Anne Rice: Catholic Church is "dishonorable...dishonest...an immoral church..."

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Roy5 said:
Did I read or hear that Anne Rice has a homosexual son or daughter?

My experience is that many parents change their views when they discover that one of their children is gay. This is a result of their unconditional love, and I don’t fault it. I might feel the same way in a similar situation. Anne Rice may go overboard, but I think we should beware of judging her with too much bitterness. She did, after all, return to the Catholic Church after being away for many years. We hailed her upon her return and headlined that return.

The Catholic Church needs to work through its views on gays and come up with a less harsh homophobic position. There seems to be evidence that a high proportion of the Catholic clergy is gay - most of the sex predators victimized teen boys, I believe. Most of those gay priests probably are celibate, and some probably were attracted to the priesthood as a possible ‘cure’ as well as a hiding place for their sexual orientation. Be that as it may, the image of the Catholic Church today is that it is aggressively homophobic, and that should change.
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Thank you so much for telling our church what it should and shouldn’t do. NEEEEXXXXT!!!
 
Roy5 said:
Did I read or hear that Anne Rice has a homosexual son or daughter?

My experience is that many parents change their views when they discover that one of their children is gay. This is a result of their unconditional love, and I don’t fault it. I might feel the same way in a similar situation. Anne Rice may go overboard, but I think we should beware of judging her with too much bitterness. She did, after all, return to the Catholic Church after being away for many years. We hailed her upon her return and headlined that return.

The Catholic Church needs to work through its views on gays and come up with a less harsh homophobic position. There seems to be evidence that a high proportion of the Catholic clergy is gay - most of the sex predators victimized teen boys, I believe. Most of those gay priests probably are celibate, and some probably were attracted to the priesthood as a possible ‘cure’ as well as a hiding place for their sexual orientation. Be that as it may, the image of the Catholic Church today is that it is aggressively homophobic, and that should change.
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I think that image is a stereotype-that the Church is aggressively homophobic. Sure there are individuals within the Church who are unsympathetic and offensive in their discussions of gays but that does not represent authentic Catholicism.

The teachings on the Church regarding homosexual acts are not going to change and cannot, but some Catholics could be more merciful and less judgmental of those who act on those inclinations.

However, the Church can’t say something is not sinful when it is. They can’t pretend that people are married when they are not. Those two things are probably the reason for a lot of the anger directed to the Church–not so much the bad example of some Catholics. Today you can’t think homosexual acts are sinful and that gay marriage is not a real marriage without being labeled as a homophobe.
 
Sailor Kenshin called her nuts and I got to agree that she is at the very least emotionally unstable. I think all those years she involved herself with the occult,glorifying witches and vampires took their toll on hers soul. I was glad to hear she returned to the Church, and now she let the deceiver cloud her mind again,.I don`t think her comments are going to have much of an effect on true Catholics though.
 
Religion_Ninja said:
I am dumbfounded by some of the comments about the church being dishonest and immoral. It seems pretty bigoted to make such generalizations. How can someone go to hating the Church so quickly? I don’t think she understood the nature of the Church or christian anthropology.

Like I said, very sad. We can only pray for her.
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I think you are on to something - I am willing to charitably assume she is merely (gravely) ignorant rather than bigoted. Of course those are not mutually exclusive.😦

I think Archbishop Sheen said it best. There are not a hundred people in America who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions of people who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church — which is, of course, quite a different thing.
 
Religion_Ninja said:
Thats sad. To go from a fallen away Catholic to atheist then back home. Only to leave again.

I am dumbfounded by some of the comments about the church being dishonest and immoral. It seems pretty bigoted to make such generalizations. How can someone go to hating the Church so quickly? I don’t think she understood the nature of the Church or christian anthropology.

Like I said, very sad.

We can only pray for her.
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I basically agree with this.👍

Ultimately, this is a case of folks Mistaking “What Makes Me Feel Good” for Truth.

Another Poster called it “Misplaced Compassion” for her Son. I tend to feel this is more along the lines of a Mother Having Unconditional Love For Her Son. And I can sort of understand where She is coming from with that.

Still, the Truth is the Truth, and Moral Relativism is NOT a Substitute for It.

I don’t Hate Her or Think She Is Crazy-------Just think She is VERY Angry, Uninformed Regarding Church Teaching, and VERY Misguided and under the Usual Influence Of The Moral Relativism And Secularism Pervading our Society these Days. She and Her Son are in My Prayers. 👍
 
She woke up from a coma and went back to church.

If you read her book, she was on a nostalgia trip, made some money off of that, and now is trashing the church based on her viewpoint, while cashing in on the vampire craze.

She still seems tormented by all that she has been through, but I think she threw the baby out with the bathwater.

She never answered my question about talking to a priest or having a supportive faith community. She was really, really caught up in clergy sex abuse scandal, seeking it out and then using every bit of information to attack the Church.
 
This woman is doing more good for the Church by simply being outside of it, than she could have done in one hundred years of soup kitchen service and parish book signings.

She is exactly the sort of celebrity that the NYT might ‘consult’ when they needed an example of vocal critics within our Church.

Yet more muddled logic for those who oppose the Church, and nothing of value is lost.
 
Religion_Ninja said:
Thats sad. To go from a fallen away Catholic to atheist then back home. Only to leave again.

I am dumbfounded by some of the comments about the church being dishonest and immoral. It seems pretty bigoted to make such generalizations. How can someone go to hating the Church so quickly? I don’t think she understood the nature of the Church or christian anthropology.

Like I said, very sad.

