Anti-Catholicism

[1beleevr]

i say, ‘speak up’ and let the chips fall where they may. i am SO tired of being told what my religion espouses by non-catholics with a hateful, judgmental attitude, i could ‘spit tacks’ . . . course i’m headed for the reconciliation chamber regularly! prayer plus courage might just remove the ‘stupid people rule’ mentality of today, though, really, i doubt it! . . . then there ARE miracles and our heavenly communion of saints and Our Blessed Mother! and the Holy Spirit . . . i think we are in for some more rough times and need a gigantic infusion of moral support from anything truly catholic . . . tv, radio, internet, small groups, etc, where is our political action community? how do we support our own ‘think tanks’? who is waiting in the wings to support the bill donohue’s, mitch patwa’s, etc.? priorities need reconfiguring and living out!

Many of us noncatholics, too, are tired of the hateful, judgemental attitudes(you’ll notice in my posts; I added others who have grilled and challenged my faith)!

 

[baylee]

So, I want to know: What happened to Kalos?

 

[CatholicFireman]

Many of us noncatholics, too, are tired of the hateful, judgemental attitudes(you’ll notice in my posts; I added others who have grilled and challenged my faith)!

And I wonder if we all started on an even playing field and stopped being judgmental and pointing fingers (like who started it) who would start it up again? We’ll never know because that won’t happen anytime soon.

Pax†

 

[1beleevr]

Hi, rinnie: Thank you for that nice post(#116). As someone who works in a difficult profession, I fully understand the need for regulations, and order I have, however, over the years, seen abuse of power, bending the rules, or adding rules, which were installed by man(churches and denominations are not exempt from these things). I like to think of God’s “rules”, as you call them, more as guidelines, rather than rules. And I think that the God of the New Covenant, disciplines, rather than punishes And yes, the road is narrow, and difficult; it was never meant to be easy Anything worth having, is worth working for! And I know that you have to confess to a priest, wekly, right? I enjoy the freedom of confessing my sins to my God, through His mediator, or intercessor, Jesus:thumbsup: God bless you, my sister in Christ!

 

[1beleevr]

And I wonder if we all started on an even playing field and stopped being judgmental and pointing fingers (like who started it) who would start it up again? We’ll never know because that won’t happen anytime soon.

Pax†

That is definitely an intersting thought! Who would start it, who’s to blame? Blame started all the way back in the Garden of Eden, when Adam blamed the woman(named Eve after the fall), for his weakness, in eating the fruit!

 

[rinnie]

Hi, rinnie: Thank you for that nice post(#116). As someone who works in a difficult profession, I fully understand the need for regulations, and order I have, however, over the years, seen abuse of power, bending the rules, or adding rules, which were installed by man(churches and denominations are not exempt from these things). I like to think of God’s “rules”, as you call them, more as guidelines, rather than rules. And I think that the God of the New Covenant, disciplines, rather than punishes And yes, the road is narrow, and difficult; it was never meant to be easy Anything worth having, is worth working for! And I know that you have to confess to a priest, wekly, right? I enjoy the freedom of confessing my sins to my God, through His mediator, or intercessor, Jesus:thumbsup: God bless you, my sister in Christ!

Hi lB you are lovely you truly are. But here is where we must differ. By the way confess weekly:bigyikes: If I am in mortal sin once a week, I am in Big trouble. But no love once a year is mandatory unless its mortal sin, you don’t wanna wait.

But how can we have One God, One Church and not have to do the same things?

See what I mean. God didn’t give us 2 sets of rules. Thank goodness. And I will agree with you, we had many people in the Church abuse powers. Look at Judas for goodness sakes. But Jesus promised us to still lead the Church in truth. The one truth.

Now here is my question for you? If Jesus didn’t want us to confess our sins to a Priest why did he give Peter and the other Apostles the right to bound and loose?

The words bind and loose mean whomever you exclude from your communion willl be excluded from communion with God and whoever you receive will be received by God. Reconciliation with the Church is inseparable from reconciliation with God.

Now my kitten, What does you church do with that scripture?

