Anti-Catholicism

[Leslie_Polley]

The priest is subject to the laws of the state and can only go to hear confession when he is called to do so and not when he wants to. Also a Catholic does not have to go to confession each week.

As for the book “The Shack”, believe it or not, we Catholics are recommended to read it.
I have read it twice and have enjoyed it each time. I think it’s great.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

The shack is a bunch of garbage. I read it and believe me God in not a big black ladywho coooks bacon and eggs, Jesus is not ( forget who they make Him out to be) and the Holy Spirit is not a chinese lady that picks weeds. The book was a slap in the face to God for crying out loud. I was raised Catholic, but this is just the kind of thing that is wrong. Many other people have read it too, not just Catholics, so its not just on them, but where is discernment!!! God is to be revrenced and feared( respected). The book is not good. Sweet little story to make it seem right, but isnt that how satan works!!! Anyway about the priest hearing confession… according to the Bible…pick one…we get to God through Jesus Christ, and believe me you need NO ONE else but Him to confess to. God is faithful to forgive us, but we must be truly sorry and rpent of that sin. In other words don’t do it again. If you mess up He will forgive, but He also knows your heart. If you sin, and we all do, go to the Father at once, don’t wait for anyone, and ask forgiveness in Jesus name. For those in prison, you can be free in the Lord. Read Acts, Romans< Galations. Read about Paul. He was a man who persecuted Christians, and God used him in a mighty way. He took what he had been and turned it to good…Read those books of the Bible. God Bless Keep looking up.

 

[rinnie]

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Hi…I was raised Catholic from the time I was born until I went to college and I left. I for one do not hate the Church at all. I disagree with many of its doctrins. I went to private Catholic shcools all my life including college. [SIGN]It was there that for the third time statements on faith changed. [/SIGN] I know only one thing. Gods word does not change. “It is the same yesterday, today and always.” There is one way to the Father and that is through Jesus Christ…Romans 10:9-12 Pick a bible. It was through the spilling of His blood that we were saved or given another chance to enter Heaven. The theif was non denominational, not baptised and because of His faith in Christ he went to heaven with the Lord. I am not saying you should not be baptized, however Christ was 30, He is our example…it was His choice, as it ours when we reach the age of reason. No one made the choice for Him. I was rebaptized at 31. My choice. I know when we stand before the white throne judgment we will not be asked what church you attended, only are you born again washed in the blood of Jesus… Not literaly of course, but have you asked Him to be Lord of your life. There is nothing above Him, no church or man. You cannot find anywhere in scripture that proclaims Catholisizim. Read the word of God, follow that and no one will mislead you. God bless…If you come across " and upon this rock I will build my church…It was talking about Christ, not Peter. They refer to Christ is 5 other parts of the bible at least as being the rock, or the cornerstone that was rejected. keep inn touch

Not in the RCC. You can never accuse it of changing. Thats what we get accused of never changing after 2000 years. Same teaching. I also do not understand this getting re-baptised. If you were Baptised in the CC you were baptised in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I cannot see what was missed. There is only One God.

ANd I am sorry Yes Jesus is the stone that the builders rejected. BUt he build his CHurch on Peter. You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church. Sorry you missed that scripture, or do not believe it. But thats what it says. And I am also sorry that you missed the part that Peter said at Pentecost that All must be Baptised. Entire households were being Baptised then. Again I do not see that scripture of getting baptised at a age of reason. And you are correct there is nothing above Christ. BUt you also must have missed the scripture of CHrist and his Church are one. He is untied to his church as the bride and bridegroom the two become one.

If you agree that GOds words do not change, which I agree why did you need to get re-baptised. You agree the words never changed.

 

[rinnie]

By the way the thief on the cross. Where in the world did it say he was Non Dem?

 

[rinnie]

The shack is a bunch of garbage. I read it and believe me God in not a big black ladywho coooks bacon and eggs, Jesus is not ( forget who they make Him out to be) and the Holy Spirit is not a chinese lady that picks weeds. The book was a slap in the face to God for crying out loud. I was raised Catholic, but this is just the kind of thing that is wrong. Many other people have read it too, not just Catholics, so its not just on them, but where is discernment!!! God is to be revrenced and feared( respected). The book is not good. Sweet little story to make it seem right, but isnt that how satan works!!! Anyway about the priest hearing confession… according to the Bible…pick one…we get to God through Jesus Christ, and believe me you need NO ONE else but Him to confess to. God is faithful to forgive us, but we must be truly sorry and rpent of that sin. In other words don’t do it again. If you mess up He will forgive, but He also knows your heart. If you sin, and we all do, go to the Father at once, don’t wait for anyone, and ask forgiveness in Jesus name. For those in prison, you can be free in the Lord. Read Acts, Romans< Galations. Read about Paul. He was a man who persecuted Christians, and God used him in a mighty way. He took what he had been and turned it to good…Read those books of the Bible. God Bless Keep looking up.

