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Poisson
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The pictures are not so bad, it’s the lies that are written beneath them that make my stomach turn! :whacky:
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JimO
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bernie,
I have a lot of Protestant friends of various denominations (Baptist, Presbyterian, Assemblies of God, and Nondenominational) who would have a real problem with that so-called “iconbusters” website because although they disagree with the Catholic Church on some significant issues, they do not believe in spreading hate. Any “Christian ministry” whose primary function is pointing fingers instead of pointing to the Truth has the spirit of antichrist infused within it.
By the way, not a single Protestant I have ever talked with at any length disagreed that I am “saved” when I explained my personal relationship with Christ. So, by the Protestant definition, I am saved and will go to heaven no matter what I do, be it “idolatry”, “prayer to the dead”, “misguided belief in purgatory”, “trying to work my way to heaven”, or anything else we Catholics are accused of - that being if the Protestant view of salvation is correct.
bernie - what if the Catholic Church is correct in its understanding of salvation through grace alone, but that faith and works are inseparable? How can you accept a literal interpretation in Romans and ignore James? How can you accept a literal interpretation of Jonah in the belly of a whale and ignore Christ Himself says, “If you do not eat my Body and drink my Blood, you have no life within you.”?
I’ve been following the debates on this forum between atheists and those who hold to a literal interpretation of Genesis with regards to creationism (creationists). It amazes me the lengths that some Protestants go to justify literal interpretations to Old Testament passages (a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day), while dismissing passages like those in John 6 and I Cor 11 as allegory.
Don’t try to tell me that the Catholic Faith is not biblical. That bird won’t fly.
I have a lot of Protestant friends of various denominations (Baptist, Presbyterian, Assemblies of God, and Nondenominational) who would have a real problem with that so-called “iconbusters” website because although they disagree with the Catholic Church on some significant issues, they do not believe in spreading hate. Any “Christian ministry” whose primary function is pointing fingers instead of pointing to the Truth has the spirit of antichrist infused within it.
By the way, not a single Protestant I have ever talked with at any length disagreed that I am “saved” when I explained my personal relationship with Christ. So, by the Protestant definition, I am saved and will go to heaven no matter what I do, be it “idolatry”, “prayer to the dead”, “misguided belief in purgatory”, “trying to work my way to heaven”, or anything else we Catholics are accused of - that being if the Protestant view of salvation is correct.
bernie - what if the Catholic Church is correct in its understanding of salvation through grace alone, but that faith and works are inseparable? How can you accept a literal interpretation in Romans and ignore James? How can you accept a literal interpretation of Jonah in the belly of a whale and ignore Christ Himself says, “If you do not eat my Body and drink my Blood, you have no life within you.”?
I’ve been following the debates on this forum between atheists and those who hold to a literal interpretation of Genesis with regards to creationism (creationists). It amazes me the lengths that some Protestants go to justify literal interpretations to Old Testament passages (a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day), while dismissing passages like those in John 6 and I Cor 11 as allegory.
Don’t try to tell me that the Catholic Faith is not biblical. That bird won’t fly.
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hawkeye
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Iv’e been on these so called Christian websites before, makes me more resolved to stay Catholic, actually not worth talking about
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Michael_C
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Bernie,
I guess you opted for the Feel good church that let’s you off the hook for life, once saved always saved, no matter what you do the rest of your life. When you truley search for the truth I’ll see you at mass.
2nd, I think it shows poor judgement to make your case where disgusting anit-catholicism is the subject in the opening thread.
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Count_Chocula
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Heh that web site was funny. I’d look into it more but being at school right now I’d rather not be seen sitting there looking at such stupid pics, Anyways,
I’ve been Catholic my whole life and never heard tell of missing church being a mortal sin. Even in my studies (brief and limited as they may be at the moment) I’ve yet to come across such a statement. There are weekday Masses conducted for small groups every day right? What about Saturday evening service vs. Sunday morning service? If missing Mass was a sin then Mass would have to be held once a week and every one would be bound to show up to it. Otherwise people will either have to sit in on EVERY mass or choose one in which case you’re missing other masses. I don’t sit thru Mass in Spanish so does that mean I’m sinning, in Spanish?
