Anti-Catholicism

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Someone carved swastikas into the window sill of my church.

When I taught in a Catholic school, one night my classroom was broken into. The perpetrators left swastikas all over the room and their feces in my desk drawer.

I have no idea who did these things, and I certainly hope they weren’t Protestant. But believe me, I wasn’t looking for anti-Catholicism. It came to me.
But St Violet was talking about anti-catholic PROTESTANTS in that response that I quoted. People may be anti-catholic but it’s not always protestants that are the culprits. Even you stated that you have no idea what religious affiliation the perps were.

Anti-protestantism exists also. I have been told many shocking things that don’t seem to coincide with the cathoic catechism. 🤷 I just try to let it roll of the back and move on.
 
I would suggest that you look at some of the posts on the following thead.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=185516&page=2

I have read both the Syllabus and the accompanying Pius IX’s Quanta Cura. I think that he was definitely against the separation of church and state.

I am always amazed though by discussions such as appear in the thread I linked to. What is the value of having an infallible teaching authority if you cannot agree when that authority is used or what the authoritative statements mean? Statements are made and the people must decide what they mean. It is not private interpretation of the scriptures but in effect private interpretation once removed as people interpret what the authority states from Scripture and Tradition.
This is exactly why the infallibility of the Pope is so much more reliable than the protestants’ supposed “infallibility” of privately-interpreted scripture. The Pope is a living person, and if we don’t understand what he meant we can ask him and he will tell us. Which is exactly what Pius IX did.
 
But St Violet was talking about anti-catholic PROTESTANTS in that response that I quoted. People may be anti-catholic but it’s not always protestants that are the culprits. Even you stated that you have no idea what religious affiliation the perps were.

Anti-protestantism exists also. I have been told many shocking things that don’t seem to coincide with the cathoic catechism. 🤷 I just try to let it roll of the back and move on.
My point was that anti-Catholicism exists, and you don’t have to go looking for it. You seemed to imply earlier that Catholics mistake Protestant disagreement as anti-Catholicism–at least that’s how I took your comment, “I guess it is just what you are looking for is what you find.” Sorry if I misunderstood.

I agree that Christianity is persecuted. It seems as if the media have forgotten that “Christian” is a noun. Instead they seem to think it’s an adjective, and used only to modify the noun “extremist.”

Then again, we shouldn’t be shocked at being persecuted. If we aren’t being persecuted by the world, we’re probably not good Christians.
 
Sorry If I’m bumping up a dead thread, but just reading through here on a nice breezy(fan is on) Monday eve.

FYI, I’m agnostic. This thread is of particular interest to me, as I’ve recently come in contact(and become good friends) with a fairly devout catholic. Good fellow. During my general chatter with him, I have realized that I actually have a LOT of pre-concieved ideas about Catholics, and since i wasn’t raised WITH religion for the most part I’m sitting here wondering where it all came from… these ideas and view’s I have of catholics.

And not just “pre-concieved” ideas, but actual predjudice. So I’m meandering around the internet to make sure I learn and not just spout off ignorant ideas. I’m strong in my view’s on the way I see the world in many way’s, but once ignorance rears it’s ugly head, the search must begin.

I’m not happy with the past history of the church, but surprisingly many catholics are not either. And unlike other christian denominations, catholics seem to recognize the darker times in catholic history and take responsibility for it.

So without much knowlege on the subject of what catholics believe(I’ll learn the basics eventually), I can say there is a definite gulf between catholics and protestants, and potentially an even greater gulf between catholics and athiests/agnostics.

I’m not sure where it comes from to be honest.
 
…ahhh the good ol days…in my youth…the proddy kids had this little jingle that was shouted at me and my friends

…kaflicks, kaflicks make me sick
call the doctor quick quick quick

being little angel mays we lobbed rocks at them…:eek:
 
Sorry If I’m bumping up a dead thread, but just reading through here on a nice breezy(fan is on) Monday eve.

FYI, I’m agnostic. This thread is of particular interest to me, as I’ve recently come in contact(and become good friends) with a fairly devout catholic. Good fellow. During my general chatter with him, I have realized that I actually have a LOT of pre-concieved ideas about Catholics, and since i wasn’t raised WITH religion for the most part I’m sitting here wondering where it all came from… these ideas and view’s I have of catholics.

And not just “pre-concieved” ideas, but actual predjudice. So I’m meandering around the internet to make sure I learn and not just spout off ignorant ideas. I’m strong in my view’s on the way I see the world in many way’s, but once ignorance rears it’s ugly head, the search must begin.

