Anti-Catholicism

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My theory as to the prevelence of anti-Catholicism is this. There must exist a cognitive dissonance in the Christian trying to follow Christ outside of His Church. The Catholic Church was formed when Jesus gave the keys of heaven to St. Peter with the power to bind and loose. There is a clear line of succession from St. Peter to our current Pontiff. How then does one logically justify their belief in Jesus Christ as Lord and not worship Him in the Catholic Church? Protestants have some interesting theories like sedevacanitsm, others resort to bigotry and deceit. Catholics need to lead by example, remember the hardships the martyrs endured, along with the ultimate sacrifice made on the Cross. Pray for the day all Christians are reunited into one flock.
 
1beleevr said:
tartini:Thank you for that insightful post!:clapping:And I have found ignorance on both sides, so it is not an affliction reserved solely for non-catholics; it’as just on some occasions, some catholics throw in a dash of arrogance;) And I must be meeting the wrong catholics! Every one I’ve met, is either cheating on his/her spouse, getting drunk every weekend, and dropping F-bombs, and God d…s! Correct me if I’m wrong, but did Jesus say, “you will know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free.” Wasn’t He talking to ALL of US? And I think the only requirement to being anti-catholic, is to disagree, and or challenge their belief system:eek:God’s children spend an inordinate amount of time arguing/debating things, when which measured against eternity, are in and of themselves, quite trivial! I can’t bring myself to believe that when we get to Heaven,we are going to be grilled on what we wore to church, how we worshipped, or on what day! And we will all be saints, worshipping, and praising; no denominations, no religious affiliation. Hate is a very strong, and often times ugly word, but it happens a lot; but one must guard against thinking that someone hates them, simply because they disagree. No religion holds the keys to Heaven or eternal life; these are found only in Christ! So, if you must call us ignorant, that’s swell, because as long as I am accepted by God, my Holy Father, I can be, and have been rejected by man. And I know that the eucharist is not a statue, but Mary is; right?😃
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I usually don’t make it a habit to respond to others posts, but I hope that my use of the word "ignorant" was not taken the wrong way. I apologize for any misunderstanding. By the use of the term, I merely meant the sort of ignorance that is a product of someone who does not know any better, and not a judge upon ones intellect. I hope my post was not ambiguous or unclear, as I could not cite a better source than the one I did, it being the standard of the Catholic belief. I am in full realization that it would most likely be ignored by most, particularly those who claim or reject solid systems of organization, which is necessary for order. Your idea of “no denominations” is a dangerous and illogical one, as it would never work. Christ warned Peter about such schemes and the advent of many false prophets has been the only result of such a questionable experiment, socially or religiously.

People are always going to have some disagreements, and unfortunately it is a problem of the here and now. Eternity is another place where those who make the right or wrong choices, what ever that involves, and where all Truth is known of the heart and soul, will prove to be the outcome of the choices made on earth. It is the time where their are no more dicisions to be made except by God. No one, however fixed in the belief that they are going to Heaven can ligitimately make the statement that they will surly arrive there, since all they did was accept Christ alone. There is a great deal more to it than that, and one must be always conscience of what the state of their soul is. Right now would be the best time for that.

If there is a key to Heaven, it is Christ, and Christ is only found in the Catholic Church. As for the statement made concerning the Holy Eucharist, I am no certain of the meaning of your sentence. I hope you are not in the constant habit of dropping the name of our Blessed Virgin in such a frivolous manner in your everyday conversations. Make light of Christ’s Holy Mother and you make light of Christ Himself. Now there is a situation that would make me rather worried at the Particular Judgement.

As it stands, I was directing my post to the original poster, who was seeking legitimate answers that usually are best found from someone who is a member of the Catholic Church Herself. You seem to be in the habit of answering others posts in order to refute, rather than discuss the question of the original poster. It is usually best to either give an answer rather than an opinion. Opinions are full of error, and opinions can never be Truth. There would certainly be less anti-Catholic sentiment if more persons took the time to really research the facts. I will always apologize for any misunderstanding that may arise by my words, but must always hold fast to that which is my duty to Christ.

