Another question for Muslims

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You believe that Jesus never claimed divinity, but you do believe that he was eventually condemned to execution (even though you say he escaped death at the last minute).

My question is, why do you believe anyone wanted him put to death in the first place?
 
We believe the children of Israel killed many of their prophets and messengers. Whenever a messenger came to them with something that is against their desires they either disbelieved in them or killed them or both.

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We took the covenant of the Children of Israel and sent them messengers, every time, there came to them a messenger with what they themselves desired not - some they called impostors, and some they slay.
 
Were any of the other prophets protected by God at the last minute in the same way?
 
To add to what Emad already said:

Then will Allah say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. ]And behold! I did restrain the children of israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.’ (Quran 5:110).

Allah has saved many of his messengers from the violence of the people they were sent to: examples include Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Mohamed, peace be upon them all…which are all among the closest of messengers to Allah.
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exoflare:
Were any of the other prophets protected by God at the last minute in the same way?
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Allah protects his Prophets as He wills in whatever way He wills. For instance, the fire that surronded Abraham couldnt harm him. Mohamed was made invisible and the attackers couldnt see him (i believe this happened in 2 occasions), Jesus was raised up to God and the children of Israel were made to believe that they actually killed him, the sea in front of moses was split into parts so he can go through freely while drowning his attackers, etc.

All miracles, just different ones. I dont know if the sea was split for other prophets like Moses, or if other prophets were raised up like Jesus. (to finally answer your question 🙂 )
 
Huh, Fire, what fire? 😃

And please name the prophets that were killed by Israels. 😃

And if you like you can answer my questions of the availability of Comparative History on Islam… 😃
 
footy, I was asking them about what they believed. Not necessarily asking for evidence of said beliefs. Some of the stuff Faith101 was alluding to is only found in Muslim writing, I suppose.
 
Oh, I see… 😃 Ok, so I am opening other thread of what I want to know.
 
I also want the names of prophets that the Jews killed… 😃
every time, there came to them a messenger with what they themselves desired not - some they called impostors, and some they slay.
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Because this is SOOO interesting… 😃
 
but didnt the romans crucify jesus? for the romans to crucify jesus didnt the jews need a proper reason?
 
What??? According to Holy Quran, Isa was not crucifed… 😃
So I am still waiting the names of Prophets… 😃
 
To exoflare: yes, there were other prophets that were saved in the last minute by God. For instance, the enemies of Abraham (PBUH) tried to execute him by burning him at the stake.

The theme of prophets being persecuted by their peoples for bringing them the message of Truth is a major one throughout the Qur’an.

To footy: sure, at least one prophet killed by the Israelites was John the Baptist (PBUH).

To my knowledge, we don’t know of any others, but this might be an area of research you might find fruitful, since the Qur’an’s claims are echoed by Jesus (PBUH) in the New Testament: “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that stones its prophets”.

To cute2904: sure, Muhammad (PBUH) had many miracles besides the revelation of the Qur’an. For instance, he is credited with acts of healing the sick and bringing rain upon parched lands.

I want to apologize to footy and cute2904 that I won’t be able to follow up on any further inquiries they have in this thread, as that would steer exoflare’s thread even further off topic. I invite you both to open your own threads should the disscussion here not suffice. 🙂
 
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Shenango:
To exoflare: yes, there were other prophets that were saved in the last minute by God. For instance, the enemies of Abraham (PBUH) tried to execute him by burning him at the stake.

The theme of prophets being persecuted by their peoples for bringing them the message of Truth is a major one throughout the Qur’an.

To footy: sure, at least one prophet killed by the Israelites was John the Baptist (PBUH).

To my knowledge, we don’t know of any others, but this might be an area of research you might find fruitful, since the Qur’an’s claims are echoed by Jesus (PBUH) in the New Testament: “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that stones its prophets”.

To cute2904: sure, Muhammad (PBUH) had many miracles besides the revelation of the Qur’an. For instance, he is credited with acts of healing the sick and bringing rain upon parched lands.

I want to apologize to footy and cute2904 that I won’t be able to follow up on any further inquiries they have in this thread, as that would steer exoflare’s thread even further off topic. I invite you both to open your own threads should the disscussion here not suffice. 🙂
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john the baptist was beheaded by herod antipas working as a govenor of rome, The jews did not kill him.
 
Wouldn’t Daniel qualify as a prophet who was saved by God at the last minute?
 
im not starting a new thread to say that, all i want is proof that the israelites played a significant role in killing john the baptist.
 
To exoflare: yes, there were other prophets that were saved in the last minute by God. For instance, the enemies of Abraham (PBUH) tried to execute him by burning him at the stake.

sorry im trying to find where in the bible this is stated, could you please help me ?
 
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melbourne_guy:
im not starting a new thread to say that, all i want is proof that the israelites played a significant role in killing john the baptist.
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Maybe I have a somewhat more liberal definition of the Jews killing prophets than the oft-imagined crowd of rabbis directly setting upon the person and crucifying him themselves. Herod was still the king of the Jews, and yes he was Rome’s vassal and perhaps acting in that capacity. But so what? John (PBUH) was causing upheaval among the Jews, and even if it was the Romans who ultimately had him killed (just as it is alleged about Jesus (PBUH)), it was because of the Jews’ opposition to his message, and I somehow doubt the Jews were sad to see him go.

The Qur’an doesn’t say what the fate of John the Baptist (PBUH) was (it only speaks of his early life), by the way, though he is recorded as having been killed in Muslim historical sources.
 
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melbourne_guy:
sorry im trying to find where in the bible this is stated, could you please help me ?
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Well, if you’re acting on the assumption that Muhammad (PBUH) merely copied the Bible, then you would have a difficult time, yes. The incident is recorded in the Qur’an, though.
 
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Shenango:
Well, if you’re acting on the assumption that Muhammad (PBUH) merely copied the Bible, then you would have a difficult time, yes. The incident is recorded in the Qur’an, though.
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so basically your quoting from a book which we dont believe in?
 
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