I’m not happy with the past history of the church, but surprisingly many catholics are not either. And unlike other christian denominations, catholics seem to recognize the darker times in catholic history and take responsibility for it.
First, welcome to the forums! 👋

Yes, there have been some pretty awful sinners in Church history. No argument there.

We should condemn sin wherever we see it (the sin, not the person sinning). I try to remember that the first place I should look is in the mirror.
So without much knowlege on the subject of what catholics believe(I’ll learn the basics eventually), I can say there is a definite gulf between catholics and protestants, and potentially an even greater gulf between catholics and athiests/agnostics.

I’m not sure where it comes from to be honest.
That’s a very good question. I’d say it comes from two places: first, our sinful nature, and we all (Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists, everybody) have a tendency toward sin. It’s a daily battle, and we often fail. But we seek repentence and try to improve.

The second place it comes from is ignorance. I’ve seen a lot of nutty ideas about Catholicism (like saying we worship statues!). But I’ve been guilty of being ignorant about Protestantism, so I’m trying to improve there too.

This is a great place to learn. Please stick around!

Oh, and one more thing. You say you’re agnostic, and since you’re here, I assume you’re looking for answers. I would like to recommend a book for you: *Handbook of Christian Apologetics *by Peter Kreeft and Ronald K. Tacelli. It presents logical arguments answering questions like “Does God exist?” “Do faith and reson conflict?” and “How can God allow evil to exist?” You might find it very informative.
 
Singinbeauty said:
Contrary to an earlier post which indicates Washington state is a breeding ground for anti-catholics, I have actually not run into it much up here…
More likely to run into atheists, wiccans or ??? in the Emerald City.
 
Funny, I hail from Washington also and I find just the opposite… I have never run into anti-catholic protestants… I guess it is just what you are looking for is what you find. 🤷
no… I don’t go out looking for anti-catholic protestants. Most protestants would ask me if I am a christian and then ask me which church I go to, when I give them the answer to their second question then they realize I am indeed a Catholic and this is when I run into the anti catholocism, there have been times protestants would spew non sense with the intent to degrade the Catholic Church without me mentioning I am catholic, I usually just nod and politely smile, there also have been countless times when I am over hearing protestants and their anti catholocism conversation, with this I usualy politely smile as well.

the reason why you usually do not run into anti catholic protestant is because you are not catholic, anti catholocism is usually resevered for catholics.

and yes I do realize there are anti protestantism, but in the U.S there are far more protestants here then catholics, anti catholocism is much more common.

I’m not sure with the catholics on this forums but the catholics I know personally have been taught to love each other and this includes been tolerant with other faiths
 
I’m not sure with the catholics on this forums but the catholics I know personally have been taught to love each other and this includes been tolerant with other faiths
What we need to do is stop being ‘tolerant’ and try being understanding and accepting. Anti-whatever isn’t going to stop until you try to see WHY they are the way they are. When I come up to anti-protestantism I try to look at it as if they are so passionate about their Faith and they love me so much, that they can’t help but incessently spout lies and assumptions about my Faith.

Try looking at the person spouting the ugliness about catholicism and just say: “Thank you so much for caring that much about my soul. [insert smile] I feel I am on the path God put me on and you have given me much to talk about with Him. I will let you know the outcome.”

Who knows? 🤷 That person may just shut up and it can open a dialogue to understanding rather than the usual polite smile and distaste for protestants. Which is quite obvious by the way.

Catholics and protestants need to start breaking down the walls instead of building up MORE… 👍
 
By reading some of the posts on here, it seems anti-catholicism is quite a big thing over in the states…
Is it just in some places or all over the states?
 
By reading some of the posts on here, it seems anti-catholicism is quite a big thing over in the states…
Is it just in some places or all over the states?
Contrary to an earlier post which indicates Washington state is a breeding ground for anti-catholics, I have actually not run into it much up here…
 
I have never had anyone ask me my faith. My husband always gets those kinds of people. He is a secular humanist and thinks all religion is nuts. He is finally learning to be polite to people who try to convert him. 😛

I love hearing about the religious beliefs of people but I am too polite to ask. I wait for them to ask me, but they never do. I never get a chance to answer the door when people come around to talk about their faith. I am always in the garden or on the phone when they come. My husband is the one who answers poor dear.

Who can tell why some of us who want to talk religion never get a chance to do so and others of us who want to avoid such discussion are forced by circumstances to do so. Very strange.
 
