Answering "hate religion, love Jesus"

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bmullins said:
Jesus didn’t critcize the ‘religious institution.’ Notice when he condemned the pharisees he reminded the Jews to follow what they said, not what they do. He never told us not to have religion, he said not to have ‘hollow’ tradition. He said specifically “do what they say, not what they do.” All too many ignore that part of the story, and say Jesus condemned the religion and said not to follow it. He rather affirmed they were supposed to follow the tradition established by the pharisees, but not to be hypocrites like them.

So we see that as the New Israel, established in the 12 apostles, that Jesus has already told us to follow what the seat of the established religion says, and not to be hypocrites about it. Even if our priest is a hypocrite, we are to be orthodox AND orthoprax.
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👍 I agree with this. Someone help me out here. My understanding is that Christ Universalized things by (among other things) fulfilling the Mosaic Law and entering a new covenant that went beyond Israel to all man. Christ’s/Paul’s language in the New Testament describing fulfillment of this transitionary Mosaic Law and the creation of the New Covenant and the new program for Christian living gets twisted by folks into some hatred of “organized religion.” I think it’s lazy thinking to conclude that Christ was simply there to get rid of those old rules of living in the Mosaic Law. Doing so was necessary to expand a New Covenant to all people. In other words: the Jews were not wrong for maintaining the societal laws/rules in their covenant with God. Jesus was not condeming them for being an organized religion.

But I think it’s easy to make this sort of mistake given the complexity of the Bible and the complexity of how God revealed Himself and these covenants. With individualism so profoundly valued in our society, it’s very easy to read things in a way that places you at the center of everything. Then you need to add on the hubris of man thinking he doesn’t really need anything to help him find his own Truth. Anyway. I think the kid in the video says some nice things, but on top of that makes a pretty big error.
 
Slinger said:
Perhaps you should begin a new thread. 😉
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This is DIRECTLY related to this thread.
Question: Do you have a personal relationship with your wife (or husband, its hard to tell sex over the internet.)?
 
SMA_12 said:
This video has been Exploding on Facebook and around my campus like crazy and it has been really frustrating because everyone thinks its the greatest thing ever.

Our priest even mentioned it in his homily tonight. He compared the idea of loving Jesus without religion is like being in a relationship without having rules to guide that relationship. It’s like punching your spouse in the face and then expecting him or her act like everything is fine because you still love them. When you claim to love Jesus without trying your best to follow the rules He gave us, in reality, you are running away from his grace. It was a good sermon.

Here is a good article in response to that video…

youngandcatholic.net/2012/01/why-i-love-jesus-and-religion/
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Thanks for the link to the article!
 
How would I respond? Easy.

At 3:10-3:13 he says, " “Religion is man searching for God, Christianity is God searching for man”.

To that I’d respond:
THE HOLY SACRIFICE OF THE MASS
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The Mass is the means whereby we may become the prolongation of Christ.
Through the offering of ourselves with Christ
Through the consecration of ourselves through Christ
Through the *communion in *Christ
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to the greater glory of the Blessed Trinity and the sanctification of our souls. The Mass reminds us at one and the same time of God’s CONdescension toward man, and of man’s Ascension toward God!
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“Introduction”, 1962 Missal, Angelus Press, pg. L

I don’t know if the guy was Catholic or what, but if he was/is, he was poorly catechized and ultimately, that’s on his shoulders as well as those who were supposed to instruct him.
 
Religion =/= Legalism.

Religion has given us:

Dalai Lama
Gandhi
Mother Teresa
Socrates
Pope John Paul II
Charity after Charity after Charity
Ave Verum Corpus (by Byrd)
Stunning art that moves the heart and soul to contemplate God
Stunning architecture that moves the heart and soul to contemplate God

Religion has caused every knee to bow and every tongue to cry out to God.

Religion has given us the Christos.

Religion has given us our Jewish brothers and sisters.

Religion has given us structure.

Religion has given us faith.

Without religion we wouldn’t be having this discussion and he wouldn’t be making that video.

That’s how I would respond (and this after a few days to think about that video).
 
jonbhorton said:
How would I respond? Easy.

At 3:10-3:13 he says, " “Religion is man searching for God, Christianity is God searching for man”.

To that I’d respond:
“Introduction”, 1962 Missal, Angelus Press, pg. L

I don’t know if the guy was Catholic or what, but if he was/is, he was poorly catechized and ultimately, that’s on his shoulders as well as those who were supposed to instruct him.
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Does this kid not realize that man sought and found God… and that God used the Jewish people to start Christianity?

Judaism = Religion.
Christ = Good.
Jewish = Jesus
Therefore, Religion = Good.
 
hmm have you heard anyone else saying things like this? In another religion perhaps? Personally I have heard Rastafaris say it, something like ‘‘Religion is man-made but this comes from Jah’’ and that ‘‘religion is Babylon’’. Some people claim that Buddhism is not a religion too, but I have never really been able to understand that. Is spirits, devils, hell, reincarnation, karma, people with supernatural powers, a loot of rituals and rules not enough for Buddhism to be called a religion? But to be honest I have only heard this from western non-Buddhists.
 
nickybr38 said:
🙂 Pardon me…

It was an over simplified way of demonstrating that our Lord and Savior was religious and founded a religion therefore religion cannot be bad.
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I get it and agree with the thought, but I just wanted to point out it’s fallacious in terms of logic, which is the only thing that can correct the illogical points put forth by the spoken-word poem in the video.
 
jonbhorton said:
I get it and agree with the thought, but I just wanted to point out it’s fallacious in terms of logic, which is the only thing that can correct the illogical points put forth by the spoken-word poem in the video.
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Ah, logic. My good old friend. Sometimes it’s good to argue with logic, sometimes it’s not… but I would really like to have an actual conversation with the kid in the video. 🙂
 
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