Anti-Mornonism in the email from Catholic Answers!

[majick275]

political correctness and religious tolerance can be taken too far. look at the issues with the muslim communities in the Netherlands, france and the UK. we can’t just say everything is okay and everyone can do what they want and we will never say anything negative about it.

False prophets are a danger that we have been warned about. false doctrine, teachers, offensive practices…all are condemned in the Bible. we have to denounce these things lest we aid in teh deception of others through our lack of action. don’t carry this to absurdity, no one here wants violence or mobs. we DO want to speak out against false teachings. there is nothing wrong with that and the mormons certainly do the same. quit with the revisionist history of the mobs and early mormons too. those mobs weren’t there because of any theology, they were there because of JS bilking people out of money, attempting to seduce their wives and daughters and threats of mormon “takeover” in some areas as well as the unwillingness to submit to the law.

 

[why_me]

why me and Claudius, both of your last posts are ugly and confrontational. why me, your “CA tract” is over the top and utterly fictional.

You are right it is fictional. But if you read this thread there are members of this forum who support the wording of the original email. And that is scary. It doesn’t take much to push it further in the direction that I wrote my ‘tract’. There is always a fine line in separation.

And mormons do have a history where they have been driven from their homes and many mormons were murdered. Fear is never a good way to get support.

But rational thinking is a fine way to get support.

 

[Claudius]

why me and Claudius, both of your last posts are ugly and confrontational. why me, your “CA tract” is over the top and utterly fictional. Claudius, your jabs at individual Mormoms, especially the young missionaries, are just cruel, and the comparison to Nazis is well over the top. I disagree vehemently with Mormon “theology” but all my experience is that individual Mormons are nice people who have been seriously misled.

I don’t see how I am being cruel to the two missionaries who ride their bikes on the wrong side of the street and the side walk and hip people. I don’t see how it is confrontaional or fictional to ackowledge the truth about the mormons. These people come to me and my poeple and lie to us about our ancestory. God put on were we are. I don’t see any charity from the mormons when they show up and tell us that were are broken spiritually and that God is punishing us for it by making us NOT WHITE but if we become good little mormons then we will become WHITE and be able to go to heaven where only WHITE people can go.

Yah, I compare them to Nazis. Anyone else out here not see the conection?

 

[why_me]

Some mormon college student probably made this letter up late one night just so he could have something, anything to complain about.

I hope that you are right. I certainly do not want catholic answers to be responsible for it. I would much rather have a mormon college student write it and be responsible for it. It would be nice if CA would claim responsibility or deny responsibility.

 

[why_me]

Comrades, we need to confront the mormon threat. The mormons are taking over our great country. If we are not viligent, the mormons by 2050 will number 50 million. Comrade catholics, we must do something about the great mormon threat.

Do you want your catholic neighborhood overrun by mormon scoundrels who worship the con man Joseph Smith? No, Of course not! Do you think that mormons are a group of people who uphold good clean family values and clean living? Think again! Do you think that mormons are just a peaceful group of human beings content to worship their faith in harmony and freedom, Think again! Do you think that mormonism is just another form of christianity? think again!

Comrades, the time has come to confront this menace in our society. Over one hundred and sixty years ago we dealt with this menace by driving them out of our neighborshoods.

Now is the time to act!!!

Doesn’t it sound awful and of course there is nothing to prevent such a tract from appearing. But it is also hate literature.

This was a fictional text written by me to prove a point. The point: there is a fine line between fear and paranoria. My text above is filled with paranoria but the original text in my OP is fraught with fear, in my humble opinion.

 

[Jerusha]

I may be a bit more politically correct, Claudius, but I agree 95% with what ou have to say.

 

[Jerusha]

If I had written the letter it would have been much more stronglly worded.

As someone who can read Egytian I am still looking for a mormon who will debate with me about the “reformed Egytian” garbage that Smith put out.
And the magical disappearing gold plates.

As a Native American, I demand an apology from every mormon I meet in regards to lying about my ancestory. and history.

