Anti-Catholicism

[Leslie_Polley]

Leslie:
This is what I mean about your mis-interpretation. Jesus DID NOT descend
into the hell of the damned. He descended into sheol ( in Hebrew; Hades in Greek ) which
according to Jewish belief was a “holding place”, or prison for all souls. The closest English word that translates sheol or hades is hell. Also where does it say that Jesus received the keys from Satan? Again you are mis-understanding and mis-interprting the
scriptures.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

Your right, it does not say anything about the keys, The holding place was called paridise. That is where Abraham etc were waiting to be freed to go to heaven. If you reread my responce from before that is exactly why I brought up the apostels creek. And YES I still remember every line. Thats what I said…Where did I say anything about where the damned where. You are not reading my answers are you. I know what sheol is, and it is not the word used,

 

[1beleevr]

rinnie: It is because we love God, that we can love each other! He can teach us how to love one another, and accept one another’s faults, or differences! Can’t say with surety that I will agree with the verdict, but hey, let’s continue to let the world know how much loves them, and wants to have a PERSONAL relationship with them, through Jesus Christ our Saviour! And you’re right, it is cool that we can be on opposite sides and still be friends; some are unable to do this! God bless you!

 

[1beleevr]

You mean gonna be. I was just asking Leslie because you said you were Catholic then you said you were not. I showed you where you said both is all.
I understand you feel you are where you need to be right now, and I agree. But I think you need to understand us better before you pass judgement is all. And would like to help you. The best I can. But if you don’t want my help thats okay too. But I am always willing to explain our faith if I can. If I can’t I always torture Father. He helps me if I get stuck.*

rinnie: Are you talking about asking me something about Leslie? Is it just me, or do many of the former catholics in this forum get rebuked for being confused, undercatechised, angry or disgruntled?

 

[Leslie_Polley]

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Now now my little kitten I did not say that. I said that the Priest has the power given to him THRU GOD. Its like I am not your boss okay, so your boss tells me that I can be your boss today. Now I have the authority today. Now I did not replace your boss I am just filling in, Thats what Priests do.

The difference is this though, When I go to a Priest he is standing in for God just like I would for your boss. But when you tell your sins to the Priest he has no power over you God does. God speaks through that priest. God fills that we need that. He feels that we need to tell those sins out loud to the Priest.

Let me put it this way, what is easier to talk to God on your own, Or face a Priest with your sins. Now we both know that answer. The Priest has that authority to bind and loose. Its in the bible my dear. Granted it was given to him from God, and God is running the show here. But the priest is just playing his part that GOd asked of him. If its one thing that I want you to go away with from me is what a Priest is. He is a human that God works Through. He has no power. God talks through him. he has no power on his own. God does. When he gives him the Power of the Holy Spriit thats it. It GOds Holy Spirit doing the work. The Priest offers himself up Body and Soul to do Gods work. Never on his own.

Now he is why you must Go. Because we are told to Go. Peter say repent and confess your sins. The bible says if you are in sin you must get reconciled with the Church. You cannot give yourself absolution lB but a priest can. I can’t give it to you either. You can’t give it to me.

You can forgive me, but you can not forgive my sins. Only God can. Just like Jesus could, he gave that right to the Apostles. Remember what my Father has given me I now give to you. You either believe it or you don’t. Do you believe that the Apostles could forgive sin? Then if you do whats the difference between them and a Priest. ITs the same Holy Spirit. Passed on the laying of hands.

Now for the book, Will try to find it at the library next time I go. Never heard of it so can’t make a judgement until I read it. But not too much makes me angry anymore lB. I still have a 23 year old at home. If I don’t kill him, I can do anything I pray for Grace every single day. Sooner or later Gods gonna get tired of me and give in

God doesn’t need a stand in.

 

[Leslie_Polley]

rinnie: Are you talking about asking me something about Leslie? Is it just me, or do many of the former catholics in this forum get rebuked for being confused, undercatechised, angry or disgruntled?

Rinnie…I am not confused. I really don’t know how many ways I can explain something. Last time now. I was Catholic, I am not now. Have you ever missed Mass? I did not. Did you do the FIrst Fridays and Saturdays. Did you manke novinas. Did you go to Louardes? Did you say the stations of the cross faithfully. In fact I went to mass every day of my life untill I was out of High school. Have you ever been Penticostal? Do you know anything at all about what I believe? I DO know what you believe. As I have said , been there done that. It is true, instead of discussing something, you either say that “we” protestants know nothing. Well I have been on both sides, and this one is where God has lead me. I used the Bible daily…by that I mean read it. I am sure you are a very nice person, but do not say that I am confused one more time.

 

[rinnie]

rinnie: Are you talking about asking me something about Leslie? Is it just me, or do many of the former catholics in this forum get rebuked for being confused, undercatechised, angry or disgruntled?

