Anti-Mornonism in the email from Catholic Answers!

[Nan_S]

[A certain candidate’s political activist] listed the churches the campaign needed to mobilize: “Assembly of God, Baptist, Church of God, Nazarenes, Lutheran, non-denominational, Pentecostal, Presbyterian, Reformed, Word of Faith.” And which to avoid: Catholics and Mormons, who were lumped together with "any church you know to be liberal on issues such as abortion and protecting traditional marriage."

Today is primary election day here in Louisiana. As one of those Catholics being lumped together with pro-abortion and anti-marriage liberals by any candidate’s supporters, I am just sick. How can ANYBODY even suggest that Catholicism is pro-abortion and anti-marriage?

Oh, I forgot. He was probably thinking about certain very prominent liberal Democratic politicians who are Catholic-in-name-only. Gee, I really appreciate being lumped in with those idiots whom we have been opposing for years.

There is nobody left on the Republican side whom I can vote “for”. On my side of the fence we have a choice between religiously bigoted poisonous vitriol and politically expedient liberalism. And across the fence we have flat-out radical liberalism.

Louisiana has a “Presidential Preference Poll” instead of a real primary. All of the delegates go to the convention officially Uncommitted with the voters merely “suggesting” whom they should select. That in mind, I may just stay home today.

 

[why_me]

And you are silent. madb posters call the Holy Trinity a heresy, and you are silent. They twist Scripture around to “prove” their polytheism. They defend immoral behaviors such as polygamy. You say nothing.

I find the whole trinity debate frustrating and I don’t care about it that much. I think that the whole debate when it occurs is just foolish. However, when mormons discuss it, they discuss it in terms of just what they believe and just what the other christian groups believe.

But I find the whole debate just a quibble over apples and oranges.

I find polygamy okay when it occured in the lds church. I see nothing wrong with it. And I do defend it on the mormon board against those who come and criticize it, especially if it is virulent criticism. .

 

[why_me]

You are as I have already stated, passive-aggressive, towards Catholicism and Catholics.

If any mormon on the mormonapologetic site had the anticatholic tone as those catholics have here about mormonism you would see a different why me on that forum.

I am in favor of debate but the tone needs to be respectful.

 

[Nan_S]

I find the whole trinity debate frustrating and I don’t care about it that much. I think that the whole debate when it occurs is just foolish. However, when mormons discuss it, they discuss it in terms of just what they believe and just what the other christian groups believe.

But I find the whole debate just a quibble over apples and oranges.

I find polygamy okay. I see nothing wrong with it. And I do defend it on the mormon board against those who come and criticize it, especially if it is virulent criticism. .

OK - this is definitely getting off-topic.

But you started the thread. So if you want to take it there, go ahead.

 

[why_me]

Today is primary election day here in Louisiana. As one of those Catholics being lumped together with pro-abortion and anti-marriage liberals by any candidate’s supporters, I am just sick. How can ANYBODY even suggest that Catholicism is pro-abortion and anti-marriage?

Oh, I forgot. He was probably thinking about certain very prominent liberal Democratic politicians who are Catholic-in-name-only. Gee, I really appreciate being lumped in with those idiots whom we have been opposing for years.

I can sympathize with you. It seems that people judge catholicism by the actions of certain individuals and their behavior. I tend to think that catholics in general know little of their own faith and just what it believes. In some way, catholics need to be examples for others to follow and there is no better way then to follow just what the cathecism says on social justice and morality. And of course that goes for catholic politicians also.

I think that TV stations like EWTN are now addressing the issue and they seem to be doing it well. But it will take a very long time.

But the anticatholic, antimormon political culture can be very much alive in the south. You will have a many acres to break sod on that is for sure.

 

[why_me]

OK - this is definitely getting off-topic.

But you started the thread. So if you want to take it there, go ahead.

No, I was just responding to rebecca who brought it up in way of explanation for my behavior. I certainly don’t want that debate on this thread. But at times the catholic posters change the goal posts and I need to go there.

 

[RebeccaJ]

No, I was just responding to rebecca who brought it up in way of explanation for my behavior. I certainly don’t want that debate on this thread. But at times the catholic posters change the goal posts and I need to go there.

It is not a changing of the goal posts. You post things like this to show how awful and unbalanced Catholics here, at this forum, are compared to madb. You make this comparison all of the time, and now you pretend that you aren’t? When you’ve made that very comparison in this thread?

My response is to that.

 

[Nan_S]

But the anticatholic, antimormon political culture can be very much alive in the south. You will have a many acres to break sod on that is for sure.

I was transplanted into the South some 17 years ago. I’ve always thought of this region as being politically conservative. But I find some appalling extremes of educational, social and religious ignorance - and bigotry - have taken lasting root. I am disgusted by the “pride in ignorance” that I’ve found here, particularly when you get away from the more affluent urban areas.

What upsets me is that such ignorance gets echoed and magnified in political campaigns, and mobilizes far too many people to reject those proven politically conservative principles and vote based on their fears.

Unfortunately, I can not agree with you that Catholics and Mormons should bond together to fight Protestant bigotry. There is too much of a theological gulf between us to present a united front against anything on religious grounds.

 

[Exalt]

So, Exalt, you’re on record for attributing this to Karl Keating.

