Anti-Mormonism.....

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why_me said:
Have you read the diary? In the Diary, Saint Faustina received alot of persecution from the sisters in the convent. Many were not very nice to her. Some judged her wrongly. But she showed them mercy.

In the case of antimormons, the judgements that came from such humans were unjust. The lds church was persecuted from its very beginning. No one deserves persecution. This is my point. If people had mercy in their hearts, such persecution would not have happened. And a lot of pain would have been avoided.
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Relaxation of anti-Catholicism in the revolutionary era
This phase of strong, blatant persecution of Catholicism came to a close during the revolutionary era (1763-1820).
traditioninaction.org/History/B_001_Colonies.html

Contemporary Jesuit diaries describe in horrible detail the inhuman atrocities suffered by their brother priests on both sides of the Canadian border. But sometimes Indians unresponsive to the friendly overtures of missionaries were converted by the saintly examples of their prisoners

FROM COLUMBUS TO THE TWENTIETH CENTURY
franciscanfriarstor.com/f…ory_part_I.htm

This book presents the history of two religious sects successfully established in seventeenth-century Massachusetts, where it was illegal to participate in any faith other than the legally established congregationalism of the Puritan founders of the colony.
amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0521525047

In 1656, the Friends of Society, also called Quakers, arrived in Boston and were greeted by quite a welcome wagon. The Puritans, the founders of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, had them whipped, jailed and hanged for breaking their strict religious codes that they enforced as laws. Yes, these were the folks who a quarter of a century before fled Europe in order to have religious freedom. Once here, however, they only wanted freedom for their own religion. The Quakers were banished from Boston and hung if they returned. Eventually an area called Pennsylvania
helium.com/tm/364298/firs…-quakers-early

Quakers: Persecution in colonial Massachusetts
A law was passed at the same time, subjecting every shipmaster importing Quakers or Quaker writings to a heavy fine; adjudging all Quakers who should intrude into the colony to stripes and labor in the house of correction, and all defenders of their tenets to fine, imprisonment, or exile…
 
RebeccaJ said:
Yet you are judging those who speak out against mormonism.
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Not really. I go by the words used. The words that have been used against the mormon leadership were very judgemental. And yet, no one on this board was there when JS lived and BY too. And yet, there is judgement.

As the message of Divne Mercy implies: “The message of The Divine Mercy is simple. It is that God loves us—all of us. And, he wants us to recognize that His mercy is greater than our sins, so that we will call upon him with trust, receive his mercy, and let it flow through us to others. Thus, all will come to share his joy”. (From the Divine Mercy website)

The antimormon posts were not very merciful.
 
why_me said:
Not really. I go by the words used. The words that have been used against the mormon leadership were very judgemental. And yet, no one on this board was there when JS lived and BY too. And yet, there is judgement.

As the message of Divne Mercy implies: “The message of The Divine Mercy is simple. It is that God loves us—all of us. And, he wants us to recognize that His mercy is greater than our sins, so that we will call upon him with trust, receive his mercy, and let it flow through us to others. Thus, all will come to share his joy”. (From the Divine Mercy website)

The antimormon posts were not very merciful.
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The way to cure mormons of their illness is to tell them the truth. And the truth about how they have been duped is sometimes bitter. Their false religion is based on Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, expose their dishonesty and mormonism falls.
 
dosdog said:
Relaxation of anti-Catholicism in the revolutionary era
This phase of strong, blatant persecution of Catholicism came to a close during the revolutionary era (1763-1820).
traditioninaction.org/History/B_001_Colonies.html

Contemporary Jesuit diaries describe in horrible detail the inhuman atrocities suffered by their brother priests on both sides of the Canadian border. But sometimes Indians unresponsive to the friendly overtures of missionaries were converted by the saintly examples of their prisoners

FROM COLUMBUS TO THE TWENTIETH CENTURY
franciscanfriarstor.com/f…ory_part_I.htm

This book presents the history of two religious sects successfully established in seventeenth-century Massachusetts, where it was illegal to participate in any faith other than the legally established congregationalism of the Puritan founders of the colony.
amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0521525047

In 1656, the Friends of Society, also called Quakers, arrived in Boston and were greeted by quite a welcome wagon. The Puritans, the founders of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, had them whipped, jailed and hanged for breaking their strict religious codes that they enforced as laws. Yes, these were the folks who a quarter of a century before fled Europe in order to have religious freedom. Once here, however, they only wanted freedom for their own religion. The Quakers were banished from Boston and hung if they returned. Eventually an area called Pennsylvania
helium.com/tm/364298/firs…-quakers-early

Quakers: Persecution in colonial Massachusetts
A law was passed at the same time, subjecting every shipmaster importing Quakers or Quaker writings to a heavy fine; adjudging all Quakers who should intrude into the colony to stripes and labor in the house of correction, and all defenders of their tenets to fine, imprisonment, or exile…
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…and none of these groups threatened, harassed and terrorized their neighbors, attempted to take a county by force, attempted to assasinate a State Governor, sacked and plundered a town, conspired to burn and plunder other towns, or attacked a state militia. :eek: , did they?

Anybody want to guess who that was, or would that be too ‘anti’?
 
why_me said:
Not really. I go by the words used. The words that have been used against the mormon leadership were very judgemental. And yet, no one on this board was there when JS lived and BY too. And yet, there is judgement.

