Anti-gay message in Catholic parish bulletin sparks outrage

[adgloriam]

So within Christian groups like Church Militant and Catholics, the Catholics should denounce and deconstruct influencers etc… I was just wondering, since we have an example in the Christian community if there was a similar example among LGBT groups, where one feels they need to denounce the other group. It may be a shocking “I can’t believe you’re even asking this question” it may be an ignorant question but I’m sincere in my query.

Sure Micheal Foucault among so many other homosexual thinkers who’d be unyielding in denouncing forms of manipulation, coercion, and unethical influencing. (In fact, when he denounced violence he was pioneering in many of the objects he chose. And the validity of his thought was attacked exclusively “ad hominem” based on his sexuality not his thought. Because it upset many of the traditional quadrants of society costumed to discriminating, validating, and perpetuating violence. )

Only by exception are groups devoid of persons with qualities of the highest grade. And I am absolutely sure that within the broadly defined group based on sexuality some denominate as LGBT there are countless persons of the highest quality.

Those, in turn, have certainly taken their self-analyses far. And some seeking Christ and truth would revert the entire analyses from commonplace hyped sophism towards truth.

 

[adgloriam]

Very good post @GordonP !!!

 

[GordonP]

Very good post @GordonP !!!

Thanks!

 

[MarthaSo]

Thank you, I was referring to groups not individuals , for example the different beliefs within denominations of Christianity etc…but it’s been an hour and I have to go but I appreciate very much all responses. I’ll stop asking, I’m sure there are LGBT groups that promote abstinence that would disagree with another LGBT group that doesn’t. That’s what I was trying to ask. I thought someone may know off hand the way we know offhand the different names of the Christian groups that have different beliefs.

 

[GordonP]

I’m sure there are LGBT groups that promote abstinence

You actually answered this question yourself in an earlier post where you said that Courage was a Catholic group, not an LGBT group. And that’s the same for just about all of the other groups like it. They are organs of religious organizations that usually do not actively support LGBT rights in any way. Hence, they are not considered part of the LBGT rights movement. I’m not aware of any real LBGT rights groups that promote abstinence and also actively support LGBT rights like legal and marriage equality.

 

[TheLittleLady]

you color all of us with the same brush, making yourself out to be the lone savior of gay people everywhere.

Never said that, I am blessed to have an active Diocesan group who welcomes LGBTQ Catholics, their family members, as well as those LGBTQ people who are not Catholic but want to know more.

Sorry if I gave the impression that I am alone, I am one person who stands in the shadows of some amazing people.

I know gay people. I speak from my personal experience.

It seems that many people here live in very different communities, have had night and day different experiences.

 

[TheLittleLady]

You would likely start some groups that some find surprising:

Pro Life group http://www.plagal.org/

The Republican group http://www.logcabin.org/

Pro Gun Rights Meet the Gay Libertarian Gun Nuts

 

[Psalm30]

I find serial monogamy to be offensive. Divorce and remarriage is against the teachings of the Church, yet, I don’t see people keeping their kids home from visiting little Sally at her step-mom’s house or away from a parade because there are people there who are living together or irregularly married presenting themselves as married.

I know, I said I was out of here, but, I fail to see how we must be outraged over one and and not the other.

Hats off to you, Little Lady

 

[adgloriam]

theCardinalbird:

And we aren’t pleased with LGBTQ people telling us that we have to accept their idea of marriage. It’s offensive to us.

I find serial monogamy to be offensive. Divorce and remarriage is against the teachings of the Church, yet, I don’t see people keeping their kids home from visiting little Sally at her step-mom’s house or away from a parade because there are people there who are living together or irregularly married presenting themselves as married.

I know, I said I was out of here, but, I fail to see how we must be outraged over one and and not the other.

Since you mention it…In more traditional cultures it’s sometimes frowned upon that contact with such examples of family can be a bad example for your own kids. I’ve heard countless of my friends say their parents had instructed them not to be friends with this and that kid because the bad examples and confusion their family structures imparted on them could have a negative influence…

And they might been right in a way…It was much latter in life that I began to understand those kids coming from unstructured or unstable families carried a heavy baggage that could manifest in confusion regarding family values, academic success, or involvement in subcultures and a tendency for substance abuse. It’s not necessarily so, and the implication isn’t direct, nevertheless…(And I’m not advocating for that kind of prejudice, but educating a kid to prepare handling being confronted with the example is also not easy…)

However, you don’t see parades advocating divorce, remarriage, promiscuity, polygamy and so forth waving it as a flag…And that is what the OP was about, a stance against an almost “catch-all” sort of parade that under the guise of “rights” can all too easily include legitimization of all kinds of behaviors not exclusively restricted to attraction and gender identity disorder. (And some of those behaviors included will not be consensual nor approved by significant segments of LGBT persons themselves.)

