Annulment question if not married in the church, and not while in the church

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i know for a fact that my first marriage (which took place 28 years ago) would not qualify as a sacramental marriage. it will have to take someone very special to want to have to go through the process of an annulment. i know each situation is different and i have seen the paperwork to be filled out. i think a civil divorce should be recognized and if it was a civil ceremony, it obviously wasn’t a sacramental marriage.
When I went through RCIA in 2006-07, we learned that the church now recognizes most marraiges as valid. As a Protestant, I was married by a Justice of the Peace. We later divorced. However, if I wanted to marry again, I would have to first get an annullment because the church says I was legally married. The stance is that if it is accepted by other churches as a valid marriage, then the Catholic church says an annulment is needed before remarrying.
 
the specific question of OP has been answered, she needs to speak with her pastor. this is not the forum for general discussion of Catholic teaching on marriage and annulment, please take it outside, boys, to the Sacraments forum, where it has been done for you all you have to do is search.
 
Do you understand that Marriage is based on the Natural Law of God, and that it was raised to the level of Sacrament by the Christ? So a non-Sacramental marriage can still be valid, correct?

Doesn’t Jesus explicitly say that divorce is NOT the way it always was? Though diivorce was permitted by God, Jesus asserts that it is not in accord with God’s order. Jesus came to re-instate God’s order. That is why the Catholic Church deplores divorce - because it contradicts the law and order of God.

I also do not understand your statement that you would be willing to leave the Catholic Church just because you don’t want to go through the annulment process. You seem to understand that the Catholic Church is the true Church, but are yet willing to leave it to satisfy a personal desire. While the Eastern Orthodox Church is a good Church, it has departed from Tradition in several important areas, so I would advise not joining it just for the purpose of being able to get married sooner than later.

Since I’ve never gone through the process, and you state you have read the forms, I want to ask you - "Is there any reason you cannot seek an annulment right now? I mean, that way it will be “out of the way” once you finally decide to get married. In truth, I feel bad suggesting this. My personal view is that one should be willing to sacrifice a bit to remain in the Church. I mean, what is one or two years compared to an eternity for your soul?

Blessings
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yes, i could begin the annulment process now. i haven’t gotten into how much it cost, but it has been 28 years since the divorce. a divorce is a death, so who wants to bring up old memories and to me, going through the annulment is going to cause a lot of things to resurface that i had put to rest years ago. frankly, i am not sure i want to have to relive all of that again. it was very painful. they want names of family and friends to question and ask i guess to corroborate what you have said were the reasons for the divorce and why would i want to bother the few friends remaining from those years with the Church contacting them and most of my family is deceased. my divorce was long ago. i have not been in a relationship since. people move on with their lives and the Church should recognize that.
 
yes, i could begin the annulment process now. i haven’t gotten into how much it cost, but it has been 28 years since the divorce. a divorce is a death, so who wants to bring up old memories and to me, going through the annulment is going to cause a lot of things to resurface that i had put to rest years ago. frankly, i am not sure i want to have to relive all of that again. it was very painful. they want names of family and friends to question and ask i guess to corroborate what you have said were the reasons for the divorce and why would i want to bother the few friends remaining from those years with the Church contacting them and most of my family is deceased. my divorce was long ago. i have not been in a relationship since. people move on with their lives and the Church should recognize that.
People around the world risk their very lives to remain true to the Catholic Church founded by Christ. Trust me - I understand emotional pain and the desire not to relive bad events from the past. Forgive me if I sound insensitive. It is not on purpose, I really truly don’t understand why even emotional pain should be enough to leave the Church.

Blessings
 
they want names of family and friends to question and ask i guess** to corroborate what you have said were the reasons for the divorce**… people move on with their lives and the Church should recognize that.
The purpose of the annulment process is not about why you got divorced. The tribunal will investigate what happened before and at the time of your marriage. I was never asked about anything that happened in my marriage, nor about why were decided to get divorced. The questions are generally about each person’s maturity, attitudes, and level of commitment at the time of their marriage.

