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since the pastor was not willing to speak clearly with the man.
You know this how? Do you work for the parish and have access to this priest’s schedule?

Just think for a moment about the average priest.

I selected one, random Diocese in the US

http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/diocese/ddesm.html

Des Moines, Iowa

In 2016 this Diocese contained 113,797 Catholics.

There were 99 priests across 80 parishes. There are 17 Catholic Schools, so, at least 17 of those priests have schools to care for, that in itself is almost a full time job! (source Catholic Schools Near Me: Diocese Of Des Moines School ) Some of these priests work full time at the Diocese, some will be sick or on vacation/retreat. A logical average is 1,387 Catholics per priest.

We will assume half of them are married or have some sort of other problem in their lives.

693 Catholics who need some sort of pastoral guidance.

There are 17 Catholic Schools, so, at least 17 of those priests have schools to care for, that in itself is almost a full time job! (source Catholic Schools Near Me: Diocese Of Des Moines School )

Considering that Priests are going to have a minimum 2 hours per day between praying the Office and saying Mass, general parish administration (another full time job in a medium to large sized parish), meetings, hospital/emergency calls for the dying. The men do need to sleep, have some time just for normal human stuff, how many hours each week does the average priest now have to be a full time marriage counselor?
 
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I think that the pastor would have been willing to talk with us but it may not have been as effective as the therapist. Priests have a very religious and jam packed life and the therapist is a very strong Catholic and was recommended by the priest who married us (though for family reasons)

I am thankful to God for putting this therapist in our lives as he has had years of study in all types of issues and psychological ones as well. We all have a calling to help others where we can and this therapist has definitely helped us through his vocation/career.
 
I’m glad for the therapist to have more concern for your marriage. I’m not disappointed in the therapist.

It doesn’t matter what we think will be more effective. A pastor should convey the faith for married couples as best as he can and let God work in hearts.

Peace to you and your Marriage
 
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Asperger’s is not a matter of faith. Grave sexual sin is. Asperger’s may lessen, or even remove, one’s culpability, but the sin is still occurring, and causing the harm typical of grave sin. Even someone with a Asperger’s can understand this and should be told.
Yes, dealing with the Asperger’s is the priority, but that does not mean this is not a matter of faith and mirals.
 
You know this how?
The OP has spoken with the priest about these issues. She related how this husband repeatedly disagreed with her about making time for intimacy! If he did not invite the husband to speak with him, and express the Catholic faith about Marital intimacy, but referred him to talk to a therapist, then that is definitely being unwilling.
 
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The OP has spoken with the priest about these issues. She related how this husband repeatedly disagreed with her about making time for intimacy! If he did not invite the husband to speak with him, and express the Catholic faith about Marital intimacy, but referred him to talk to a therapist, then that is definitely being unwilling.
Or pointing them to someone who he feels is more qualified to help them.
 
He is (or should be) the most qualified and responsible person to relate the Catholic faith first, then in addition to his admonishment, he can refer them to counselors and therapists, who would help him honor the Catholic faith.
 
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Does Aspergers prevent one from believing sexual intimacy is a part of Marriage (unless both prefer abstinence)?
No, it doesn’t, at least not directly. What Asperger’s does is make you react the way that was described, i.e. fail to see problems most people see, perhaps see problems most people don’t, basically be different and incorrigible, and have such reactions as e.g. the ‘boxing out’ the therapist mentioned. And in some cases it can lead to at least the appearance of being cruel and manipulative. It can also make interacting with others difficult or complicated for you. Awkwardness or fear of rejection may be involved, which are by the way rather logical explanations, or something irrational could be involved too (although ‘Aspies’ tend to stay on the logical side and even be hyperlogical).

There are likely to be some other issues at play (especially given a troubled childhood), which is why the entire content of the husband’s behaviour doesn’t seem to all be exhaustively described by Asperger’s. Notably the aversion to sex would be coming from elsewhere and the Asperger’s only affecting the way of (non-)handling the problem.

For the sake of clarity, since canon law and potential nullity has already been mentioned — while marriages need to be presumed valid, the facts here described match very closely those that lead to a finding of nullity in ecclesiastical courts (‘tribunals’). Vestigial ability to overcome the aversion, let’s say force oneself to have sex once a year, doesn’t mean the aversion isn’t there or isn’t sufficient for a finding of nullity under canon 1095(3) (psychic incapacity to assume the duties of marriage). And problems less serious than warranting a finding of psychic incapacity (which does need to be incapacity and not just difficulty) can still be serious enough for a finding of fraud under canon 1098 if the aversion is concealed from one’s future spouse to wheedle the consent. A lot more things fall under canon 1098 than the usual incapacities and simulations, but what canon 1098 takes is proving that some sort of malicious deceit took place in order to obtain the consent, and that is not quite easy to prove (although not impossible by any means).