I never hope to face God and admit that I “hate” anyone, but rather that I tried to aid them in seeking their Salvation.
 
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1beleevr said:
tartini:Thank you for that insightful post!:clapping:And I have found ignorance on both sides, so it is not an affliction reserved solely for non-catholics; it’as just on some occasions, some catholics throw in a dash of arrogance;) And I must be meeting the wrong catholics! Every one I’ve met, is either cheating on his/her spouse, getting drunk every weekend, and dropping F-bombs, and God d…s! Correct me if I’m wrong, but did Jesus say, “you will know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free.” Wasn’t He talking to ALL of US? And I think the only requirement to being anti-catholic, is to disagree, and or challenge their belief system:eek:God’s children spend an inordinate amount of time arguing/debating things, when which measured against eternity, are in and of themselves, quite trivial! I can’t bring myself to believe that when we get to Heaven,we are going to be grilled on what we wore to church, how we worshipped, or on what day! And we will all be saints, worshipping, and praising; no denominations, no religious affiliation. Hate is a very strong, and often times ugly word, but it happens a lot; but one must guard against thinking that someone hates them, simply because they disagree. [SIGN]No religion holds the keys to Heaven or eternal life[/SIGN]; these are found only in Christ! So, if you must call us ignorant, that’s swell, because as long as I am accepted by God, my Holy Father, I can be, and have been rejected by man. And I know that the eucharist is not a statue, but Mary is; right?😃
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You are correct. But it was Christ who entrusted these keys to Peter. And it is Peter who was head of the Catholic Church and passed on those key’s. They are still held today by the Pope the way Jesus promised. But the CHurch does hold the keys to heaven and eternal life Jesus promised us that. And the fullness of the Truth is indeed in the Catholic Church.

As far as sins we all have them. But remember just because we are Catholic does not make us perfect. We all have our faults. Just because we have a strong faith in God does not mean we don’t have sins. But Jesus knew this, that is why he left us the CHurch. TO lead us to the Truth. And confession is a sacrament he left us to help free us from the sins we commit and do better.

But please do not judge the perfect teaching’s of the Church by the un-perfect people in it. If you can show me a church that has perfect marriages, people without sins I would love to see that Church. The only thing the Church promises is to teach you the truth the way the Apostles taught it.

If anything pray for the sinners of the CC that they someday may be a wonderful example. There are many out there. Keep looking! But God forgives us for our sins, Maybe you could cut us a break too.😃

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But please do not judge the perfect teaching’s of the Church by the un-perfect people in it. If you can show me a church that has perfect marriages, people without sins I would love to see that Church. The only thing the Church promises is to teach you the truth the way the Apostles taught it.

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It has been said" judge the medicine by those that take it not by those that don’t"
 
nsper7 said:
People never like the Truth. Also, especially as it relates to Protestants, they hate that they might actually have to acknowledge someone else’s authority besides their own. Instead of their Sola Scriptura ‘I’ll-do-whatever-the-Hell-I-wanna-and-you-have-no-authority-to-tell-me-otherwise’ mentality, they will have to humble themselves before the Church and obey its doctrines and disciplines.

It is very hard to remain neutral when confronted with the Truth. Protestants either have to recognize that their ecclesial communities were founded on lies and half-truths and that they have been indoctrinated with junk theology and reject it all in favor of the True Church or they can vehemently reject the True Church and return like a dog to its vomit.

Congratulations and welcome to the True Church, that Barque of St. Peter which is their to carry you safely–with your cooperation of course–to Heaven. Remember that the Church and the Saints who are now enjoying the Beatific Vision want us all there with them. Ask for their help, for their prayers, especially from Mother Mary. Find a good Confessor and receive the Sacraments of Communion and Reconciliation often.