We can only pray for her.
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I think a large part of what caused here to return to the church was her fond memories of the prevatican II church. She may be one of the many who returned in this way just to to findout how things have been ruined. Instead of complaining she should work to restore the church.
 
I don’t know about that. I think somebody who has such radical ideas wouldn’t look fondly on pre-Vatican II. I would think she would embrace Vatican II. 🤷
 
To Anne Rice

Thanks Anne for calling me a sophist, a homophobe, an immoral and dishonorable person!
Fortunately you dont even know who I or any of us are and yet you have the nerve to label our church so!

Thanks Anne for slandering the holy priesthood as being overwhelmingly sexually disordered. Fortunately you could not even know anything about even 0.1% of the priesthood

Thanks Anne for trying out catholicism, for selling all your possessions to the poor and following Jesus, and for your marthyrdom!
Its obviously put you in a position to judge Christ and his church.

I’ll finish with the sarcasm. I couldnt care less what you think about any human. You can slander all you like. However I would worry about yourself and your soul.
Anne, if you had any sense you would put on sackcloth, rub ashes into your skin and tear out your hair in sorrow for your ill-chosen words.

You should get down on your knees and beg forgiveness and never open your mouth judgementally in public again!
 
I never read her vampire books, but I did really enjoy reading Christ the Lord: The Road to Cana. I guess her fall from Christianity means the 3rd book in the Christ the Lord trilogy will probably never be finished. If she does write it, I wouldn’t be surprised if the latent theology in the book is tainted by her renunciation of Catholicism and its teachings. It’s too bad. 😦

As for her leaving the faith, I feel sorry for her and I’ll remember her in my prayers.
 
Maeglin said:
I never read her vampire books, but I did really enjoy reading Christ the Lord: The Road to Cana. I guess her fall from Christianity means the 3rd book in the Christ the Lord trilogy will probably never be finished. If she does write it, I wouldn’t be surprised if the latent theology in the book is tainted by her renunciation of Catholicism and its teachings. It’s too bad. 😦

As for her leaving the faith, I feel sorry for her and I’ll remember her in my prayers.
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Once you’re Catholic then you’re Catholic ad aeternum.
“You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.”
  • The Eagles’ “Hotel California”
 
1holycatholic said:
Once you’re Catholic then you’re Catholic ad aeternum.
“You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.”
  • The Eagles’ “Hotel California”
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The quote is nice on two levels. It reflects the tuth of your first statement. And we all know what that lyric is really about. :eek:
 
Roy5 said:
Did I read or hear that Anne Rice has a homosexual son or daughter?

My experience is that many parents change their views when they discover that one of their children is gay. This is a result of their unconditional love, and I don’t fault it. I might feel the same way in a similar situation. Anne Rice may go overboard, but I think we should beware of judging her with too much bitterness. She did, after all, return to the Catholic Church after being away for many years. We hailed her upon her return and headlined that return.

The Catholic Church needs to work through its views on gays and come up with a less harsh homophobic position. There seems to be evidence that a high proportion of the Catholic clergy is gay - most of the sex predators victimized teen boys, I believe. Most of those gay priests probably are celibate, and some probably were attracted to the priesthood as a possible ‘cure’ as well as a hiding place for their sexual orientation. Be that as it may, the image of the Catholic Church today is that it is aggressively homophobic, and that should change.
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I could not disagree more, with just about everything here. What I have found instead is that:

(1) Catholic parents with a child who has declared himself or herself to be homosexual often do “turn” on the Church, rejecting the Church for the moral teaching itself. Never once have I heard such parents say, "I understand what the teaching is, and agree to it as a Catholic; I just wish the Church were “less harsh” or “less homophobic.” Rather, such parents – when they do turn away – become exacty like Anne Rice in their thinking.

(2) When you scratch the surface, these parents (by their own admission) were always questioners, of key doctrines and dogmas in the Church (Like Anne Rice.) I am limiting my observations, as many as they are, to parents I personally know or who have made it a point to make my acquaintaince. Naturally I cannot speak for the full population of parents of homosexual children; OTOH, there are such here on CAF, and many of them do not have the views Anne Rice (and parents of my acquaintaince do), because these parents first of all understand the teachings of the Church, and second of all accept those.

(3) My children are not homosexual, but I have thought about what my reaction would likely be. I would be extremely sad, first of all. Yet I know the difference between unconditional love and unconditional approval of behavior. A radical difference. These are two completely different things. Right now I disapprove of the (non-sexual) behaviors of one of my children; I also disagree with some of her conclusions about religion. That doesn’t mean my love for her is any less unconditional than it was at her birth. It’s possible to thoroughly embrace someone but not state approval of their choices, nor internally approve, nor "campaign’ for a Church to change so that one’s loved one will feel more comfortable.

I also have friends whose lifestyles are in contradiction to teachings of the RCC. But they’ve been my friends forever and I love them, also, unconditionally. It’s not my role to correct or judge them, particularly if they don’t follow my religion, or have in personal prerogative left the Catholic faith. I will say that I have “corrected” and “disapproved” twice in my life of the behaviors, or intended behaviors, of two adult friends I have known since youth, when the behaviors being done or contemplated had extreme consequences. In both cases I dissuaded them from engaging in further immorality, but I didn’t do so on “Catholic” grounds. I did so based on universally moral grounds which they could relate to.

I have a male friend who is gay, who is part of our extended family, and I love him, also, unconditionally. He’s an atheist. We don’t discuss his private life. I have a relative who has exhibited bi-sexual behaviors in the past but is now single. I love him unconditionally, too. The Catholic Church’s teachings do not prevent me from loving either of these men unconditionally, and they don’t prevent anyone else from doing likewise.
 
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