Anti-Islam Ads Remixed in San Francisco and New York

[Caldera]

Link me to a .edu website that demonstrates a verifiable link between opposition to Israel and Israeli policies and Jihad. I would consider that homework, not a website self-described as an “Israeli research institute.”

This is Palestinian media which is what is shown to their people.

Browse the website and read before you make your next argument.

 

[IbnFiktur]

This is Palestinian media which is what is shown to their people.

Browse the website and read before you make your next argument.

The website isn’t loading on my computer for some reason. (Palestinian conspiracy? )

Either way, there is no way that you can show me a verifiable link between opposition to Israel and Jihad. I oppose many Israeli policies. Am I a jihadist? Am I supporting jihad? The answer is no, but the ad attempts to force one to pick Israel or accuse the reader of siding with “barbarians.” I could make an equally vicious attack ad about Israel. But I don’t, because I don’t believe in slander and oversimplification.

 

[Caldera]

The website isn’t loading on my computer for some reason. (Palestinian conspiracy? )

Can’t help you there.

Either way, there is no way that you can show me a verifiable link between opposition to Israel and Jihad.

I did, but you can’t access it. Sorry…

I oppose many Israeli policies. Am I a jihadist? Am I supporting jihad? The answer is no, but the ad attempts to force one to pick Israel or accuse the reader of siding with “barbarians.”

Actually, I really doubt you are the commander behind the savages who are firing rockets into Israel… If you were, I’d call you a “savage”.

I could make an equally vicious attack ad about Israel. But I don’t, because I don’t believe in slander and oversimplification.

Go ahead, but make sure you back it up with an accurate/truthful link.

 

[IbnFiktur]

Go ahead, but make sure you back it up with an accurate/truthful link.

Your entire post does not appear to answer my points.

I do not wish to foment division by equating support of Israel with barbarically denying basic human rights to innocents in Palestine. I do not believe it is that simple. I believe you can identify with Israel without inherently supporting some truly barbaric Israeli policies.

Similarly, I believe that people can be perfectly capable of opposing barbarism on both sides. The ad seems to imply that there is one “good” side and one “barbaric” side. I do not believe that this is the case, and furthermore I do not believe that my standpoint makes me a jihadist.

The ad is therefore false.

 

[Caldera]

Your entire post does not appear to answer my points.

I do not wish to foment division by equating support of Israel with barbarically denying basic human rights to innocents in Palestine. I do not believe it is that simple. I believe you can identify with Israel without inherently supporting some truly barbaric Israeli policies.

Similarly, I believe that people can be perfectly capable of opposing barbarism on both sides. The ad seems to imply that there is one “good” side and one “barbaric” side. I do not believe that this is the case, and furthermore I do not believe that my standpoint makes me a jihadist.

The ad is therefore false.

It’s really a sad situation, yes, but if there is a “good side” to this mess, it’s Israel.

If you think otherwise, then we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[IbnFiktur]

It’s really a sad situation, yes, but if there is a “good side” to this mess, it’s Israel.

If you think otherwise, then we will have to agree to disagree.

I do think otherwise.

Though to your question of "if there is a ‘good side,’ I would say that there is no simple answer to that question.

However, I believe that encouraging thorough research into the war, each side’s grievances, and the true diversity of opinion within both Israel and Palestine is more constructive to the cause of peace than publishing an advertisement that equates opposition to Israel with jihad.

Can we agree on that?

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

Though to your question of "if there is a ‘good side,’ I would say that there is no simple answer to that question.

The good side are the every day Palestinian and Israeli citizens the majority of whom support a peaceful two-state solution. Unfortunately neither are capable of reigning in the hardliners who won’t put their grievances to rest. The extremists on both sides have a disproportionate share of power than their majority moderate and peaceful brethren and the conflict will continue until the balance of power shifts in their favor. I think it was Ghandi who said “An-eye-for-an-eye-for-an-eye-for-an-eye ends in making everybody blind.”

 

[oldcatholicguy]

Anyone who doesn’t see this hate filled piece of updated Nazi propaganda* for what it is is either too dense too talk to or so far up a river in Egypt we’d have to mail them a paddle.

*google Nazi propaganda posters. I’m not going to post or link any due to their offensive caricature of the Jewish people. The “civilized man vs. the savage” is a classic, and apparantly still popular, propaganda motif. All that is missing from this piece of propaganda is a picture of a woman or child about to be assaulted by a caricaturized savage. I’m sure they’ll get it “right” in version 2.

 

[meltzerboy]

http://p.twimg.com/Az_9YHoCcAAQ4NN.jpg

Ms. Geller’s intellectual hero** Ayn Rand, reads: “In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man.” Then, between two Stars of David, the tag line appears: “Support Israel. Defeat Jihad.”**

thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/anti-islam-ads-remixed-in-san-francisco-and-new-york/

english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/08/24/233977.html

Anti-Islamic ad claiming “it’s not Islamophobia, it’s Islamorealism” goes up in NY train stations
cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57495509/anti-islamic-ad-claiming-its-not-islamophobia-its-islamorealism-goes-up-in-ny-train-stations/

I hope people do not allow themselves to be influenced by these hatred propaganda campaigns nor the others prepared by the pro-war think tanks to promote hatred, war and destruction of the Arabians, Persians, Palestinians and Muslims. I hope people will pause long enough to recognize that we are speaking of human beings just like me and you.