Because Protestants realize deep down they cannot stand against the True Church. After all, we have history, logic and the Scriptures on our side. Protestants only have their incorrect interpretations (even according to each other…get an argument going between an Arminian and a Calvinist or a Free Gracer and Lordship Salvationer going…you’ll see what I mean) going for them.
  1. Catholicism is by far the largest grouping among Christians (~1.2 billion)
  2. Remember that hatred for Catholicism is Protestantism’s single unifying doctrine. They cannot agree on the nature of Christ/God, they cannot agree on Soteriology, they cannot agree on how to interpret Scripture, but they can all agree, whether Baptist, Presbyterian, Anglican, Methodist, Non-Denominational, Pentecostal, etc…they can all agree the Catholic Church is wrong.
I feel for you, I really do, but just remember you are making the right decision in becoming Catholic, you are joining the True Church and you are now going to have ~1.2 billion brothers and sisters (a lot more than Billy Bob’s Fundamentalist Cow Barn has got), plus all the Saints and Angels in Heaven rooting for you.

Study Catholic doctrine, especially its history, and be prepared to do intellectual battle with the Church’s doctrinal enemies. Learn the history, learn the doctrine, learn the Early Church Father’s, learn everything you can and always remember that Holy Mother Church is there for you. Remember that before Martin Luther was even a glint in his father’s eye, the Catholic Church stood strong, guiding the people towards Heaven–even when her leaders have been more imperfect, they have never changed her doctrine or her overall mission.

Again, welcome to the Catholic Church and, if you need anything or have any questions, please PM me.
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Hear! Hear! Well Put & point on!
 
Having spent 29yrs as a practicing Evangelical, who taught his children to disregard Catholicism as a system of works and idolitry, I think it centers around sola fide, faith alone, and sola scriptura, only scripture. If you blindly accept these 2 premises as true, then you have created a dichotomy. Either salvation by faith or by works as an example. Catholicism teaches by faith and works. Protestantism rejects Apostolic authority, which is the source of the Church through which comes all Christain doctrine and also the Holy Canon of scripture. I t might be noted that the Canon was not established until around 400ad. This tells me that the true church is much more then just scripture. I have to go but i am so glad to be home, God bless.
 
The catholic religion was started by Jesus when he chose his apostles and selected Peter as the leader. It was it. Some of the later popes were much like the kings of the era and tyrants and wicked, so yes, there were those like Martin Luther who flew the coop and started his own group. As far as religion goes, there will always be hatrid of one group for another. We’ve enough religion out there to gag a maggot. Some of it is very toxix as in those middle east radical Muslims. There is the pile of dirt Gaza strip and there are people fighting of it for it thousands of years. Jews and Muslims have fought for thousands of years and they will for a thousand more. We can’t change that. The middle east, the land of Jesus, is full of crazy radicals who would slit your throat and not bat a eyelash. It’s upsetting but not much anyone can do really. We’ve tried many times as to discuss the extremes as in the Muslim radicials that are willing to take their own lives to kill innocents. Obama made an outstanding speech at the UN. He always hits a grand slam. I hope the world reads it or hears it. I heard it live. It was a half hour or worthy investment We have a master at diplomacy in office. I do respect his way of communication, almost as good as Bill Clinton. Thanks be to God he’s in office vs McCain and Palin. God let us dodge that bullet of those two as an alternative.

The best we can do is try to communicate worldwide with leaders and citizens of all nations and realize we’re all in this world together.

But, as always, some people want to amuse you. Some people want to be amused. Everybody is looking for something. But, hope reigns supreme for most of us. Some for their 15 minutes of fame are hell bent in life to go out killing others in what they think is everlasting glory.
The old sayings still go for me. MAKE LOVE NOT WAR! LET’S GIVE PEACE A CHANCE!
 