Oh no lb I wasn’t talking to you it was Leslie I was talking to.

But to your question here is what bugs me. Its when they say this is what the Church teaches when the CHurch does not teach that.

Its one thing to be confused, thats fine. But just because they did not understand the teaching of the Church they teach it on what they think it is. Thats wrong. Like Confession, The Church teaches that Jesus gave his Apostles the right to confess sin. Scripture is full of that teaching. Now its one thing to say like you I do not accept the Church’s teaching. I can accept that.

But to say this is what the Church teaches, because you either do not understand the true teaching, its not fair to the Church. Like you, you disagree with what I believe but you do not accuse my church of teaching something it does not.

 

[rinnie]

Rinnie…I am not confused. I really don’t know how many ways I can explain something. Last time now. I was Catholic, I am not now. Have you ever missed Mass? I did not. Did you do the FIrst Fridays and Saturdays. Did you manke novinas. Did you go to Louardes? Did you say the stations of the cross faithfully. In fact I went to mass every day of my life untill I was out of High school. Have you ever been Penticostal? Do you know anything at all about what I believe? I DO know what you believe. As I have said , been there done that. It is true, instead of discussing something, you either say that “we” protestants know nothing. Well I have been on both sides, and this one is where God has lead me. I used the Bible daily…by that I mean read it. I am sure you are a very nice person, but do not say that I am confused one more time.

Okay leslie quick. Answer me these questions.

1. What is a sacrament?
2. What is the Eucharist?

3 Who did Jesus give the keys to the kingdom to?

 

[1beleevr]

rinnie: Have to agree with Leslie; that God does not need a stand-in!:thumbsup:And I cannot comment on what the church does or does not teach, that is between catholics! And i do believe that the Holy Spirit leads us to a deeper knowledge of the TRUTH, wherever that may be! It sounds to me like Leslie did everything that was required of her to be a “good” catholic! And it also sounds like she has found peace, where she is at! You know rinnie, I can’t express in words, what it means to have the Peace of Christ; to know that you are exactly where He wants you:thumbsup:God Bless You!

 

[Leslie_Polley]

so, you say here that it does contradicts unless it is compared to the Old and and the New. am i right? what are the other books?

NO I DID NOT SAY THAT. I said thats how you can prove it DOES NOT CONTRODICT ITSELF. Can you read wisdomseeker;5913974???

 

[Leslie_Polley]

rinnie: Are you talking about asking me something about Leslie? Is it just me, or do many of the former catholics in this forum get rebuked for being confused, undercatechised, angry or disgruntled?

RINNIE…I was raised Catholic from birth…I have left the Church. I am no longer Catholic. Get it. I am not confuseded you are

 

[Leslie_Polley]

Oh no lb I wasn’t talking to you it was Leslie I was talking to.

But to your question here is what bugs me. Its when they say this is what the Church teaches when the CHurch does not teach that.

Its one thing to be confused, thats fine. But just because they did not understand the teaching of the Church they teach it on what they think it is. Thats wrong. Like Confession, The Church teaches that Jesus gave his Apostles the right to confess sin. Scripture is full of that teaching. Now its one thing to say like you I do not accept the Church’s teaching. I can accept that.

But to say this is what the Church teaches, because you either do not understand the true teaching, its not fair to the Church. Like you, you disagree with what I believe but you do not accuse my church of teaching something it does not.

 

[1beleevr]

Hi again Leslie;
[How is it that you can only get to God through Jesus considering that Jesus is God?]

You might have noticed that during our Lord’s time on earth He healed many persons,Including those that other persons asked to be healed.

So what is your understanding of John 14:6-7?

 

[rinnie]

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rinnie: Have to agree with Leslie; that God does not need a stand-in!:thumbsup:And I cannot comment on what the church does or does not teach, that is between catholics! And i do believe that the Holy Spirit leads us to a deeper knowledge of the TRUTH, wherever that may be! It sounds to me like Leslie did everything that was required of her to be a “good” catholic! And it also sounds like she has found peace, where she is at! You know rinnie, I can’t express in words, what it means to have the Peace of Christ; to know that you are exactly where He wants you:thumbsup:God Bless You!

[SIGN][/SIGN] And See I lB agree with Jesus when he chose the Apotles to go out and teach all nations. I believe he did rely on People to stand in for him until he comes again. I believe that when he breathed on them and Gave them the Power of the Holy Spriit he had a reason for it. I am not saying he needed them but it was the way he chose it to be.

He said to Peter I give you the keys to the kingdom. I believe that Abraham was here to teach the gospel for him in the O,T,

I believe that he left us the CHurch which is led by the Powrer of the Holy SPirit, and that it is here to lead us to the Truth. Because he told us that.

