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Zakuska
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Barnaubus is called an Apostle at this same time and Judas had been replaced by Mathias. So we at least have 14 Apostles all at the same time. Its also very possible that the other man who had lost the straw-draw was an APsotle at this time because he accompanies Paul and Barnbus from Jeruslam. So we have possible 15 at the same time. Intrestingly Peter James and John seem to constitute a a quroum of 3 at the churches head then there appears to be 12 under them . So 15 Apostles at the head of the NT church.Did Isaiah “lead” the OT Church? Jeremiah? Daniel perhaps? John the Baptist? No, so then where do you get the idea (aside from Smith) that a “Prophet” must lead Christ’s church as its sole difinitive leader? There is not a single NT in the world that says Christ mandated it…
Also, was Paul, then, not an apostle in your veiw? he certainly was not one of the 12, but definitely considered himself an apostle. Yet, your insistence that there must be 12 Apostles means you cannot consider him to be one, as he would have been #13. But of course, such a point is moot, as your (LDS) concept of what an Apostle is is thouroughly distinct from what it was, and is accepted as by the RCC (and resulting sects as well).
Just because you are willing to accept definitions and positions that you feel support your beleifs, does not make them actually support or provide “evidence” for them.
Same as the LDS.
Moses had this same basic infastructure. 12 representatives over each of the tribes then the 70 elders who accompanied him and the other 2 (Note the 3 in a quroum head at the church of Moses) to the Mount.
Christ also called 70 elders just as Moses had.
Luke 10:1
The structure is the same in the LDS church… and is blindingly missing from the Catholic.
At the Time of Iasiah Jeremiah etc. was not the Church in apostasy? Would we expect to see the structure. Yet when Christ was brought before the Sanhedran there where seventy elders who had been appointed. Again the manifestation of the structure is the same even in this Apostate circumstances.
Even the esseens of DSS fame had twelve elders at their head.