 

[wisdomseeker]

YO RINNIE!

Sorry, just had to do that… childhood flashbacks to Rin-Tin-Tin

Here is your honest answer…

NEVER!!! I’m from that generation that had a VERY STRICT Catholic upbringing… (Picture nuns with steel rulers and beatings with wooden pointers)

Even back then… we were just told that they (The Protestants) were just on a different path. We should pray for them, etc…

We weren’t taught to make fun of them

(Like my Baptist wife was)

We weren’t taught to be disrespectful or argumentative

(Like my Baptist wife was)

We weren’t taught that those “poor protestants” were all going to hell because they aren’t “saved”

(Like my Baptist wife was taught to pray for us poor Catholics)

I could go on and on…

Back in the 80’s we lived in the south… I made the mistake of mentioning I was a Catholic to some people we were becoming friends with. Their response? “Oh, you’re one of them fish eatin, statue prayin, mary worshipin, sons of satan”.
we can’t be friends with you people…

I’d used to think that my ending up in a Baptist church was God’s way of showing that he had a sense of humour… Now I believe he sent me there to witness to them but not in a conversion sense. I think I’m there to set the record straight…

Maybe he does have a sense of humor???

Keep Praying for me as prayers are always good… but I have no intention of returning to the RCC any time soon. All that is in God’s hands and not mine.

For now I wish all of my Christian Brothers and sisters would put a little more faith in Proverbs 8:1-12. We could all use a little wisdom!

PAX!

Here is a great website that i think you are going to love it. hope you come home soon.

bless you and your family.

zuserver2.star.ucl.ac.uk/~vgg/rc/aplgtc/hahn/m3/4mrko.html

 

[1beleevr]

[Hi lB you are lovely you truly are. But here is where we must differ. By the way confess weekly:bigyikes: If I am in mortal sin once a week, I am in Big trouble. But no love once a year is mandatory unless its mortal sin, you don’t wanna wait.

But how can we have One God, One Church and not have to do the same things?

See what I mean. God didn’t give us 2 sets of rules. Thank goodness. And I will agree with you, we had many people in the Church abuse powers. Look at Judas for goodness sakes. But Jesus promised us to still lead the Church in truth. The one truth.

Now here is my question for you? If Jesus didn’t want us to confess our sins to a Priest why did he give Peter and the other Apostles the right to bound and loose?

The words bind and loose mean whomever you exclude from your communion willl be excluded from communion with God and whoever you receive will be received by God. Reconciliation with the Church is inseparable from reconciliation with God.

Now my kitten, What does you church do with that scripture?]

Oh, my dear rinnie: I have always admired(and still do) your candor and honesty! I/my church read that scripture the way we read any scripture You read it, discus it, get (name removed by moderator)ut from all who are present, and then a pastor or elder deciphers it for all. And what of 1John1:9, or James 5:14-16? Do these really tell us to confess our sins to a priest or to one another(like if I confessed mine to you, or you to me)? Are our prayers worthy, of availing much good if we are at peace with, and dwelling in the Lord? As to your definition (or the cc’s) of bind and loose; well, they leave a lot of room for discussion! Could these to words mean perchance,“forbid and allow?” And when Christ ate the Lst Supper with His disciples, and held the Bread and the Cup, were these symbols of His Body and Blood? Jesus’s words, " I will build my church," could mean something different too; but if you have been catechised to believe that this was the formation of the catholic church as we know it; started by a Jew, then you must believe it! I as a believer, am part of the Bride of Christ, and am anxiously awaiting the return of Our Bridegroom:thumbsup:

 

[CatholicFireman]

That is definitely an intersting thought! Who would start it, who’s to blame? Blame started all the way back in the Garden of Eden, when Adam blamed the woman(named Eve after the fall), for his weakness, in eating the fruit!

That is very interesting too! But I was referring to the here and now my friend. After all everybody is pointing fingers now. Pax†

 

[edwest2]

Jesus tells us in the Bible that we will be persecuted for our beliefs. Seek to understand what the Church teaches. And live it daily. No one is perfect but perfection should be our goal. Holiness is not optional. What? You might be thinking, me? Holy? I heard Father Ricardo on Catholic Radio saying that even priests struggle. We are to take up our cross daily because it is worth it. Nothing is easy that is worthwhile. We are told to encourage one another.