Also if this rule were true a specific number of Masses attended each week would need to be specified which I doubt such a rule exists, so like, if you don’t attend church at least once a week you’re a sinner? Where are lines drawn with such a rule?
I’ve been Catholic my whole life and never heard tell of missing church being a mortal sin. Even in my studies (brief and limited as they may be at the moment) I’ve yet to come across such a statement. There are weekday Masses conducted for small groups every day right? What about Saturday evening service vs. Sunday morning service? If missing Mass was a sin then Mass would have to be held once a week and every one would be bound to show up to it. Otherwise people will either have to sit in on EVERY mass or choose one in which case you’re missing other masses. I don’t sit thru Mass in Spanish so does that mean I’m sinning, in Spanish?
Also if this rule were true a specific number of Masses attended each week would need to be specified which I doubt such a rule exists, so like, if you don’t attend church at least once a week you’re a sinner? Where are lines drawn with such a rule?
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Beverly
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I had to laugh when I saw this photo. I always like to look at Pictures of the Week on MSN and if I am not mistaken, that is where I have seen this photo before. At any rate, the original caption of this picture was talking about nuns learning about computers and the internet. Isn’t she the cutest thing? I actually saved this pic on my computer a while to show my family. As for this “iconbuster” website, these are sick people who will someday know the truth and it might be too late.
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Angelus
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AMEN and AMEN!
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JimO
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I have to jump in on the “if you slip up and commit mortal sin, then you are cast into hell for all eternity” misconception. 
This evokes an image of God as this sadistic despot holding up a great hammer and waiting for the slightest infraction that will damn us to hell and then dropping the hammer. What people seem to miss is that mortal sin is a condition in which a person willingly places themself that involves a clear decision to intentionally commit a grave offense against God.
If a person misses Sunday Mass, even out of laziness, without understanding the true consequences, it’s not mortal sin. If a person misses Sunday Mass because he/she wanted to go out and pick someone up at the bar the night before and not feel guilty about it the next morning, for example, it could be a mortal sin.
A mortal sin has to be a grave offense, the person has to know it’s a grave offense and then the person, knowing he will no longer be in a state of grace, has to decide to commit the offense.
Anyone who has even a rudimentary understanding of what Christ did for us on the cross out of love could hold to this warped misconception.
Sorry, I had to get that off my chest.
This evokes an image of God as this sadistic despot holding up a great hammer and waiting for the slightest infraction that will damn us to hell and then dropping the hammer. What people seem to miss is that mortal sin is a condition in which a person willingly places themself that involves a clear decision to intentionally commit a grave offense against God.If a person misses Sunday Mass, even out of laziness, without understanding the true consequences, it’s not mortal sin. If a person misses Sunday Mass because he/she wanted to go out and pick someone up at the bar the night before and not feel guilty about it the next morning, for example, it could be a mortal sin.
A mortal sin has to be a grave offense, the person has to know it’s a grave offense and then the person, knowing he will no longer be in a state of grace, has to decide to commit the offense.
Anyone who has even a rudimentary understanding of what Christ did for us on the cross out of love could hold to this warped misconception.
Sorry, I had to get that off my chest.
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The_Barrister
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One thing I’ve noticed over the years is that those who leave the Catholic Church have a ready ear for anti-Catholic diatribes on the Protestant side, and they do not hesitate to speak up, often drooling with acidic vitriol.
On the other side, we have thousands of vocal converts to Catholicism who never speak badly about the Protestant faiths they left behind (except to criticize the shortcomings). Listen to Scott Hahn speak glowingly of the solid foundation he built as a Protestant and how that helped him to see the Truth in Catholic doctrine. You hear it all the time from “fallen-away Protestants.” You will never hear it from “fallen-away Catholics.”
Why? Could it be … hmmm. SATAN?
On the other side, we have thousands of vocal converts to Catholicism who never speak badly about the Protestant faiths they left behind (except to criticize the shortcomings). Listen to Scott Hahn speak glowingly of the solid foundation he built as a Protestant and how that helped him to see the Truth in Catholic doctrine. You hear it all the time from “fallen-away Protestants.” You will never hear it from “fallen-away Catholics.”