As the message of Divne Mercy implies: “The message of The Divine Mercy is simple. It is that God loves us—all of us. And, he wants us to recognize that His mercy is greater than our sins, so that we will call upon him with trust, receive his mercy, and let it flow through us to others. Thus, all will come to share his joy”. (From the Divine Mercy website)

The antimormon posts were not very merciful.
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People who speak out against mormonism are using the words that mormon leaders use or have used and actions they take or have taken.

We can study what people wrote, what they said, what actions they took. And we can judge what people said and did. We can use our reasoning to determine an accurate representation of individuals, groups and societies. We do it all of the time.
 
RebeccaJ said:
People who speak out against mormonism are using the words that mormon leaders use or have used and actions they take or have taken.

We can study what people wrote, what they said, what actions they took. And we can judge what people said and did. We can use our reasoning to determine an accurate representation of individuals, groups and societies. We do it all of the time.
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:bowdown: :clapping:
 
zerinus said:
I will tell you what is wrong with this post. You are in the midst of a bunch of anti-Mormons, and complaining to them for being anti-Mormon! That is like complaining to the devil for being the devil! You don’t. You declare was on the devil and fight the devil; but you don’t complain to the devil. When you complain to the devil, you are treating him as though he was a gentleman, which he isn’t. If you treat the devil like a gentleman, he will jump on your back and have an easy ride. But if you hit him hard, then he knows his place and behaves himself as he should. The devil is no gentleman, and you don’t treat him as though he was one.

zerinus
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Go zerinus.
 
why_me said:
You will need to read the link to get the specifics. Your post is filled with judgementalism. It is your perception of mormonism and this perception would have been yours back in the early 19th century. Sometimes it is wise to leave the judgements to god. Humans tend to be bad judges in such matters as this.
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yet civilization cannot exist without some level of judgment. we have to judge what is right and wrong in order to pass laws. from the earliest days mormons chose to break those laws. once again I ask should we just allow religious groups to establish their own communities with their own practices exempt from the law? do you think the FLDS should be free from “persecution”?
 
zerinus said:
I will tell you what is wrong with this post. You are in the midst of a bunch of anti-Mormons, and complaining to them for being anti-Mormon! That is like complaining to the devil for being the devil! You don’t. You declare was on the devil and fight the devil; but you don’t complain to the devil. When you complain to the devil, you are treating him as though he was a gentleman, which he isn’t. If you treat the devil like a gentleman, he will jump on your back and have an easy ride. But if you hit him hard, then he knows his place and behaves himself as he should. The devil is no gentleman, and you don’t treat him as though he was one.

zerinus
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wow. from apostate to the devil. yep zerinus and the mormons sure are the victims of antimormon propaganda:rolleyes:
 
zerinus said:
I will drive you out a lot sooner.

zerinus
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I have my own car.

edit: oh wait, now I get it. lol You thought I meant, go, as in adios amigo. I was cheering on your devilish tirade. Not out of support, but out of mercy.
 
zerinus said:
I will tell you what is wrong with this post. You are in the midst of a bunch of anti-Mormons, and complaining to them for being anti-Mormon! That is like complaining to the devil for being the devil! You don’t. You declare was on the devil and fight the devil; but you don’t complain to the devil. When you complain to the devil, you are treating him as though he was a gentleman, which he isn’t. If you treat the devil like a gentleman, he will jump on your back and have an easy ride. But if you hit him hard, then he knows his place and behaves himself as he should. The devil is no gentleman, and you don’t treat him as though he was one.

zerinus
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At times it is good for some antis to see a reflection of themselves in the mirror. In this case, the mirror is quite old. But still being used.
 
hosemonkey said:
Rebecca J.
he might want to make you one of his wives.:eek:
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While in Utah, I was approached by polygamous ‘missionaries’. I think that it could be quite nice to have two or three wives complete with 15 children. But…I did not further the conversation.
 
why_me said:
Hopefully, you will begin to read the Diary of St. Faustina. It is full of mercy, also for Mormons and the LDS church…😉
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I think you are interpreting Saint Faustina’s words incorrectly. There is a difference between Mercy and tolerance for the sake of tolerance. You and the other mormons here have been treated with much Mercy - you have been allowed to state your point of view, the error of your ways has been shown to you with much time spent finding quotes and proofs to back up what has been said and we have prayed for you. You are asking us all to tolerate your errors and to let you continue to believe in and to spread falsehoods without challenge.

It is not merciful to stand idly by while someone makes such a huge mistake and their eternal salvation is at stake.
 
why_me said:
lightplanet.com/mormons/response/general/Publications_EOM.htm

Read this and see the antimormonism that has existed in the United Sates. I have to admit that it does ring true for this section of the forum. I have this feeling that some catholics here would fit right in with antimormon history. 😦 What say you? :confused:
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I dislike when any poster uses terms like “nutjob” in reference to Brigham Young or “crapola” to describe a website that opposes Mormon ideas. The problem with these terms is, at best they teach us nothing, and at worst they are insulting and disrespectful.

When we make reasoned arguments for the error in someone’s teaching or explain how a website misrepresents the doctrines of a given faith, then we’re actually engaging in discussion and probably learning something.

It matters little to me how William O. Nelson defines anti-Mormonism. It matters very much to me that Mormons on these boards are heard and respected. (Of course, that is a two-way street and like Catholics, some Mormons are better than others at showing charity.)

Please consider Philothea 53’s post prayerfully. Let’s all pray for charitable posts on CAF, both from others and ourselves.
 
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