This is off-topic, but I would use this occasion to encourage those who are considering marriage and who know they have serious problems to be open about those issues with their prospective spouse and specifically not withhold the information out of fear the prospective spouse would walk out. The entire point is that those folks have the right to walk out and deceitfully depriving them of that right invalidates the marriage — it’s actually their consent that is invalid, not the consent of the person who deceived them. Extorting or tricking out the consent is pointless because no valid consent will be given if extortion or serious deceit is involved. Might as well quit trying and just be open about whatever problems one may have. The prospective spouse deserves this anyway.
 
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I’m happy the husband has come to his senses, though. Still, I hope it wasn’t only because of the threat of the marriage ‘ending’. Whatever issues were underlying the problem still need working out. If they didn’t, the logical result would be that the husband had intentionally whimsically withheld sex from the wife all that time, and that would be of course put his character in a very bad light, but it would also be an absurd and very improbable conclusion. There are some serious issues there that it makes little point speculating about the precise nature and cause of (including because processing all those scenarios could cause resentment, anxiety and fear, as some of the ideas could ‘stick’), and they need to be addressed and worked out. Fortunately, the counsellor is doing just that and quite competently, it seems.
 
This is off-topic, but I would use this occasion to encourage those who are considering marriage and who know they have serious problems to be open about those issues with their prospective spouse and specifically not withhold the information out of fear the prospective spouse would walk out. The entire point is that those folks have the right to walk out and deceitfully depriving them of that right invalidates the marriage — it’s actually their consent that is invalid, not the consent of the person who deceived them. Extorting or tricking out the consent is pointless because no valid consent will be given if extortion or serious deceit is involved. Might as well quit trying and just be open about whatever problems one may have. The prospective spouse deserves this anyway.
Standing ovation.

This is a reason it is important to listen if your friends and family see red flags because love can be blind, deaf, and unable to smell 🙂
 
Your husband has very serious psycho-sexual problems. I think you need to consult a very experienced psychiatrist or psychotherapist and ask their advice as to whether these issues can be fixed. Your husband obviously refuses to see he has problems. He has denied you your marriage rights from the get-go and has said he thinks sex is disgusting. He seems to be very unhealthily attached to his mother. I am so sorry this has happened to you.
 
Hello Jen. This is my first post, as I saw your post and felt as if I was reading a note from my younger self. Your story is my story, from the honeymoon, to the mother-in-law; from the hurt, to the anger, to the despair. The first reason for no intimacy was religious convictions. Then it was because he was stressed out at work; then because I hadn’t met his demands for the type of house to keep, the type of lingerie to wear; then because I had the lights on and he wanted them off; then because it was a Monday and not a Friday, then because it was a Friday and not a Sunday.

It took years for me to realize that maybe it wasn’t me who had the problem; that no matter how many of my husband’s requests were met, I would always be given some new excuse as to why we couldn’t have sex. We met with multiple counselors, within the church and outside of it, and whenever the counselor would finally see through the excuses and focus on my husband, he would declare that I somehow manipulated the counselor and he would quit going. We would have to find another counselor, and the cycle would start all over again.

Nothing fixed this situation, because my husband has no desire to fix it. He is not swayed by threats of me leaving, he does not seem to believe that withholding sex is a sin, and tells me he can show me that he loves me in other ways, disregarding that I would also like physical intimacy.

We have been married 15 years now, and I have spent 13 of them angry for what I viewed as the ultimate deception. I believed he knew all along that he had no intention of having sex with me, and wanted a wife so he looked “normal” to everyone on the outside. Then one day I stumbled upon an article about asexuality. Everything in this article pointed to my husband. I saw our situation in a new light, and I was able to approach him and discuss it without anger. The more my husband learned about it, the more he opened up to me. He was able to talk to me about the fact that he does not care for certain physical contact. He does not like kissing, sensual touching, or sex. He does like holding hands, holding me in bed. I no longer believe he tricked me into marrying him - I truly believe he didn’t realize there was anything different about him from a heterosexual man with sexual desires.

I’m sorry that I don’t have any answers for you, as it is not easy at all. But having that anger off my back, and having a mutual understanding of where my husband is coming from has helped our relationship immensely, even though we are a work-in-progress. I don’t know if I would have stayed with him if I could do it all over again (I also ended up pregnant after one time having sex, so I stayed for my child). If you are serious about trying to work it out though, please don’t tell him there is something wrong with him, and that it’s not normal. If there IS something wrong with him, the counselor will uncover it, and your husband can hear it from them. It may be that there is nothing wrong with him at all, and that is just who he is as a person.

I don’t know if we can send PMs on this site, but if you’d like to talk privately feel free to contact me.
 
Hi Wallflower,
Thank you for the post. I sent you a PM which should show up on the top right corner of your screen by the W and you can click on it.
 
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