Why? Could it be … hmmm. SATAN?
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Newvert
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I think we need to ask ourselves just why someone would put up such a website. To seek converts? To open up others’ hearts to the truth of Christ? To show honestly believing Catholics the error of their ways?
Of course not. The site could only serve to repel any honest seeker after Truth- Catholic, Protestant, or other. The site’s authors only wish to vent their anger and exhibit what they appear to believe is high satire, but is in fact utterly juvenile. All the while they can claim to be doing the Lord’s work.
As a fairly recent revert, I have little fear or even real disgust at such things and the reason is simple- they had a hand in leading me back to the true Church. There were other, more positive reasons of course; the prayer and testimony of friends, the example of the Holy Father, Grace… But the fact is, after a long time spent in more evangelical churches, it began to dawn on me that in all my younger years as a Catholic, I had never heard a priest launch an unmitigated, verbal assault on Protestantism. Meanwhile, many a minister had done the reverse. Sometimes, it was a head shaking sadness for those “poor, rule-laden souls,” other times the attack was downright wrathful. It could be dripping with mockery or with just a hint of a smirk at the clearly small-minded papists. You could even hear them speak about Catholicism as an irrelevancy. Though why they would so often speak ad nauseam about an irrelevancy is hard to imagine.
In the end I think we must remember to be charitable in debate, even when our most cherished beliefs are being trounced, remembering always that the offense is not to us, but to the Lord and forgiveness is the order of the day. We can use humor and we must at times disagree forcefully . But in my case, it was the calm argument and loving example that brought this son back to the Church, and I believe it is the far more effective, and Godly, course.
Of course not. The site could only serve to repel any honest seeker after Truth- Catholic, Protestant, or other. The site’s authors only wish to vent their anger and exhibit what they appear to believe is high satire, but is in fact utterly juvenile. All the while they can claim to be doing the Lord’s work.
As a fairly recent revert, I have little fear or even real disgust at such things and the reason is simple- they had a hand in leading me back to the true Church. There were other, more positive reasons of course; the prayer and testimony of friends, the example of the Holy Father, Grace… But the fact is, after a long time spent in more evangelical churches, it began to dawn on me that in all my younger years as a Catholic, I had never heard a priest launch an unmitigated, verbal assault on Protestantism. Meanwhile, many a minister had done the reverse. Sometimes, it was a head shaking sadness for those “poor, rule-laden souls,” other times the attack was downright wrathful. It could be dripping with mockery or with just a hint of a smirk at the clearly small-minded papists. You could even hear them speak about Catholicism as an irrelevancy. Though why they would so often speak ad nauseam about an irrelevancy is hard to imagine.
In the end I think we must remember to be charitable in debate, even when our most cherished beliefs are being trounced, remembering always that the offense is not to us, but to the Lord and forgiveness is the order of the day. We can use humor and we must at times disagree forcefully . But in my case, it was the calm argument and loving example that brought this son back to the Church, and I believe it is the far more effective, and Godly, course.
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Michael_C
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Well said Newvert.
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Tantum_ergo
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Count Chocula, (I used to love that cereal when I was a kid), respectfully I must inform you that you are wrong about the “missing Sunday mass is no mortal sin” idea. Please check out the Catechism of the Catholic church–you can google it and then go to the 10 commandments part and look under “keeping holy the Lord’s day” and you’ll find it. It is not surprising that you didn’t realize how serious missing Sunday Mass is–after all, some 30% of Catholics living today don’t believe in the REAL PRESENCE–and your teachers, well intentioned though they probably were, must shoulder the blame for NOT teaching you properly on this one.
It’s too important for your life in faith to drop the ball on this one. No matter how you personally feel, “ignorantia legis non excusat”–ignorance of the law is no excuse on this or any other doctrinal matter. As a Catholic, you must use all the tools that exist to be well informed about your faith. I highly recommend not only visits to this site and the forums, but daily readings in the Bible, the Catechism, and finding a good solid spiritual director. May God bless you, and if I’m ever in your neck of the woods, I’ll be hoping to see you at Mass–every single Sunday.