Praying for peace.

I firmly support Israel; however, I deplore and condemn such insulting ads.

 

[Caldera]

I do think otherwise.

Though to your question of "if there is a ‘good side,’ I would say that there is no simple answer to that question.

However, I believe that encouraging thorough research into the war, each side’s grievances, and the true diversity of opinion within both Israel and Palestine is more constructive to the cause of peace than publishing an advertisement that equates opposition to Israel with jihad.

Can we agree on that?

Sorry, we disagree. Hamas is a terrorist organization, and was created directly from members of the Muslim Brotherhood. We wouldn’t have the problems of this magnitude today if that wasn’t the case.

When you get a chance, read what Palestinians are being taught…

 

[IbnFiktur]

Sorry, we disagree. Hamas is a terrorist organization, and was created directly from members of the Muslim Brotherhood. We wouldn’t have the problems of this magnitude today if that wasn’t the case.

When you get a chance, read what Palestinians are being taught…

So let me get this straight- you believe that the cause of peace is best promoted by saying that anyone who does not support Israel is a jihadist?

 

[George_Stegmeir]

For those Catholics that sympathize with Islamicists, you seem to forget that apart from secularists, Islamicists in the Mid-Eastern Nations are the greatest enemies of Christianity in the world. Just ask any Christian who lives in these countries or who has been able to escape. No where else on earth, except Moslem Africa, have as many churches been destroyed and Christians been killed.
Communist China may persecute Catholics who do not subscribe to their official Catholic Church that is more loyal to Peiping than to Rome, but that is amateur night as compared to what goes on in North Africa, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Pakistan, etc. Are any of you aware that the Turkish Government requires that the Patriarch of Istanbul must be a native born Turk, yet has close the only Turkish Seminary years ago and won’t let it re-open? They also do not allow any Turkish Christian to attend a Seminary abroad. If they do attend one, they are not permitted to return to Turkey. And Turkey is one of the more modern and liberal Moslem countries. Of course, their reason is to have Christianity die out.

 

[IbnFiktur]

For those Catholics that sympathize with Islamicists, you seem to forget that apart from secularists, Islamicists in the Mid-Eastern Nations are the greatest enemies of Christianity in the world. Just ask any Christian who lives in these countries or who has been able to escape. No where else on earth, except Moslem Africa, have as many churches been destroyed and Christians been killed.
Communist China may persecute Catholics who do not subscribe to their official Catholic Church that is more loyal to Peiping than to Rome, but that is amateur night as compared to what goes on in North Africa, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Pakistan, etc. Are any of you aware that the Turkish Government requires that the Patriarch of Istanbul must be a native born Turk, yet has close the only Turkish Seminary years ago and won’t let it re-open? They also do not allow any Turkish Christian to attend a Seminary abroad. If they do attend one, they are not permitted to return to Turkey. And Turkey is one of the more modern and liberal Moslem countries. Of course, their reason is to have Christianity die out.

Nobody here has claimed to sympathize with Islamists.

Not all Muslims are Islamists (let alone militant Islamists). Not all Palestinians are Muslims.

In fact, no one here has really claimed sympathy with anyone, except that some of us have claimed sympathy with peaceful proponents of a two-state solution.

 

[Caldera]

So let me get this straight- you believe that the cause of peace is best promoted by saying that anyone who does not support Israel is a jihadist?

I’m not going to hold your hand. Do the homework yourself, or end up believing what you want… (whatever that turns out to be)

 

[IbnFiktur]

I’m not going to hold your hand. Do the homework yourself, or end up believing what you want… (whatever that turns out to be)

You don’t have to… My academic specialty is the Middle East, and I believe I have a fair grasp of the Arab-Israeli conflict.

I also possess the common sense to realize that hate ads and misinformation do not forward the cause of peace.

 

[Caldera]

You don’t have to… My academic specialty is the Middle East, and I believe I have a fair grasp of the Arab-Israeli conflict.

I also possess the common sense to realize that hate ads and misinformation do not forward the cause of peace.

No mention of the anti-Israeli bus ads that started this mess?

 

[IbnFiktur]

No mention of the anti-Israeli bus ads that started this mess?

I am unaware of such ads, but I believe I mentioned in response to your earlier comments that I roundly condemn inflammatory hate ads from hard-liners on both sides.

 

[MidnightSun12]

I also possess the common sense to realize that hate ads and misinformation do not forward the cause of peace.

neither does pretending that there’s peace when peace only exists on one side of the fence. I think it’s very important that we expose the dangers of the Islamic faith to westerners before muslim populations grow the point that they start to form parallel cultures within our societies. The Islamic faith is not something to be promoted as an equal to christianity… it needs to be assimilated and kept in very manageable numbers.

With regards to the ads, however, I do concede that I would rather see criticism be directed towards the Islamic faith rather then the people (ie. we should be explaining how the religion is barbaric, not calling the people barbarians…)

 

[dzheremi]

The ad implicitly equates opposition to Israel with Jihad. The ad is wrong.

^ This.

What a stupid ad.

 

[Hokomai]

I don’t see the logic of the ads. Is it saying that we should support Israel by opposing jihad? Or that we should support Israel and oppose jihad? Or that we should oppose jihad by opposing Israel?

Incidentally, to the Catholic supporters of Israel - why do you support a country with liberal abortion laws against countries with highly restrictive abortion laws?