What is this book shack. I never heard of it.

 

[Leslie_Polley]

Hold on there lbel. It can’t be speculation, let me tell you why. Did Jesus forgive sins yes or no? Again did he have the authority to do that. You either believe it or you don’t. If you do then catch this scripture.

John 16:15 Everything that the Father has is mine for this reason I told you that he will take from what is mine and declare it to you.

See there it is my little love muffin. Now did Jesus have the Power to forgive sin? We both know he did. Now did Jesus have the Power to declare that Power to the Apostles. Well was the power his, yep, then he passed it on.

Now if I was a Catholic inmate and the Priest could not come to me, that would be extra ordinary circumstances and hopefully I would not be in mortal sin. But I would indeed ask God for forgiveness and God would understand that I could not exercise his Sacrament of Confession. I would have to rely on his mercy of course. But the fact is that Jesus left us the Priest for that sacrament, and why would we take any chances.

Remember 1 believer that is one of the things that Got Jesus crucified forgiving sins.

What got Jesus crucified was His free will. They did not take His life he gave it for us. No man had or has that power. When Jesus left us in the assention He left us 2 things. His peace, not as the world knows it, but His peace, and the Holy Spirit. The apostles were called apostles. You will find the terms elders, teachers, etc. . If you want to talk about that catch me here later…It does say tho in Matthew 23:9-10 “Call no man your father upon the earth for one is your Father, which is inn heaven, neither be ye called master for onen is your Master Christ.” A priest should be respected, but no more that a minister. They are men pure and simple, serving God in a different way than you. NO WHERE does God elevate them into the realm of deity. If Christ Himself, called Himself a servant, and that is what he wants us to be, is a priest more than Jesus Christ. I would love to talk, but lets use Gods word for refrences…cool?!

 

[Leslie_Polley]

What is this book shack. I never heard of it.

Its been out for a couple of years and became quit the hot seller. It would be a great story if they had not used God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit the way they did. They brought them down to our level and thats just not the way God works. Its the way man trys to make it, but it just doen’t wash.

 

[Leslie_Polley]

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Not in the RCC. You can never accuse it of changing. Thats what we get accused of never changing after 2000 years. Same teaching. I also do not understand this getting re-baptised. If you were Baptised in the CC you were baptised in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I cannot see what was missed. There is only One God.

ANd I am sorry Yes Jesus is the stone that the builders rejected. BUt he build his CHurch on Peter. You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church. Sorry you missed that scripture, or do not believe it. But thats what it says. And I am also sorry that you missed the part that Peter said at Pentecost that All must be Baptised. Entire households were being Baptised then. Again I do not see that scripture of getting baptised at a age of reason. And you are correct there is nothing above Christ. BUt you also must have missed the scripture of CHrist and his Church are one. He is untied to his church as the bride and bridegroom the two become one.

If you agree that GOds words do not change, which I agree why did you need to get re-baptised. You agree the words never changed.

I got rebaptized because when I was a baby my parents made the choice for me. I had no say in the matter. No one can make those choices for you, so I made the choice to get baptized and follow Christ. They cannot take my free will away as to what I will follow. God does not even do that. That is why it has to be my free will. It would be like my parents promising I would never eat meat…they cannot make that choice for me, I have to choose if I will eat meat or not. I chose meat too! The meat of the word.

 

[Leslie_Polley]

I got rebaptized because when I was a baby my parents made the choice for me. I had no say in the matter. No one can make those choices for you, so I made the choice to get baptized and follow Christ. They cannot take my free will away as to what I will follow. God does not even do that. That is why it has to be my free will. It would be like my parents promising I would never eat meat…they cannot make that choice for me, I have to choose if I will eat meat or not. I chose meat too! The meat of the word.

Hey Rene ( I know spelling wrong, sorry)

I am going to check out but I will be back tomorrow if you want to talk…cool!

 

[fbl9]

I got rebaptized because when I was a baby my parents made the choice for me. I had no say in the matter. No one can make those choices for you, so I made the choice to get baptized and follow Christ. They cannot take my free will away as to what I will follow. God does not even do that. That is why it has to be my free will. It would be like my parents promising I would never eat meat…they cannot make that choice for me, I have to choose if I will eat meat or not. I chose meat too! The meat of the word.