Peace,
Ed

 

[rinnie]

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Oh, my dear rinnie: I have always admired(and still do) your candor and honesty! I/my church read that scripture the way we read any scripture You read it, discus it, get (name removed by moderator)ut from all who are present, and then a pastor or elder deciphers it for all. And what of 1John1:9, or James 5:14-16? Do these really tell us to confess our sins to a priest or to one another(like if I confessed mine to you, or you to me)? Are our prayers worthy, of availing much good if we are at peace with, and dwelling in the Lord? As to your definition (or the cc’s) of bind and loose; well, they leave a lot of room for discussion! Could these to words mean perchance,“forbid and allow?” And when Christ ate the Lst Supper with His disciples, and held the Bread and the Cup, were these symbols of His Body and Blood? Jesus’s words, " I will build my church," could mean something different too; but if you have been catechised to believe that this was the formation of the catholic church as we know it;[SIGN] started by a Jew[/SIGN], then you must believe it! I as a believer, am part of the Bride of Christ, and am anxiously awaiting the return of Our Bridegroom:thumbsup:

Okay if you want to call him a Jew. Can we at least call him the KING OF THE JEWS. Because I really can’t deny that Christianity is part Jewish. Heck our whole O.T. is, and its part of our faith.

So okay I won’t argue the Jesus could be considered a Jew. He was born a Jew.

But I am only giving it to you on this reason. When I was born My Mother AND my Father were Catholic. And I was Baptised Catholic so everyone called me a Catholic.

Now Mary was his Mom and she was a Jew and did present him to the temple according to Jewish custom. So okay I will give you that!

Now lets make confession real easy. Did Jesus forgive Mary M and tell her to go and sin no more. yes or no. Now did Jesus have the power to forgive sin? If he did then he either lied to us when he told his Apsostles all that has been given to me from above I now give to you, or it was the truth. If its the truth, they got the power. If they don’t then you have to deny that Jesus ever had it either. Think about it!

 

[Javl]

After reading the posts from our Protestant brothers, I see that they are all ignorant of the teachings and holy traditions of the Catholic Church. I would recommend that for truthful
information on what the Church teaches, etc. that they read the Church Fathers, a history of the CC, and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

A point of interest for our Protestant brothers. The CC does not follow the traditions of men. The only traditions it does follow are those instituted by Jesus Christ and the Apostles under His authority. This authority did not end with the deaths of the Apostles
but has continued down through almost 2000 years unchanged to the present heirachy. That the CC has full authority is in Jesus’s words: “Lo, I am with you always”.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[1beleevr]

[Jesus tells us in the Bible that we will be persecuted for our beliefs. Seek to understand what the Church teaches. And live it daily. No one is perfect but perfection should be our goal. Holiness is not optional. What? You might be thinking, me? Holy? I heard Father Ricardo on Catholic Radio saying that even priests struggle. We are to take up our cross daily because it is worth it. Nothing is easy that is worthwhile. We are told to encourage one another.]

You are correct about persecution; ALL Christians are persecuted in some way or another for following Jesus! Seek to follow and obey what Jesus teaches US through the Holy Spirit! Sometimes perfection can be our enemy, as we try to be perfect for our spouse, our children, our families(siblings, parents friends and bosses! We then tend to lose sight of what is import; one of them being, that God loves you, just the way you are! There is nothing you can do to make Him love you more, nothing you can do to make Him love you less! And I believe that if we were all honest with ourselves, we are all anti-something, or someone(group, race,etc.) Just remember, that when you’re pointing fingers, there are three pointing back at you! It seems that some people or groups feel that they are persecuted or bashed more than others! I say put on your big boy/big girl pants and deal with it If this is the worst persecution you will face, then you are very fortunate:thumbsup: Heard something interesting last week, that made me think; in the Garden, the serpent(Satan) told the woman,“If you eat of the fruit of the tree, you will be more like God.!” But think about it, she and Adam were already like God, created in His image! How could she become MORE like God than she already was? Sometimes I think that in His eyes, we are perfect, we just don’t believe it yet! Especiallywe are, if we are in Christ, who reconcied us back to God!