Yes, people move on, and believe it or not, the annulment process helps that. I understand your not wanting to relive the pain of the “death” of your marriage. But what if, after 28 years, you could experience a total freedom from that “death”? This is what many of my friends expressed after taking the time to fill out the forms and re-examine their choices.

I will be praying for you, dear one. 🙂
the specific question of OP has been answered, she needs to speak with her pastor. this is not the forum for general discussion of Catholic teaching on marriage and annulment, please take it outside, boys, to the Sacraments forum, where it has been done for you all you have to do is search.
Puzzleannie is right – there are many, many threads about this in the Sacraments forum, and this is really where this discussion belongs. Thanks to everyone for their patience with this rather lengthy sidetrip.

Gertie
 
I have a friend who went through the process after being divorced for 30 + years! The longer you wait, the more difficult it is to locate people who can provide the necessary information.

She had initiated the process in times past, but she really didn’t like how personal the questions were and didn’t want to go through it all, either.

However, she finally decided to do it and now she and her husband are married in the eyes of the church (they were married by our priest a day or two after the annulment was granted).

What is funny is that we met and became really close friends through our RCIA classes. Although she had attended mass for years, she was not Catholic and because of this and her civil divorce, her husband could not take communion or participate in other events.

It has made such a difference in her life and all for the better.

I wish you luck and am praying for you.:gopray2:
 
thanks for sharing your own stories. i will just let God guide me in what i should do.
 
i think a civil divorce should be recognized and if it was a civil ceremony, it obviously wasn’t a sacramental marriage.
This statement shows a real lack of understanding regarding Church teaching on marriage.
 
This statement shows a real lack of understanding regarding Church teaching on marriage.
I don’t mean to be rude, but it doesn’t matter what you think. The fact is this: the Catholic church recognizes civil marriages as legitimate, whether by a minister, judge or justice of the peace.
 
I was baptized in the catholic faith but left at 18, I was not married in the catholic church., 20 years later he left for someone else. If I do decide to convert to cathocism, would I need to get that marrage annuled if I were to ever decide to get married again. I do not have any plans to ever be married again. Would I need to get an annulment to take communion?
Usually people speak of “leaving” the Catholic Church or Faith. However they actually never took the specific steps required to formally leave the Catholic Church/Faith. They simply stopped practicing and attending the Catholic Church, this does not mean that they left. Most likely you were still techinically still Catholic the last 20 years. Therefore you most likely did not validly Marry according to Catholic Canon Law. You would need to have the Marriage looked into and determined to be invalid.

You would not need to have this done before returning to the Sacraments, usually only confession is required.
 
I don’t mean to be rude, but it doesn’t matter what you think. The fact is this: the Catholic church recognizes civil marriages as legitimate, whether by a minister, judge or justice of the peace.
I don’t know what you are responding to. 7sorrows said that her marriage was civil so not sacramental. If they were both baptized the marriage is presumed valid and thus sacramental and that’s the teaching 1ke was referring to.
 
I don’t know what you are responding to. 7sorrows said that her marriage was civil so not sacramental. If they were both baptized the marriage is presumed valid and thus sacramental and that’s the teaching 1ke was referring to.
I know it’s confusing. What I meant to say is that it doesn’t matter if the marriage was in the church or not. The Catholic church requires an annulment from a legal marriage and trying to squirm out of getting an annulment by saying it wasn’t sacrimental won’t work. If a person was legally married, he/she must get it annulled in order to marry in the church.

My friends had to do just that so they could get married in the church. They had been married about 28 years and had a grown son, but in order to receive communion, etc, an annulment and then church wedding was required.
 
i am not sure it was God’s plan to have the annulment process. why isn’t a civil divorce enough? i am not promoting multiple marriages and divorces at the drop of a hat, but the Church has changed its mind on some things as was shown in Vatican II. i have even heard some say that Vatican II did not go far enough.
God’s plan is really simple: one man and one woman, for life, no exceptions!

That really is God’s plan.
 
Okay, all this talk has made me wonder about something.