As a Christian I demand an apology from every mormon for trying to hijack our name, our church and our savior and lying about Jesus. And putting words in His mouth that He never would have said.

As someone who is Not White, I demand an apology from every mormon for their racist beliefs and policies. and belief that “melanin count” is a reflection of the state of a person’s soul, and that racism is a just punishment for the sins of one’ ancestors.

As an American Citizen I demand an apology from every mormon for dishonoring and defaming America’s reputaion around the world. they ARE the “Ugly Americans”

As I husband I demand an apology from every mormon for their disrespect of women.
As a woman of native ancestry, I protest their use of the word “Laman”, which in Old Norse, means “concubine”, or “receptacle for a man’s sexuality”

As a father I demand an apology from every mormon for their support of abortion and contraception.

As a human being I demand an apology from every mormon for the large number of killing that they have committed as well as the great harm to society in general that they continue to purpotrate. “blood atonement”-- NEED i SAY ANYTHING ELSE?

As a pedestrian I demand an apology from every mormon for the reckless and dangerous way the ambiguously gay duo of missionaries ride their bikes up and down my street hitting pregnant women and old people with canes.

As an art lover I demand an apology from every mormon for the down right disgusting statue of Jesus that they have on their website.

Let us all join together and stop the mormons before they ruin the world. We could stop the Nazis but obviously God is telling us that we aren’t finished yet.
So few people understand the similarities./quote]

 

[Claudius]

I may be a bit more politically correct, Claudius, but I agree 95% with what ou have to say.

People do often notice my manner more then my message sometime but I suppose I gave up on being politically correct the millionth time I was called the N word. I am not even black but I suppose most racist just can’t think up another word to use. I actually do think of myself as trying to help some of these people with tough love. Some people think I am wrong in my approach but I am in obediance to Christ, the Pope, the Church and my priest and I will not bend for any bigot in any religion or from any race or country that tells me I am not allowed to worship God as Jesus taught us.

 

[ibkc]

I don’t see how I am being cruel to the two missionaries who ride their bikes on the wrong side of the street and the side walk and hip people. I don’t see how it is confrontaional or fictional to ackowledge the truth about the mormons. These people come to me and my poeple and lie to us about our ancestory. God put on were we are. I don’t see any charity from the mormons when they show up and tell us that were are broken spiritually and that God is punishing us for it by making us NOT WHITE but if we become good little mormons then we will become WHITE and be able to go to heaven where only WHITE people can go.

Yah, I compare them to Nazis. Anyone else out here not see the conection?

I find their racist theology to be offensive, too. It is born of 19th century backwoods ignorance and to me, is the single most persuasive argument against Mormonism. God created all of us to be what we are, and he did not create whole races of people to be “cursed” because of the color of their skin. But as ignorant and offensive as their beliefs are, they’re not shipping Native Americans and black people off to be killed by the millions, nor have any of them expressed a desire to do that as far as I know. Therefore, the comparison to the Nazis is way over the top, IMO.

 

[Jerusha]

It stops just short of that, and what can it morph into, if not that? Do you think the process of reservationization and starvation had some parallels in Nazi Europe? Are you aware that Hitler used it as a basic blueprint for his “process”?

 

[ibkc]

It stops just short of that, and what can it morph into, if not that? Do you think the process of reservationization and starvation had some parallels in Nazi Europe? Are you aware that Hitler used it as a basic blueprint for his “process”?

Were the Mormons involved in establishing federal reservation policy? What is your evidence that the Mormons’ beliefs “stop just short of” the wholesale slaughter of millions?

 

[Jerusha]

Were the Mormons involved in establishing federal reservation policy?
No, not by themselves. the American mind-set produced federal policies towards Natives-- just as it produced Mormonism. They have the same root.
What is your evidence that the Mormons’ beliefs “stop just short of” the wholesale slaughter of millions? Perhaps if you take a look at the gestalt of “blood atonement” and the Indian placement program (deculturation), and emphasis on the content of a person’s DNA rather than the content of a person’s character, you might have a glimmering of understanding.

