Another Lent thread (specific 'problem')

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I looked and looked and looked and looked and…etc. in the CCC and could not find a thing about fasting on Sundays. What paragraph am I missing? 😛
You probably won’t find it specifically in the CCC. However, what you will find is an explanation of Sunday as the “first of all feast days”, (2174) starting with the section on the Third Commandment. That tells you clearly that Sunday is a feast day.
 
I re-read it three times so please do not disparage me in my reading. Maybe I didn’t understand it correctly…or maybe you weren’t as clear as you thought…🤷

and maybe you missed the post where I already apologized…
I accept your apology. The OP seems to have gotten the point, so that is all that really matters.
 
😊 I didn’t make that part up myself, someone else made it up for me.
Somebody told you that??

Secretary Monday, the CCC is a great guide to these things, even if it takes time. Now people will argue whether people can fast on Sundays during Lent–that usually is a personal decision, but whether Sunday is always a feast day is not up for negotiation–it always is. In earlier centuries, it actually was anathema to fast on a Sunday. That is not the case now, but
the general teaching is that we don’t fast on feast days.
 
You probably won’t find it specifically in the CCC. However, what you will find is an explanation of Sunday as the feast day, starting with the section on the Third Commandment. That tells you clearly that Sunday is a feast day.
I know, and the obligation is to attend Mass and to abstain from servile work as much as possible. I was hoping for something that would explain that one must not fast on a Sunday; I’ve heard the statement before (as well as - rarely - the opposite), but never with a source. 🤷

I think every day is a feast day for some saint or another, it just isn’t a “big” feast or a holy day of obligation?
 
Hello CB Catholic! Thank you for engaging on this thread.
You said,
Secretary Monday, ** the CCC is a great guide to these things,** even if it takes time. Now people will argue whether people can fast on Sundays during Lent–that usually is a personal decision, but whether Sunday is always a feast day is not up for negotiation–it always is. In earlier centuries, it actually was anathema to fast on a Sunday. That is not the case now, but
the general teaching is that we don’t fast on feast days.
When I asked for a specific paragraph reference, you said,
You probably won’t find it specifically in the CCC. However, what you will find is an explanation of Sunday as the “first of all feast days”, (2174) starting with the section on the Third Commandment. That tells you clearly that Sunday is a feast day.
I had already searched the CCC, but I searched again, and I looked on the Vatican website as well…so far every “official-looking” reference that I have found for celebrating Sunday as the first Feast among feasts has had something to do with “feasting” on the Mass (obligatory whenever possible), singing, studying the faith, spending time with family, engaging in works of mercy, or some form of rest (also obligatory, so far as possible). I have failed to find anything that specifically tells me that “the general teaching is that we don’t fast on feast days” (besides the fact that fasting is not required on Sundays or Solemnities). There is a whole Internet left to search, but the only thing that has come close so far is a paragraph from JP2’s apostolic letter, “Dies Domine”, from chapter 4, “Dies Hominis:”

"Voicing an awareness widespread in the Church, Saint Augustine describes the joy of the weekly Easter: “Fasting, is set aside and prayers are said standing, as a sign of the Resurrection, which is also why the Alleluia is sung on every Sunday”. (102)

This doesn’t seem helpful to me, as the Alleluia is omitted during Lent… 🤷

CB Catholic, you accused me of making things up that are not in line with Church teaching, but you did not provide a source for the Church teaching. Obviously there are difficulties in judging the tone of virtual communication, but these comments were perceived as an attack. Most versions of Lenten Sunday celebrations that I’ve heard have been of the “feasting” type, rather than the made-up “purple-altar-means-fast” type, but still, I haven’t found anything definitive, and I’ve heard both of these versions…
 
Hello CB Catholic! Thank you for engaging on this thread.
You said,

When I asked for a specific paragraph reference, you said,

I had already searched the CCC, but I searched again, and I looked on the Vatican website as well…so far every “official-looking” reference that I have found for celebrating Sunday as the first Feast among feasts has had something to do with “feasting” on the Mass (obligatory whenever possible), singing, studying the faith, spending time with family, engaging in works of mercy, or some form of rest (also obligatory, so far as possible). I have failed to find anything that specifically tells me that “the general teaching is that we don’t fast on feast days” (besides the fact that fasting is not required on Sundays or Solemnities). There is a whole Internet left to search, but the only thing that has come close so far is a paragraph from JP2’s apostolic letter, “Dies Domine”, from chapter 4, “Dies Hominis:”

"Voicing an awareness widespread in the Church, Saint Augustine describes the joy of the weekly Easter: “Fasting, is set aside and prayers are said standing, as a sign of the Resurrection, which is also why the Alleluia is sung on every Sunday”. (102)

This doesn’t seem helpful to me, as the Alleluia is omitted during Lent… 🤷

CB Catholic, you accused me of making things up that are not in line with Church teaching, but you did not provide a source for the Church teaching. Obviously there are difficulties in judging the tone of virtual communication, but these comments were perceived as an attack. Most versions of Lenten Sunday celebrations that I’ve heard have been of the “feasting” type, rather than the made-up “purple-altar-means-fast” type, but still, I haven’t found anything definitive, and I’ve heard both of these versions…
What I said you made up was that you could treat Sundays in Lent as ordinary days because of the purple altar. The purple altar is always there during Lent (except for Gaudete Sunday and Palm Sunday), but Sunday is never treated as an ordinary day, even during Lent. It is always a feast day. Here is Canon Law on the subject:

vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P4N.HTM

That is two official references to Sunday being a feast day, and no exception is made for the Sundays of Lent. I don’t know what you are looking for. You were told you did not have to fast on the Sundays in Lent, or if you chose to, you could. I am sorry if you felt under attack–that was not my intention, but I guess it is natural to feel that way on a forum where there is no eye contact or body language to interpret.

I think I will end this discussion. God bless you–I am happy you are returning home. I left for a while, also, and came back, and it was the best thing I ever did.
 
I think I will end this discussion.
Okay!

I don’t want anything from you. I know some things but not other things, and its frustrating when somebody tells me stuff I “ought” to know and I don’t know where to find it, especially when it is not spelled out clearly. In RCIA we were taught (not ‘officially’, but as a matter of opinion) that Lenten Sundays didn’t count as “mini-Easters”.
 
This is from an FSSP parish, and I think it sums up both the traditional and current fasting/abstinence rules for the Latin Church pretty well.
 
Okay!

I don’t want anything from you. I know some things but not other things, and its frustrating when somebody tells me stuff I “ought” to know and I don’t know where to find it, especially when it is not spelled out clearly. In RCIA we were taught (not ‘officially’, but as a matter of opinion) that Lenten Sundays didn’t count as “mini-Easters”.
:imsorry: I apologize for overreacting. I take “little” things too seriously.
 
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