! RAAAWWWRR!!! D8< chases them out

Chickens: Bakuuuuuuuk!!! :eek: scatters

Me: heaves D8<

P.S.

As for the meat in factories. Well, I leave that up to you. I’m not fond of factories putting unhealthy stuff in food anyways. However, I’m not letting anybody stop me if someone here starts saying I’m a cold-hearted murderer just cuz I enjoy a good meaty stew if you know what I mean.
A little off topic. But, I used to raise chickens. Rhode Island Reds. I was picking up straw for the hen house one day and a rooster Jet Li-ed me right in the face. He cut my lip and and scratched my throat! This was efore I went Vegan. Guess what I had for dinner that night?😛
A rhode Island red rooster is about the size of a turkey.
 
do you walk up to random people on the street, interrupt their conversations, and tell them that their discussion is not worthy because it isn’t about making life better for humans? and if they don’t start talking about what you think is worthy, do you jump up and down, insult them, and scream about abortion? because that is what you’re doing here.
:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:
 
So, while the Church teaches that it is “contrary to human dignity” to mistreat animals or cause them unneeded suffering, she also makes it clear that we are not to divert resources or passion to animals and their well-being that ought to be used for the well-being of humans, whose dignity is far above that of animals.

Peace,
Dante

EDIT:
4elise:

This is the very definition of choosing a private interpretation of Scripture over that of the Church, whose instructions do not include a requirement to avoid eating animals.
Pope Benedict XVI has stated that human “dominion” over animals does not justify factory farming. While head of the Roman Catholic Church’s Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the future pope condemned the “industrial use of creatures, so that geese are fed in such a way as to produce as large a liver as possible, or hens live so packed together that they become just caricatures of birds.” This “degrading of living creatures to a commodity” seemed to him “to contradict the relationship of mutuality that comes across in the Bible.” ----
 
The poll was put there after words by a thread highjacker and antagonist.
Is that so? I didn’t know you could do that. 🤷
Just make sure nobody starts flaming meat lovers either. I’m all for making factories clean and sanitary and all but that’s no reason to start fights about diet. -.-;;
A little off topic. But, I used to raise chickens. Rhode Island Reds. I was picking up straw for the hen house one day and a rooster Jet Li-ed me right in the face. He cut my lip and and scratched my throat! This was efore I went Vegan. Guess what I had for dinner that night?😛
A rhode Island red rooster is about the size of a turkey.
stomach growls

Aaaaand I think I’ll be getting off this thread for a while. Being the night shift dude here (yes I am actually typing this at 3:29 am), it’s not easy to find/make a quick meal right now. As a result, I tend to be rather… ravenous at meal times. >.>;;
 
i’ve heard of cases where young children were extremely unhealthy on a vegan diet and were wasting away… were brought into court and charged w/ child neglect… and some lost custody of their children… One couples’ child DIED…
I read that story too. I’ve also read about many parents to have fed their children fast food that has lead to diabetes, obesity, -----

A parent has a tremendous responsibility to care for the blessed child in their care. Raising healthy vegan children is not hard, people do it all the time. It takes education, just like those parents who need to learn not to give their kids all fast food, never seeing a veggie or a piece of fruit - or getting off the sofa to play outside ----
 
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