Peace,
Ed

 

[1beleevr]

[After reading the posts from our Protestant brothers, I see that they are all ignorant of the teachings and holy traditions of the Catholic Church. I would recommend that for truthful
information on what the Church teaches, etc. that they read the Church Fathers, a history of the CC, and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

A point of interest for our Protestant brothers. The CC does not follow the traditions of men. The only traditions it does follow are those instituted by Jesus Christ and the Apostles under His authority. This authority did not end with the deaths of the Apostles
but has continued down through almost 2000 years unchanged to the present heirachy. That the CC has full authority is in Jesus’s words: “Lo, I am with you always”.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Alecheim]
The common trait seen in catholics, both in this forum, and on the streets, is their penchant for grouping all of us non-catholics together, and believing that we all believe the same way. ALL Christians regardless of denomination, should follow Christ’s Commandments, and help others in need, evanelize, witness, feed the poor, etc.Ignorance seems to exist on both sides of the fence

 

[1beleevr]

Today, I was watching a group of inmates having catholic service, or “mass”, if you will. These inmates are in metal mesh cages, locked in, while a priest reads from a book! They are locked in their cells about 22 hours aday, and the priest is usually only available on specific days; unless it is an emergency, or last rites! What I was wondering is this: These inmates arecatholic, and by virtue of that must go to confession each week, right? So, if there is not a priest, who comes more than once a week to each housing unit, who would the inmat confess to? His cellmate(James 5:16)? P.S. Saw this priest hand a copy of “The Shack,” to one of the inmates

 

[1beleevr]

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Okay if you want to call him a Jew. Can we at least call him the KING OF THE JEWS. Because I really can’t deny that Christianity is part Jewish. Heck our whole O.T. is, and its part of our faith.

So okay I won’t argue the Jesus could be considered a Jew. He was born a Jew.

But I am only giving it to you on this reason. When I was born My Mother AND my Father were Catholic. And I was Baptised Catholic so everyone called me a Catholic.

Now Mary was his Mom and she was a Jew and did present him to the temple according to Jewish custom. So okay I will give you that!

Now lets make confession real easy. Did Jesus forgive Mary M and tell her to go and sin no more. yes or no. Now did Jesus have the power to forgive sin? If he did then he either lied to us when he told his Apsostles all that has been given to me from above I now give to you, or it was the truth. If its the truth, they got the power. If they don’t then you have to deny that Jesus ever had it either. Think about it!

rinnie: How about if we make it even simpler:thumbsup: God forgives sin, and has shown us that He is faithful to forgive us of all unrighteousness, if we confess our sins! What if you were a catholic inmate, and had no access to a priest with privacy? It is speculation at best that the disciples received the power to forgive sin, but it sounds good!

 

[Javl]

Today, I was watching a group of inmates having catholic service, or “mass”, if you will. These inmates are in metal mesh cages, locked in, while a priest reads from a book! They are locked in their cells about 22 hours aday, and the priest is usually only available on specific days; unless it is an emergency, or last rites! What I was wondering is this: These inmates arecatholic, and by virtue of that must go to confession each week, right? So, if there is not a priest, who comes more than once a week to each housing unit, who would the inmat confess to? His cellmate(James 5:16)? P.S. Saw this priest hand a copy of “The Shack,” to one of the inmates

The priest is subject to the laws of the state and can only go to hear confession when he is called to do so and not when he wants to. Also a Catholic does not have to go to confession each week.