Hi Leslie.
Did your parents get you confirmed or did you make the choice and stood before the church and ask to be confirmed?Did you forget that at your confirmation you made your baptismal vows? Did you stop to think what your confirmation meant? It is clear that you forgot what it meant to be baptised. and have turned it into legalism…

 

[Javl]

The shack is a bunch of garbage. I read it and believe me God in not a big black ladywho coooks bacon and eggs, Jesus is not ( forget who they make Him out to be) and the Holy Spirit is not a chinese lady that picks weeds. The book was a slap in the face to God for crying out loud. I was raised Catholic, but this is just the kind of thing that is wrong. Many other people have read it too, not just Catholics, so its not just on them, but where is discernment!!! God is to be revrenced and feared( respected). The book is not good. Sweet little story to make it seem right, but isnt that how satan works!!! Anyway about the priest hearing confession… according to the Bible…pick one…we get to God through Jesus Christ, and believe me you need NO ONE else but Him to confess to. God is faithful to forgive us, but we must be truly sorry and rpent of that sin. In other words don’t do it again. If you mess up He will forgive, but He also knows your heart. If you sin, and we all do, go to the Father at once, don’t wait for anyone, and ask forgiveness in Jesus name. For those in prison, you can be free in the Lord. Read Acts, Romans< Galations. Read about Paul. He was a man who persecuted Christians, and God used him in a mighty way. He took what he had been and turned it to good…Read those books of the Bible. God Bless Keep looking up.

You mis-understand the purpose of the story of “The Shack”. It’s not, as you say about a big black lady who cooks bacon. And it is NOT a slap in the face to God. It is a contemporary story about God’s love and His forgiveness. It was written so all could understand. It’s a beautiful story and a way to understand God and His purpose for us.

As for confessing to a priest, Jesus gave the priest and the right and authority to hear confessions and to absolve sins. If you don’t accept or believe this then you don’t believe or accept what Jesus has said. Please re-read your bible and understand. Don’t try to interpret. This is the devil’s way of leading you astray.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[rinnie]

I got rebaptized because when I was a baby my parents made the choice for me. I had no say in the matter. No one can make those choices for you, so I made the choice to get baptized and follow Christ. They cannot take my free will away as to what I will follow. God does not even do that. That is why it has to be my free will. It would be like my parents promising I would never eat meat…they cannot make that choice for me, I have to choose if I will eat meat or not. I chose meat too! The meat of the word.

Leslie, forgive my ignorance but I still am lost here. Rather you had a say in the matter or not has nothing to do with the real presense of The Holy Spirit in baptism. What would the presense of the HS being given to you in baptism have to do with taking away your free will.

You lost me there. Are you saying that now you free will is taken away then or what. Baptism is the pouring out of the HS into a person soul. It gives us Grace. What does that have to do with free will?

I am asking you this pure and simple. Are you saying that the HS was not present when you were bapised as a baby and it took away our free will? You have really lost me here.

 

[rinnie]

What got Jesus crucified was His free will. They did not take His life he gave it for us. No man had or has that power. When Jesus left us in the assention He left us 2 things. His peace, not as the world knows it, but His peace, and the Holy Spirit. The apostles were called apostles. You will find the terms elders, teachers, etc. . If you want to talk about that catch me here later…It does say tho in Matthew 23:9-10 “Call no man your father upon the earth for one is your Father, which is inn heaven, neither be ye called master for onen is your Master Christ.” A priest should be respected, but no more that a minister. They are men pure and simple, serving God in a different way than you. NO WHERE does God elevate them into the realm of deity. If Christ Himself, called Himself a servant, and that is what he wants us to be, is a priest more than Jesus Christ. I would love to talk, but lets use Gods word for refrences…cool?!

See you need to go back and read the scripture. Scripture cannot contradict scripture. If I undertand it the way you are saying it does.

Why would Jesus command us to Honor your Father and Mother, and then turn around and say let no man call you father. Go back and read who Jesus is taking to and why, then get back to me.

 

[rinnie]

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rinnie: How about if we make it even simpler:thumbsup: God forgives sin, and has shown us that He is faithful to forgive us of all unrighteousness, if we confess our sins! What if you were a catholic inmate, and had no access to a priest with privacy? It is speculation at best that the disciples received the power to forgive sin, but it sounds good!

I forgot you need scripture. Here it is my love,

This is the most clear.

John 20:21-23 As the Father sent me I am sending you. After saying this he breathed on them and said Receive the HS. If you Forgive anyones sins, they are forgiven, if you Retain anyones sins they are reatained.

I mean People can deny until Jesus comes again in glory that he did not say this, but the bible tells you so.

 

[Leslie_Polley]

You mis-understand the purpose of the story of “The Shack”. It’s not, as you say about a big black lady who cooks bacon. And it is NOT a slap in the face to God. It is a contemporary story about God’s love and His forgiveness. It was written so all could understand. It’s a beautiful story and a way to understand God and His purpose for us.