 

[ibkc]

Perhaps if you take a look at the gestalt of “blood atonement” and the Indian placement program (deculturation), and emphasis on the content of a person’s DNA rather than the content of a person’s character, you might have a glimmering of understanding.

I’ve already said I find the Mormons’ theology to be abhorrantly racist, and I do - both the theory and the practice. But I still see no evidence that they have ever desired anything on the level of Nazi Germany’s total annihilation of anything and everything Jewish by means of mass slaughter.

 

[Jerusha]

But I still see no evidence that they have ever desired anything on the level of Nazi Germany’s total annihilation of anything and everything Jewish by means of mass slaughter.

I agree with that. However, their beliefs stop just short of that, and it is easy for individuals, raised in that cultural climate, to morph on to neo-Naziism. I could provide some examples of the subtle forms of genocide employed in American, and LDS culture, but I would prefer not to at this time.

 

[Valke2]

political correctness and religious tolerance can be taken too far.

That may be correct in theory, and I have heard it said often. However, I’ve yet to find an example of taking religious tolerance too far.

 

[majick275]

well the problem seems to arise when one extends complete freedom to a religion that itself does not promote tolerance. there are multiple examples right now in the netherlands, UK and france where radicals have been allowed to come in and freely exercise their religion and they have separated themselves from the rest of the society and imposed their own theocratic rules in their areas resulting in violence. it is more like an invasion than an immigration.

obviously some religions by their very nature could not be given much freedom. (i am talking about extreme voodoo, santeria, etc.) the USA has often times intervened in churches that go to far. (church of jesus christ christian, FLDS, branch davidians, etc.) some things cannot be tolerated. (spouse abuse, child marriages, drug use, honor killings, etc.)

 

[RAR]

well the problem seems to arise when one extends complete freedom to a religion that itself does not promote tolerance. there are multiple examples right now in the netherlands, UK and france where radicals have been allowed to come in and freely exercise their religion and they have separated themselves from the rest of the society and imposed their own theocratic rules in their areas resulting in violence. it is more like an invasion than an immigration.

obviously some religions by their very nature could not be given much freedom. (i am talking about extreme voodoo, santeria, etc.) the USA has often times intervened in churches that go to far. (church of jesus christ christian, FLDS, branch davidians, etc.) some things cannot be tolerated. (spouse abuse, child marriages, drug use, honor killings, etc.)

Interesting, can you tell us more? Branch Davidians, I remember, but what about the other two you mentioned? And what are the FLDS?

Thank you,
RAR

 

[majick275]

the church of jesus christ christian was the church of the aryan nations a very dangerous white supremacist group in the US that adopted nazi philosophy to create a very twisted shadow of christianity.

The FLDS is the fundamentalist Latter day Saints… a polygamous splinter group from the mormons that has along history of violence and sexual abuse. they are one of the better known of many small polygamous groups that broke away from mainstream mormons after the manifesto ended the earthly practice of plural marriage. some of those groups are rather peaceful but the FLDS have had a lot of trouble with the law.

 

[cathgal]

Zooey:

because they use just enough Christian vocabulary

to:crying: suck in those who are not well-instructed.
(Mind you, I think a call for some prayers for these bewildered folks would not go amiss…)
You got that right !

And what better way to start out by calling their church as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saint

What Jesus got to do w/ their church?! Certainly not the Jesus we know!

More like Church of Joseph Smith of Latter Day Saint.

Very deceptive of them to use the name Jesus to prey on those ignorant Christians, especially Catholics!

 

[cathgal]

People on this forum also received the email. I have no idea why some people got it and others didn’t. .

Could it be that only Catholics received it?

It was addressed to Catholics, not non-Cathos.

If non-Catholic, you shouldn’t be reading it else you’d end up being very upset.

I’m sure Mormons have their saying about other religions behind closed door too.