 

[MarthaSo]

Thanks however that’s not what I was looking for because where’s the group they’re opposing? But it’s ok. I believe I have my question answered, thank you.

 

[TheLittleLady]

Well, gun rights groups oppose gun control groups, Republicans and Democrats cannot even walk on the same side of the street these days, etc.

 

[Horton]

But yet here again you appear to be putting all of us who disagree with supporting gay pride events as lesser than, or in other words bigots or homophobic. Post after post has shown that to be false but you fail to recognize it. You only see a slice of the whole picture.

Does you dioceses welcome sexually active, lifestyle promoting gays who have no intention of trying to live their lives according to God’s will? Or is it SSA who want to live as any other single person within the Catholic Church. If it is that, then it’s really not all that different from any other diocese or parish.

I know gay people. I speak from personal experience. I will never support a gay pride event just as I would never support a straight pride event.

It’s not a matter of having different experiences, it’s a matter of knowing and following Church teaching.

 

[TheLittleLady]

All sorts of sinners are welcome to be part of any Mass or public Parish/Diocesean event.

There is, so far, not a questionnaire to screen out sexual sinners from going to a faith group or to Mass.

 

[Horton]

Did I say there was? What in the world would make you think I would be against anyone coming to Mass or a Church event?

 

[SeeTheLight]

You are right we are all sinners. The gay person that fornicates is in just as much need of reconciliation as the straight person who fornicates.

I think the message of the church regarding gay pride week/parades is to not promote a lifestyle that could put a person at risk of grave sin and that’s what pride week promotes to some extent.

The church welcomes all and is only trying to lead us on a path to salvation and people for some reason constantly fight about it.

I have homosexual friends and respect them as much as anybody else and would never do anything to make them feel less welcome.

 

[SeraficLeo]

Anti-gay message in Catholic parish bulletin sparks outrage | CBC News

The CBC are notorious liars, propagandists and sensationalists. There was no “outrage” anywhere in Canada (I live there). This is typical dog-whistling from a Leftist, state-funded media outlet: it’s dog-whistling to Progressivist activists to ACT outraged, exactly because nobody cares.

 

[Crocus]

You have a good point @SeraficLeo. We in Canada need to be more careful about accepting what we hear in the media, on all issues, discerning fact from opinion, reporting from manipulation.

 

[bassmansteiny]

That is not the point. I hang out with my best friend who is gay all the time. We go have a beer at the pub. However if he decides he wants to get married, I cannot attend his wedding. That would be me celebrating and saying it is ok. I can’t do that. The Pride events, while it may be many things like support of people with SSA and things like that, is still a celebration. Attending said event would be the same as condoning it. There is a difference between having funnel cake with your neighbor and attending an event with him or her that celebrates homosexuality. Having Same Sex Attraction is not a sin, the acting out on it is. As Catholics and Christians we are not to be complicit with sin, yes we sin, but we are not supposed to be complicit with it. We love our gay friends, family and neighbors but we don’t support the act. We treat them with charity/love which is what I do, but we stand firm on Church teachings. My buddy is a hero in my book, he is an EMT/Firefighter. I’ve never once been rude, disrespectful or shunned him. However he does know my beliefs and respects them as I respect him, however that does not mean attending any kind of Pride events.

 

[SeraficLeo]

And if I might be tolerated to elaborate on my own post extraneously to the topic, this is the reason my patience with leftists generally is almost completely gone. Everyone in Canada knows this CBC article is a blatant lie and falsehood, even paid for with our own hard-earned tax-dollars, but nobody on the left - even more benign liberals - cares in the slightest. They are perfectly okay with this kind of lying and forcing their fellow countrymen to pay fo these packs of lies to boot. I really wish the Church would address this severe moral failing in Western society rather than pretending this severe moral bankruptcy doesn’t exist. For 50 years the Church has operated on the premise of dialogue; but dialogue becomes impossible when people simply stick their heads in the dirt and are indifferent to the truth. Some direction from the Church’s shepherds would be welcome because when rational dialogue breaks down and becomes impossible the only apparent recourse is to physical force or “muscle” for self-defense and preservation: the CBC, for example, actively censors anyone who points out their lies in social media, as do so many other obviously leftist propaganda outlets. What are people even supposed to do in the face of such obstinancy and childish unreasonableness? . . . I understand sometimes God Himself puts us in a situation where the only moral option or recourse we have left in faith is silent, patient-endurance, even to martyrdom; . . .

 

[edwest211]

I have no idea why you think any of this.

“at Vatican II the Church all but baptized 20th century liberal humanism” I encourage everyone reading to realize that Vatican II is, again, being used as a scapegoat for things that happened outside of the Church due to organized efforts by groups of radicals who wanted to change things.