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brucefk said:
Having spent 29yrs as a practicing Evangelical, who taught his children to disregard Catholicism as a system of works and idolitry, I think it centers around sola fide, faith alone, and sola scriptura, only scripture. If you blindly accept these 2 premises as true, then you have created a dichotomy. Either salvation by faith or by works as an example. Catholicism teaches by faith and works. P[SIGN]rotestantism rejects Apostolic authority, [/SIGN]which is the source of the Church through which comes all Christain doctrine and also the Holy Canon of scripture. I t might be noted that the Canon was not established until around 400ad. This tells me that the true church is much more then just scripture. I have to go but i am so glad to be home, God bless.
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I think that sums it all up. God left us the Church and promised to never leave it. But when you reject the teaching’s of the Apostles you reject the teaching’s of Christ.

The RCC always has and always will go by these teaching’s. As Jesus told his Apostles those who hear you hear me.

You look at the other church’s. They do not agree with anything at all. And no one is wrong. How can Jesus say we have one Church and one Truth and we must be united in faith if no one accepts authority? That is why you see church’s come and go. But the RCC is here and here to stay!
 
NewAgeCatholic said:
We have a master at diplomacy in office. I do respect his way of communication, almost as good as Bill Clinton. Thanks be to God he’s in office vs McCain and Palin. God let us dodge that bullet of those two as an alternative.
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Can you please leave your politics someplace else? Like Pittsburgh?
 
NewAgeCatholic said:
Sorry if current our events offends you.
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Who is offended? I’m questioning your motives for posting here and requesting you keep your comments topical.

By the way, that grammar nun you refer to wouldn’t be impressed with the above.
 
Yes, by the time I wanted to edit, it was too late. Knew you’d get me. I agree, I did some transposing there indeed. I’m into my 23rd hour or so without sleep so that nun as dastardly as she seemed to me, back then, would possibly with me, on my knees pleading, she would grant me some slack. Sorry about the current events posting. I was not trying to hijack the thread. Word and thought association happens. Carry on my friend with your replies to the original poster.
 
Kalos said:
Yea MOO, it does seem that Catholics get more bashing, but they also make more extreme claims. Like infalability…
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–Kalos, the Catholic Church was created by Jesus.
Jesus is God.
God is infallible.

All denominations; all other religions were created by mortal man.

There’s truly deep reason and proof that Catholicism is the “One True Church”.
 
NewAgeCatholic said:
The catholic religion was started by Jesus when he chose his apostles and selected Peter as the leader. It was it. Some of the later popes were much like the kings of the era and tyrants and wicked, so yes, there were those like Martin Luther who flew the coop and started his own group. As far as religion goes, there will always be hatrid of one group for another. We’ve enough religion out there to gag a maggot. Some of it is very toxix as in those middle east radical Muslims. There is the pile of dirt Gaza strip and there are people fighting of it for it thousands of years. Jews and Muslims have fought for thousands of years and they will for a thousand more. We can’t change that. The middle east, the land of Jesus, is full of crazy radicals who would slit your throat and not bat a eyelash. It’s upsetting but not much anyone can do really. We’ve tried many times as to discuss the extremes as in the Muslim radicials that are willing to take their own lives to kill innocents. Obama made an outstanding speech at the UN. He always hits a grand slam. I hope the world reads it or hears it. I heard it live. It was a half hour or worthy investment We have a master at diplomacy in office. I do respect his way of communication, almost as good as Bill Clinton. Thanks be to God he’s in office vs McCain and Palin. God let us dodge that bullet of those two as an alternative.
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:mad:

So this is what a NEW AGE Catholic is.
 
New age: you do a disservice to your president by comparing him to Mr.Clinton in such a way. And could you please stay on the topic of this thread.
 
Bottom line is that there is One True Church…
…then there are denominations/knockoffs that came about 1500+ years after Jesus (God) created his Church.

It baffles me that some people don’t quite get that. Fortunately for them, over a billion people do.
 
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So this is what a NEW AGE Catholic is.
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LOL.

There is no such thing as a “new age Catholic”.

And no true Catholic, nor any true “Christian” could have EVER voted for Obama with a clear conscience.

There were a LOT of confused voters at the last election, and loads of fraud.

So many are waking-up now.

Thankfully.
 
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