As for confessing to a priest, Jesus gave the priest and the right and authority to hear confessions and to absolve sins. If you don’t accept or believe this then you don’t believe or accept what Jesus has said. Please re-read your bible and understand. Don’t try to interpret. This is the devil’s way of leading you astray.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

Sory, I guess wel will have to agree to disagree. I thought the book humanized God, brought Him to our level and that is not right in my book. Since it has nothing to do with salvation it really doesn’r matter. I personally do not recomend it. You can.

Could you please give me the chapter and verse that was used when Jesus gave a priest the authority tohear confessions. I would like to read it, really. I know that Jesus gave us the Lord prayer, and that certainly says "forgive us our sins, AS WE FORGIVE OTHERS. I would gather from that that we can go directly to The Father, for forgivness, however the only catch is we have to foregive others as well that have offened us, did something to us, etc. Its a beautiful prayer, and says it all. After all, its the example of prayer Jesus Himself gave us. In other words a perfect prayer.

 

[Leslie_Polley]

See you need to go back and read the scripture. Scripture cannot contradict scripture. If I undertand it the way you are saying it does.

Why would Jesus command us to Honor your Father and Mother, and then turn around and say let no man call you father. Go back and read who Jesus is taking to and why, then get back to me.

Members of the Snhedrin were called father (acts 7:2, 22:1), but this was not to be practice among Christians, It is also used of one who converts men to God throght the gospel, so this is not the thing Jesus condemns (Cor. 4:15) The “fathers” of Matt> 23 were the hypocrites who lorded it over others soley becasue of religious position and power. Here He condems all 3 titles that Jewish doctors greatly cherished and that fosterdd their hypocrisy and religious pride. It had NOTHING to do with your parents.

God and Jesus are gealous of these honors for they are the only ones who have any right to these titles. God is the only Father of Christians and Christ is the only leader and head of the church…Yes there are refrences of God being a Jealous God…I will give you one, you find some more…Ex.20:5, Ex 34:14 I gave you 2
And what I gave you is from the Word.

 

[kristanl]

Sory, I guess wel will have to agree to disagree. I thought the book humanized God, brought Him to our level and that is not right in my book. Since it has nothing to do with salvation it really doesn’r matter. I personally do not recomend it. You can.

Could you please give me the chapter and verse that was used when Jesus gave a priest the authority tohear confessions. I would like to read it, really. I know that Jesus gave us the Lord prayer, and that certainly says "forgive us our sins, AS WE FORGIVE OTHERS. I would gather from that that we can go directly to The Father, for forgivness, however the only catch is we have to foregive others as well that have offened us, did something to us, etc. Its a beautiful prayer, and says it all. After all, its the example of prayer Jesus Himself gave us. In other words a perfect prayer.

Only Jesus forgives sins. Priests give absolution (absolves) sins. Theres a difference.

 

[kristanl]

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I forgot you need scripture. Here it is my love,

This is the most clear.

John 20:21-23 As the Father sent me I am sending you. After saying this he breathed on them and said Receive the HS. If you Forgive anyones sins, they are forgiven, if you Retain anyones sins they are reatained.
I mean People can deny until Jesus comes again in glory that he did not say this, but the bible tells you so.

Leslie- this is the scripture I would site for you. The apostles are allowed to forgive sins, so why cant priests absolve sins?

 

[Leslie_Polley]

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I forgot you need scripture. Here it is my love,

This is the most clear.

John 20:21-23 As the Father sent me I am sending you. After saying this he breathed on them and said Receive the HS. If you Forgive anyones sins, they are forgiven, if you Retain anyones sins they are reatained.

I mean People can deny until Jesus comes again in glory that he did not say this, but the bible tells you so.

Your right, its right there, but they were not priests, nor are they called priests. This is the same power that is to bind and loose, and do the works of Christ. Thomas ws not there…did he get the same gifts, yes. There were also the gift of healing, tongues, wisdom,knowledge,faith, miracles, prophecy,discerning of spirits, interpretation of tongues.

Please read
Corinthians 12:1-14. Its great sctipture readinng though. The things given to the deciples were given to us all.

I do thank you for pointing that out. I had forgotten where it was. When do you believe He is coming again?

 

[Leslie_Polley]

Leslie- this is the scripture I would site for you. The apostles are allowed to forgive sins, so why cant priests absolve sins?

I always want scripture and so should you. Its the only truth for certain that we have. I do not say that to be smart or curt, I say it because its important to me, and necessary.

 

[Leslie_Polley]

Only Jesus forgives sins. Priests give absolution (absolves) sins. Theres a difference.

I agree!