Before converting to Catholicism, I was a Protestant. When I married my (now ex) husband (also a Protestant), he had previously been married and divorced. Now, I know that the Catholic church recognizes most marriages as legal regardless of whether they were performed iin a Catholic church or not.

I am now wondering if the church recognizes my marriage as legal since my Protestant ex husband was divorced, but his first marriage not annulled. Or, is annulment only needed to remarry n the church.

I’m very confused now. Does the church say that because he didn’t have an annulment the first time, that he and his first wife are still married, meaning my marriage isn’t recognized? It’s not really important at this stage at my life, but I am curious.
 
Okay, all this talk has made me wonder about something.

Before converting to Catholicism, I was a Protestant. When I married my (now ex) husband (also a Protestant), he had previously been married and divorced. Now, I know that the Catholic church recognizes most marriages as legal regardless of whether they were performed iin a Catholic church or not.

I am now wondering if the church recognizes my marriage as legal since my Protestant ex husband was divorced, but his first marriage not annulled. Or, is annulment only needed to remarry n the church.

I’m very confused now. Does the church say that because he didn’t have an annulment the first time, that he and his first wife are still married, meaning my marriage isn’t recognized? It’s not really important at this stage at my life, but I am curious.
My understanding is that as two Protestants your marriage was valid. Since you became a Catholic you would now need an annulment to remarry now as a Catholic. Annulment isn’t required for the Protestant party. It seems that the Church doesn’t help new converts which was my point in my first post when referring to my future son in law who had been a pagan and then became Catholic. His first marriage was valid and he’d require an annulment before marrying again.
 
I have not been living in the US since 1964. Can anybody tell me if the Forty Hours Devotion is still held annually in the Churches?
 
My understanding is that as two Protestants your marriage was valid. Since you became a Catholic you would now need an annulment to remarry now as a Catholic. Annulment isn’t required for the Protestant party. It seems that the Church doesn’t help new converts which was my point in my first post when referring to my future son in law who had been a pagan and then became Catholic. His first marriage was valid and he’d require an annulment before marrying again.
That is my thought, also. It does get confusing when mixing up Protestant and Catholic practices.
 
Okay, all this talk has made me wonder about something.

Before converting to Catholicism, I was a Protestant. ** When I married my (now ex) husband (also a Protestant), he had previously been married and divorced. ** Now, I know that the Catholic church recognizes most marriages as legal regardless of whether they were performed iin a Catholic church or not.

I am now wondering if the church recognizes my marriage as legal since **my Protestant ex husband was divorced, but his first marriage not annulled. **Or, is annulment only needed to remarry n the church.
My understanding is that as two Protestants your marriage was valid. Since you became a Catholic you would now need an annulment to remarry now as a Catholic. Annulment isn’t required for the Protestant party. It seems that the Church doesn’t help new converts which was my point in my first post when referring to my future son in law who had been a pagan and then became Catholic. His first marriage was valid and he’d require an annulment before marrying again.
I am speaking here from almost complete ignorance, but I think that the fact your ex-husband had been married before in a Protestant church might, in fact, be a very important factor in determining whether or not your marriage to him was valid. As others here have pointed out, check with a priest or deacon to be sure.

Gertie
 
I am speaking here from almost complete ignorance, but I think that the fact your ex-husband had been married before in a Protestant church might, in fact, be a very important factor in determining whether or not your marriage to him was valid. As others here have pointed out, check with a priest or deacon to be sure.

Gertie
I know. I did get to thinking although I’m not considering remarrying. I am curious however. Since a Protestant marriage is recognized, but a divorce is not, then maybe I was never really married?:eek:😃
 
My husband divorced his wife 17 years ago… Neither of them were Catholic and were married outside of the Chruch.

My husband and I were not married in the Chruch either. He is not a Catholic, but I am. I don’t think I need an annulment do I?

My husband is not Catholic and doesn’t think he did anything wrong in divorcing his wife since he isn’t Catholic and doesn’t want to be. I want to be a practicing Catholic. We are both in our 60’s now and there is no possibility of children.

Am I still in the Chruch or out of it?
 
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