As for the book “The Shack”, believe it or not, we Catholics are recommended to read it.
I have read it twice and have enjoyed it each time. I think it’s great.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[Javl]

[After reading the posts from our Protestant brothers, I see that they are all ignorant of the teachings and holy traditions of the Catholic Church. I would recommend that for truthful
information on what the Church teaches, etc. that they read the Church Fathers, a history of the CC, and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

A point of interest for our Protestant brothers. The CC does not follow the traditions of men. The only traditions it does follow are those instituted by Jesus Christ and the Apostles under His authority. This authority did not end with the deaths of the Apostles
but has continued down through almost 2000 years unchanged to the present heirachy. That the CC has full authority is in Jesus’s words: “Lo, I am with you always”.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Alecheim]
The common trait seen in catholics, both in this forum, and on the streets, is their penchant for grouping all of us non-catholics together, and believing that we all believe the same way. ALL Christians regardless of denomination, should follow Christ’s Commandments, and help others in need, evanelize, witness, feed the poor, etc.Ignorance seems to exist on both sides of the fence

1beleevr:
I understand your position. But every Protestant I have had contact with ( of various
denominations ) seems to follow the same pattern. My wife is Methodist and she also
only knew what she had heard and had been taught about Catholicism. Everywhere I
go, I get hit with the same statements by Protestants when they learn that I am Catholic.
The only exception was Methodist minister I had met who later converted to Catholicism.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[rinnie]

rinnie: How about if we make it even simpler:thumbsup: God forgives sin, and has shown us that He is faithful to forgive us of all unrighteousness, if we confess our sins! What if you were a catholic inmate, and had no access to a priest with privacy? It is speculation at best that the disciples received the power to forgive sin, but it sounds good!

Hold on there lbel. It can’t be speculation, let me tell you why. Did Jesus forgive sins yes or no? Again did he have the authority to do that. You either believe it or you don’t. If you do then catch this scripture.

John 16:15 Everything that the Father has is mine for this reason I told you that he will take from what is mine and declare it to you.

See there it is my little love muffin. Now did Jesus have the Power to forgive sin? We both know he did. Now did Jesus have the Power to declare that Power to the Apostles. Well was the power his, yep, then he passed it on.

Now if I was a Catholic inmate and the Priest could not come to me, that would be extra ordinary circumstances and hopefully I would not be in mortal sin. But I would indeed ask God for forgiveness and God would understand that I could not exercise his Sacrament of Confession. I would have to rely on his mercy of course. But the fact is that Jesus left us the Priest for that sacrament, and why would we take any chances.

Remember 1 believer that is one of the things that Got Jesus crucified forgiving sins.

 

[Leslie_Polley]

Hey everyone. The more I look into the Catholic faith, the more I realize that people in general just don’t like it. All I’ve seen were extremes; you either love it or you hate it. I haven’t really seen many in-betweens yet, especially among protestants. Personally, I love God’s church and look forward to joining it. But… why do so many people hate it? The Catholic church seems to get twice as much hate as protestantism and other religions. Maybe it’s just because the area where I live is mostly dominated by Baptists and non-denominational protestants. Still, they even seem to have a bad rep online. What’s your opinion on this matter?

Hi…I was raised Catholic from the time I was born until I went to college and I left. I for one do not hate the Church at all. I disagree with many of its doctrins. I went to private Catholic shcools all my life including college. It was there that for the third time statements on faith changed. I know only one thing. Gods word does not change. “It is the same yesterday, today and always.” There is one way to the Father and that is through Jesus Christ…Romans 10:9-12 Pick a bible. It was through the spilling of His blood that we were saved or given another chance to enter Heaven. The theif was non denominational, not baptised and because of His faith in Christ he went to heaven with the Lord. I am not saying you should not be baptized, however Christ was 30, He is our example…it was His choice, as it ours when we reach the age of reason. No one made the choice for Him. I was rebaptized at 31. My choice. I know when we stand before the white throne judgment we will not be asked what church you attended, only are you born again washed in the blood of Jesus… Not literaly of course, but have you asked Him to be Lord of your life. There is nothing above Him, no church or man. You cannot find anywhere in scripture that proclaims Catholisizim. Read the word of God, follow that and no one will mislead you. God bless…If you come across " and upon this rock I will build my church…It was talking about Christ, not Peter. They refer to Christ is 5 other parts of the bible at least as being the rock, or the cornerstone that was rejected. keep inn touch