I do understand the Peace you can get from God. I remember my husband fighting cancer and not knowing what GOd was going to do, but having faith in him to do the right thing. I have been at a point in my life that I said Dear Lord I give up. Take over my soul and lead me. I will follow. And I do everyday. I have learned through pain and the death of people I love to trust God. And I believe that he knows best, and will always do whats best for me. Even if at the time is not what I would have choose. I have learned the hard way to never question just follow and believe.

 

[1beleevr]

rinnie: If you want to talk about stand-ins or replacements(really, no one can replace God), we, as well as the disciples, are representatives of the Kingdom:thumbsup:Have you ever heard that song,“If We Are The Body,” By Casting Crowns? You, me , and countless other Christians around the world, are, or should be, the hands and feet of Christ. He of course is the Head, but we represent Him while on this earth!

 

[wisdomseeker]

NO I DID NOT SAY THAT. I said thats how you can prove it DOES NOT CONTRODICT ITSELF. Can you read wisdomseeker;5913974???

yes leslie, i did read what you said. it seems to me you had put a condition to it.

it is fine with me if you want to be an evangelical or have you. it does not bother me. you are here now. what we do here is explain to those outside the CC what the Church is and what she represents here on earth and her mission. i dont care if you or others accept or not. we will defend our Faith with our lives. we love the Catholic Church because she is the Bride of Christ, the Kingdom of God, she is very important to God and to us. i consider a total blasphemy when someone says anything against the Church because this Church is the Church of the Living God, the Pillar and Bullwark of the Truth. by loving the Church, we are loving Christ Himself. that is how we see the Church. we are not expecting you to do the same.

you cannot see the Church like we do. that is fine. you have no clear idea of how much Catholics love the Church. if you said anything like an ugly remark against the Church in the presence of my aint, boy, i would not want to be close to you at the moment.

i have been to many evangelical protestants congregations services, and i tell you everytime i heard them making remarks against the Church, i wanted to cry. it would feel like i was being pierced in the heart. believe me, that is exactly how i felt. today, i dont even enter their buildings anymore. i have no desire to be around them, and dont want to. i even been to their Bible studies. and i can tell you one thing. they can speak on Bible verses but they cannot make connections. they can speak all they long but they cannot explain what it really means. the Bible only makes sense if read with the Church. because both are connected. for example: you cannot explain the Keys of the Kingdom if you are outside the Church and so forth, i could go on…and on…

:byzsoc:

 

[Javl]

rinnie & wisdomseeker:
From reading these posts, I see that 1beleevr and Leslie Polley do not fully understand
the teachings of the Church and have never bothered to find out about them, If Leslie
had, she would still be Catholic and 1beleevr would really be interested in it. Instead both
follow the path of error by using sola scriptura, which has resulted in the shameful
fragmentation of Christendom by producing over 30,000 different denominations each of
which has its own version of the teachings and traditions of Jesus and the Apostles. It
is our obligation, as Catholics to present the full truth, as possesed by the Catholic Church, in all charity and try to correct these mis-understandings, mis-interpretations , and myths. Pray first to the Holy Spirit for gudance and understanding.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[1beleevr]

rinnie & wisdomseeker:
From reading these posts, I see that 1beleevr and Leslie Polley do not fully understand
the teachings of the Church and have never bothered to find out about them, If Leslie
had, she would still be Catholic and 1beleevr would really be interested in it. Instead both
follow the path of error by using sola scriptura, which has resulted in the shameful
fragmentation of Christendom by producing over 30,000 different denominations each of
which has its own version of the teachings and traditions of Jesus and the Apostles. It
is our obligation, as Catholics to present the full truth, as possesed by the Catholic Church, in all charity and try to correct these mis-understandings, mis-interpretations , and myths. Pray first to the Holy Spirit for gudance and understanding.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

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Playing the role of God today, javl Another thing that led to schisms in religion, was arrogance, something that is very prevalent in this forum. The middle letter in pride, is ‘I’. You can only hope to know what is in our hearts, unless of course, you really were GodI have no idea why Leslie and others choose to leave the catholic church, or why the church allows cafeteria catholics! I do know that,1)I can meet Jesus anywhere,2)He loves me as much as He loves you, and 3) that having a personal relationship with Christ is the ultimate high:thumbsup:And I do pray everyday for guidance and wisdom from the Holy Spirit! Being a catholic does not make one a better or more complete Christian, anymore than being a non-denominational

 

[torch621]

Anti-Catholicism is made even worse when Catholics (not all) give their faith a bad name. I can point out numerous examples, and not just liberals.

 

[1beleevr]

torch621: Indeed, He is the only King any Christian should bow to:thumbsup:And you are right, that it is doubly bad when those inside of the faith, give it a bad name! Some times, we have more to fear from the other sheep, than from the wolf!

 

[torch621]

He is certainly the only king this Christian will bow to. I’ll bow to the Pope out of respect for his office as Vicar of Christ, but that’s it.