Another Pope?

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TNT said:
Too, late, those 19 are in…gosh where did they go?
Anyway, wherever they are they ain’t here with us no more.
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But what about those beams of light that you see at night over there? Their version of halos, no? 🙂
 
MTD said:
😃 Well, I suppose your sig makes sense then… However, I’m accustomed to thinking of liberalism with a different definition; i.e., that of Liberalism Is a Sin, which says the fundamental dogma of liberalism is the absolute sovereignty of the individual. …
It makes one wonder…
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There is no SIN! Except making uncharitable posts on CAF. And thats only a local sin, not universal.
There are only diseases, which makes everyone a victim.
And the only un-fungible dogma is there is no un-fungible dogma.
 
paramedicgirl said:
…if there is no salvation outside the Church unless you are in good conscience?
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Yes, that too. However, I believe I was mainly referring to the reliability of the CCC.

No salvation outside the Church is dogma. And it is a necessity of means. Invincible ignorance excuses the guilt of not entering, but it does not supply the means to salvation. One must enter the Church at least in desire, and this happens through the supernatural virtues of faith and charity. These virtues come from God and unite one to the Catholic Church, so how can any other Church or ecclesial community be a means to salvation? If another Church/ecclesial community can be a means to salvation, the obligation to enter the Church is non-existent because it is no longer a necessity of means; the Church is only one means among many; the only thing that distinguishes it from the other means is that it is supposedly more perfect. But that’s not what the dogma of EENS is all about, so whence comes this CCC 819?

Maria
 
MTD said:
Yes, that too. However, I believe I was mainly referring to the reliability of the CCC.

No salvation outside the Church is dogma. And it is a necessity of means. Invincible ignorance excuses the guilt of not entering, but it does not supply the means to salvation. One must enter the Church at least in desire, and this happens through the supernatural virtues of faith and charity. These virtues come from God and unite one to the Catholic Church, so how can any other Church or ecclesial community be a means to salvation? If another Church/ecclesial community can be a means to salvation, the obligation to enter the Church is non-existent because it is no longer a necessity of means; the Church is only one means among many; the only thing that distinguishes it from the other means is that it is supposedly more perfect. But that’s not what the dogma of EENS is all about, so whence comes this CCC 819?

Maria
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Your guess is as good as mine. You think they proof read that part?
 
paramedicgirl said:
Are you proclaiming a new dogma???:confused:
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Of course not. They thought it up first, afore me.
The folks at the Conciliar Church Catechism headquarters…In Boston, I think.
It’s just the logical progression of Science leading to Faith.
 
sharonh28 said:
:confused: truecatholic.org/pope/
Does anyone know anything about this. The church without a Pope for 40 years. The Pope Pius XIII who was a cappucin monk? I have heard of the group that follows Pius X and keep the Latin Mass and think our Roman Catholic Church has strayed but I have never heard of this. Has anyone else?
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Those are just a handful of folks out in Big Sky country, who saw fit to elect their own pope.

If it wasn’t for the internet, we would have never heard of them and been no poorer for the lack of knowledge.

I’d say their importance and significance is somewhere between slim and none and Slim left town.

The SSPX , on the other hand, is an international group with tens of thousands of followers that was started by Marcel Lefebrve, someone of some stature and following. A different situation entirely.
 
paramedicgirl said:
Your guess is as good as mine. You think they proof read that part?
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Oh yes. They did proofread that part. It’s not without reason that they published the first edition in French in 1994 before finalizing it in the Latin typical edition of 1997. It is not a mistake.

Maria
 
Kielbasi said:
Those are just a handful of folks out in Big Sky country, who saw fit to elect their own pope.
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Actually it was these guys in the asylum.

First one says: I am the Pope
Second one: You are not the Pope.
First one: I am so. Look at me. I have this white outfit on and I make Church doctrine.
Second one: So?
First one: But I am, I am the Pope.
Second one: Ok, who told you you were the Pope?
First one: God told me I was the Pope.

Then a third one cuts in: I DID NOT!

😃
 
MTD said:
Oh yes. They did proofread that part. It’s not without reason that they published the first edition in French in 1994 before finalizing it in the Latin typical edition of 1997. It is not a mistake.

Maria
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And what was the reason for first publishing the CCC in French?
 
Does anybody see a connection between these two quotes?

CCC 819 said:
“Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth” are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: “the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements.” Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in themselves calls to “Catholic unity.”
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Lumen Gentium:
This is the one Church of Christ which in the Creed is professed as one, holy, catholic and apostolic, which our Saviour, after His Resurrection, commissioned Peter to shepherd, and him and the other apostles to extend and direct with authority, which He erected for all ages as “the pillar and mainstay of the truth”. This Church constituted and organized in the world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him, although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure. These elements, as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling toward catholic unity.
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Maria
 
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