It’s too important for your life in faith to drop the ball on this one. No matter how you personally feel, “ignorantia legis non excusat”–ignorance of the law is no excuse on this or any other doctrinal matter. As a Catholic, you must use all the tools that exist to be well informed about your faith. I highly recommend not only visits to this site and the forums, but daily readings in the Bible, the Catechism, and finding a good solid spiritual director. May God bless you, and if I’m ever in your neck of the woods, I’ll be hoping to see you at Mass–every single Sunday.
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JimO
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Tantum ergo,
I must disagree with you on this one. In the case of mortal sin, ignorance of the “law” is an excuse. I’m sure you’ve heard of the concept of “invinceable ignorance”. I agree that missing Sunday Mass is serious and because I know that, it would be a serious sin for me. However, as I pointed out above, the conditions for mortal sin must be met before one is guilty of mortal sin. They are:
I must disagree with you on this one. In the case of mortal sin, ignorance of the “law” is an excuse. I’m sure you’ve heard of the concept of “invinceable ignorance”. I agree that missing Sunday Mass is serious and because I know that, it would be a serious sin for me. However, as I pointed out above, the conditions for mortal sin must be met before one is guilty of mortal sin. They are:
*]Grave matter
*]Full knowledge
*]Deliberate consent
Therefore, if one is not aware that missing Mass is a mortal sin, then condition #2 has not been met.
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Strider
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There’s more than one. I found this one a while back when The Passion of the Christ was at its peak. I actually contacted them and had a pretty good e-mail exchange going with one of them when all of a sudden he just stopped answering me. I tried again, but got nothing. I was real polite, too.
www.letgodbetrue.com
Check out “The Animated Crucifix,” for some true anti-Catholic venom. We can only pray for them.
www.letgodbetrue.com
Check out “The Animated Crucifix,” for some true anti-Catholic venom. We can only pray for them.
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randall_brown
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I had the same problem too , with this web site. .
What a shame what people miss not being in the Cathloic Church.
Some people just don’t get it .
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Catholic29
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Hello all, my first post to this forum. This anti-Catholic site answeringcatholicism.com/ takes the cake in my opinion, but I have found more.
Notice the play on words to Karl Keating’s Catholic Answers show, very sickening. Many people out there are convinced that Catholicism is the whore of Babylon or at best Pagan, and are determined to steal as many sheep out of Peter’s fold as possible. And knowing how many Catholics are ignorant of the teachings of their faith, I bet quite few will be snared by Fundamentalist ideologies and sadly many have been.
We as knowledgable Catholics are obligated to teach the truth of our faith to those who do not know, or were never taught.
Notice the play on words to Karl Keating’s Catholic Answers show, very sickening. Many people out there are convinced that Catholicism is the whore of Babylon or at best Pagan, and are determined to steal as many sheep out of Peter’s fold as possible. And knowing how many Catholics are ignorant of the teachings of their faith, I bet quite few will be snared by Fundamentalist ideologies and sadly many have been.
We as knowledgable Catholics are obligated to teach the truth of our faith to those who do not know, or were never taught.
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DrCat
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Do they realize she is laughing at THEM?
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cnelms
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Found the Gospel? Where and by what authority? Sola Scriptura has been disproven time and again as an invalid position. I drive past two different baptist and one presbyterian church to get to my parish church. If the Holy Spirit is incapable of teaching error, then how can all these 33,000 ( I heard this number within the last couple weeks on Catholic radio) protestant denominations all have the truth and claim the Holy Spirit led them to it? Modern Protestant Christianity is a disunified train wreck. Every time an individual decides he/she disagrees with their current pastor, they form their own denomination. Jesus is shaking his head at this behavior while Satan laughs. The protestants are playing right into Satan’s hands.
Pray for the re-unification of Christianity within Holy Mother Church, the Original Christian Church, the Catholic Church.
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Sparky
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ACtually Bernie, such laws are Biblical. God said to keep holy his day. The way to keep it holy is to go to mass. Why mass? Because Christ gave Peter (the pope, and the title of Peter is passed on) that whatever he made to be binding on earth would be binding in heaven. Matthew 16:18-19
Perfectly Biblical.
–Ann
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