And, for not knowing the difference between Christianity and mormon pantheology.

Tsk tsk.

Robert

And Karl Keating is the president of this organization, so he’s responsible ultimately, even if it was written by someone else.

Also, the e-mail was signed:

" Sincerely in Christ,

                    Karl Keating 
                    President"

So I dunno how you can scold me for saying Mr. Keating wasn’t responsible.

This e-mail basically seems like it fuels anti-Mormon sentiment with the goal of making cash. With quotes like:

“Confronting the Mormon Threat”
“Think the Mormons are just a group of nice folks who uphold family values, clean living, and American patriotism? Think again.”

Just send in your check and you’ll help start dealing with the imminent threat of the Mormon Missionary, lurking behind your neighborhood church!!

 

[why_me]

It is not a changing of the goal posts. You post things like this to show how awful and unbalanced Catholics here, at this forum, are compared to madb. You make this comparison all of the time, and now you pretend that you aren’t? When you’ve made that very comparison in this thread?

My response is to that.

My whole thing is tone, Rebecca. The email had the wrong tone. And many posters that post antilds comments have the wrong tone. Sure people can disagree but it is the way they disagree. Let me put it this way: In The Sacrament of Reconciliation it states in question form:

Do I despise those of another creed, color or opinion?

Do I judge without mercy in thoughts and words?

Do I speak ill…

I do think that those at Catholic Answers need to go to confession tomorrow and confess their sins as do many of the catholics who posted antimormon posts.

I do try to follow The Sacrament of Confession when I search my conscience.

 

[ibkc]

I find the whole trinity debate frustrating and I don’t care about it that much. I think that the whole debate when it occurs is just foolish. However, when mormons discuss it, they discuss it in terms of just what they believe and just what the other christian groups believe.

But I find the whole debate just a quibble over apples and oranges.

I find polygamy okay when it occured in the lds church. I see nothing wrong with it.

You, sir (or ma’am) are a hardcore relativist. Why on earth do you insist on straddling two religions which each hold very strict, and mutually exclusive doctrines? You honestly sound like a Unitarian Universalist with your lack of firm belief in anything.

 

[why_me]

Unfortunately, I can not agree with you that Catholics and Mormons should bond together to fight Protestant bigotry. There is too much of a theological gulf between us to present a united front against anything on religious grounds.

What bonds us all, whether we be catholic, mormon and protestant is that we are human beings and should be doing the words of christ in our daily actions whether in our community or within our workplaces or home. And we can all agree on following the words of christ to make our small world a better place. It all starts with Love your neighbor, love your enemy and by putting the gospel of Mother Teresa to heart by remembering her way to live the gospel through Christ’s words: **‘You did it to me’ **

 

[why_me]

You, sir (or ma’am) are a hardcore relativist. Why on earth do you insist on straddling two religions which each hold very strict, and mutually exclusive doctrines? You honestly sound like a Unitarian Universalist with your lack of firm belief in anything.

No, I am just a human being that can see good in both faiths. I have mormon children and they are doing fine and they have no problem with me going back to the catholic church if it brings me closer to god. You see, it can work, if one wants it to work.

 

[zerinus]

Today is primary election day here in Louisiana. As one of those Catholics being lumped together with pro-abortion and anti-marriage liberals by any candidate’s supporters, I am just sick. How can ANYBODY even suggest that Catholicism is pro-abortion and anti-marriage?

In the same way that Catholics here suggest that Mormonism is “pro-abortion”. Good to see Catholics being beaten with their own stick!

There is nobody left on the Republican side whom I can vote “for”. On my side of the fence we have a choice between religiously bigoted poisonous vitriol and politically expedient liberalism. And across the fence we have flat-out radical liberalism.

zerinus

 

[jmcrae]

As far as I know, Mike Huckabee is still on the ballot; he hasn’t quit yet.

 

[zerinus]

As far as I know, Mike Huckabee is still on the ballot; he hasn’t quit yet.

And so? He is also way behind, and has no chance of winning. So why did he run at all?

zerinus

 

[jmcrae]

And so? He is also way behind, and has no chance of winning. So why did he run at all?

zerinus

It’s not a horse race; he can still get in.

 

[Nan_S]

I believe that __________'s candidacy was scuppered by the Evangelical Protestants. They made ___________ to run as a stalking horse in order to split the conservative vote, …

zerinus

Z,

I already gave you links to the Forum Rules earlier today. Have you been too busy typing to read the rules?

“CAF is banning all discussions of political candidates. This ban includes posts that name a candidate, allude to a particular candidate, use euphemisms for a candidate, or refer to surrogates for a particular candidate.”

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=156527
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=140872

 

[zerinus]

Z,

I already gave you links to the Forum Rules earlier today. Have you been too busy typing to read the rules?

“CAF is banning all discussions of political candidates. This ban includes posts that name a candidate, allude to a particular candidate, use euphemisms for a candidate, or refer to surrogates for a particular candidate.”

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=156527
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=140872

Then you must have missed this post:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=3298621&postcount=10

zerinus

 

[why_me]

Lets not get this thread closed. No more mention of candidates. Lets stick to the thread about CA sending antimormon emails to some of tis members to elicit fear factor support for the organization.