I have never had anyone ask me my faith. My husband always gets those kinds of people. He is a secular humanist and thinks all religion is nuts. He is finally learning to be polite to people who try to convert him. 😛

I love hearing about the religious beliefs of people but I am too polite to ask. I wait for them to ask me, but they never do. I never get a chance to answer the door when people come around to talk about their faith. I am always in the garden or on the phone when they come. My husband is the one who answers poor dear.

Who can tell why some of us who want to talk religion never get a chance to do so and others of us who want to avoid such discussion are forced by circumstances to do so. Very strange.
We call it the CAT syndrome in my house. Did you ever notice that a cat will run away from cat lovers that want to pet it, but then they will go jump into the lap of the closest cat hater?
 
Who can tell why some of us who want to talk religion never get a chance to do so and others of us who want to avoid such discussion are forced by circumstances to do so. Very strange.
Not so strange. Most people who want to discuss religion have the overt motivation to convert people. Those who are simply curious, or whose motivation to convert is subtle and non-coercive and non-judgmental are rare. Human nature-- the tendency to believe “we are good, you are evil”. Only polite to be very cautious.

I like to steal from Bill Wilson with my attitude “Attraction rather than promotion”.
 
My sister sent her children to a Christian School that was supposed to be non denominational. We were shocked at the anti Catholicism of the 4th Grade History textbook. She politely complained about it to the school administrator, but he said that the textbooks came as a set and he could do nothing about them.
Sounds to me like the children were attending a Non-Denominational school, which is in fact, NOT non-denominational. It’s it’s own branch of Protestantism. This is one of those groups that grasped on the term ‘Christian’, as a pseudonym for ‘Non-Catholic Christian’.

This just goes to show how dishonest they are. And it also shows how important it is for Catholics to learn about Non-Catholic sects (I am trying to avoid calling them ‘churches’, as I believe the Catholic church is the One True Church’
 
We call it the CAT syndrome in my house. Did you ever notice that a cat will run away from cat lovers that want to pet it, but then they will go jump into the lap of the closest cat hater?
Hmn–since I started attending daily Mass, just recently, I can identify that as one of my flaws.
 
No doubt there was anti Catholicism early in US history and even up to the JFK era. I think it still exists but that is not too much different than the general animosity to Christianity in general.

Rev North
Whoa! Look again! Anti-Catholicism was part and parcel of the Protestant vision of America as the New Kingdom of God. I don’t usually cite Wiki (for obvious reasons) but scroll down to the section on the United States for a quick look.

Know anything about the history of Maryland? It was founded for Catholics because Catholicism was illegal elsewhere. Ever hear of the Know-Nothings? The KKK?

There is NO comparison between today’s anti-Christian atmosphere and historic anti-Catholicism in America.
 
No doubt there was anti Catholicism early in US history and even up to the JFK era. I think it still exists but that is not too much different than the general animosity to Christianity in general.

Rev North
Well, during the Irish immigration period, much of it was not so much the Irish were Catholic as much as they were immigrants. We still struggle with welcoming immigrants today.

Up to JFK, there were not many Catholic politicians on the national stage for President due to the fear that they would have to toe the line 100% with the Vatican. That seemed to be a real big icebreaker nationwide. Sadly there are many who think every politician has to vote with the Vatican 100% or not be Catholic anymore. That effect is only rebuilding the old walls which came down in the 1960’s.
 
Well, during the Irish immigration period, much of it was not so much the Irish were Catholic as much as they were immigrants. We still struggle with welcoming immigrants today.

Up to JFK, there were not many Catholic politicians on the national stage for President due to the fear that they would have to toe the line 100% with the Vatican. That seemed to be a real big icebreaker nationwide. Sadly there are many who think every politician has to vote with the Vatican 100% or not be Catholic anymore. That effect is only rebuilding the old walls which came down in the 1960’s.
The “wall” that came down in the 1960s was the idea that a Catholic could promote non-Catholic views and still be Catholic. This was a bit of prestidigitation engineered by the Fr. Robert Drinan, who served for 10 years in Congress and mentored some of the outstanding proponents of the position still in power: Ted, Nancy, Kerry et al.

And the JFK campaign made a specific effort to assure a still anti-Catholic country that he was not a citizen of the Vatican. It was a serious issue with his candidacy. I’ll bet if he had gone to Holy Cross instead of Harvard, he would never have made it to Congress.
 
Good book:

The American Catholic Experience: A History from Colonial Times to the Present by Jay P. Dolan

A lot of it had to do with prejudice against recent immigrants, Irish and Italian. But the French were here very early, and made a practice of assimilating with those who were here first. 😃
 
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