Anti-Mornonism in the email from Catholic Answers!

[why_me]

Then you must have missed this post:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=3298621&postcount=10

zerinus

This post…that post…but this thread could be closed unless we get back to the topic of the OP.

I have to wonder why some were chosen and others not chosen. I suppose that those who got the email must have been on the A-list.

 

[zerinus]

This post…that post…but this thread could be closed unless we get back to the topic of the OP.

How was that off topic?

zerinus

 

[PaulDupre]

No, I am just a human being that can see good in both faiths. I have mormon children and they are doing fine and they have no problem with me going back to the catholic church if it brings me closer to god. You see, it can work, if one wants it to work.

Every Mormon knows what happened to those who were “fence-sitters” in the pre-existence. What do Mormons think will happen to those who are fence-sitters in mortality?

Paul

 

[Nan_S]

No, I am just a human being that can see good in both faiths. I have mormon children and they are doing fine and they have no problem with me going back to the catholic church if it brings me closer to god. You see, it can work, if one wants it to work.

From the way you state your position, I hope your children are grown. Because if they are still your dependents and you are saying this, it’s scary. A parent’s responsibility is to lead and educate his/her children while they are young, and not to defer to their immature youthful opinions.

The Catholic Church recognizes that all religions have some elements of truth, because God has written the basic elements of Natural Law into the hearts of all human beings.

However, the Catholic Church rejects the notion that she is just one of several equally good alternatives. For instance, the Mormon understanding of who and what Jesus is and how He came to be (a next-generation spirit-child of the Father) is completely at odds with the Catholic (begotten, not made, co-existent with the Father and the Holy Spirit from all eternity).

Yes, most Mormons are good people. Yes, they strive to know God and do His will. In this way they are like the rest of us, but also like well-intended Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Animists, Pagans… Seeing Good in these other faiths is a start, but, my friend, it is not nearly the same thing as seeing Truth.

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

842 The Church’s bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:
All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city.
843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as “a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life.”
844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:
Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.
845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son’s Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is “the world reconciled.” She is that bark which “in the full sail of the Lord’s cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world.” According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah’s ark, which alone saves from the flood.

 

[zerinus]

From the way you state your position, I hope your children are grown. Because if they are still your dependents and you are saying this, it’s scary. A parent’s responsibility is to lead and educate his/her children while they are young, and not to defer to their immature youthful opinions.

The Catholic Church recognizes that all religions have some elements of truth, because God has written the basic elements of Natural Law into the hearts of all human beings.

However, the Catholic Church rejects the notion that she is just one of several equally good alternatives. For instance, the Mormon understanding of who and what Jesus is and how He came to be (a next-generation spirit-child of the Father) is completely at odds with the Catholic (begotten, not made, co-existent with the Father and the Holy Spirit from all eternity).

Yes, most Mormons are good people. Yes, they strive to know God and do His will. In this way they are like the rest of us, but also like well-intended Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Animists, Pagans… Seeing Good in these other faiths is a start, but, my friend, it is not nearly the same thing as seeing Truth.

I thought that was “off topic”!

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

842 The Church’s bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:
All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city.
843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as “a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life.”
844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:
Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.
845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son’s Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is “the world reconciled.” She is that bark which “in the full sail of the Lord’s cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world.” According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah’s ark, which alone saves from the flood.

Here is what you might call the LDS equivalent of that, previously posted in another thread:

“The great religious leaders of the world such as Mohammed, Confucius, and the Reformers, as well as philosophers including Socrates, Plato, and others, received a portion of God’s light. Moral truths were given to them by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals. … We believe that God has given and will give to all peoples sufficient knowledge to help them on their way to eternal salvation” (“Statement of the First Presidency regarding God’s Love for All Mankind,” 15 February 1978).

I think I like our one better!

zerinus

 

[kellie]

You know that this email was a blatant antimormon piece that the catholic church would never endorse, right? I know that catholic answers is just a zealous organization that defends catholicm but I do think that mainstream priests would not condone this email at all.

Catholic Answers is a zealous organization that defends Catholicism !!!

How dare they !!!

How dare an organization with the word “catholic” in it, defend zealously (actively, devotedly, diligently) the Catholic faith !!

I would never have guessed

With all sincerity whyme, why this thread?

I have just started reading it, and saw what u typed here, and fair dinkum, what do u truly expect CA to do?

 

[valient_Lucy]

I’m afraid i will have to agree on the styole of CA solicitations, especially by mail. They are pretty indistinguishable from those that come from extreme political organizations, and frankly I am embarrassed by them. My roommate has been receiving these mail solicitations for a couple of years, mostly they go immediately into the trash because they all seem to be trying to pump up fear and loathing.

I am totally in favor of all efforts to oppose the cults and sects that cause the divisions in Chrisitianity, and I applaud CA efforts and hope hope they continue to oppose these. Yet the STYLE of this especailly in the solicitation of money, is not worthy of a Catholic organization, that is my opinon.

I have to agree that some of the letters asking for money can adopt an extremist tone, as can letters from nearly every other political, religious, or social organization. The thinking probably is that if they tell people how well they are doing, then people will not feel the need to give any money.

Same thing with negative campaign ads. Everyone hates having to watch ads on how “Candidate A sacrifices virgins!” and “Candidate B drinks puppy’s blood!” and yet, by all accounts, negative attack ads work.

 

[Neurosturgeon]

I got the email and I was shocked. As a former Mormon who is looking into the Catholic faith as an alternative, I find it highly offensive that these attacks are happening.

Someone ought to keep these thoughts in mind:

Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they shall have their fill.

Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. 8 Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called children of God.

Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

It looks pretty “official” to me - I have posted the closing footer.

Confronting the New
Mormon Threat

Facts about the Mormon Threat

    FACT: In 1984, sociologist Rodney Stark predicted that the Mormon church would grow at a rate of 30%–50% per decade for the next several decades, reaching from 70 million to possibly as high as 280 million members by the year 2080. He said it would be “the first new major world religion since Islam.”

    Indeed, from 1984 to 2000, the church actually grew at an average rate of 52% per decade, outpacing the upper bound on Stark’s prediction.

    FACT: When Mormon missionaries make their first contact with a person in the home of a Mormon friend or relative, a conversion will result 50% of the time.

    FACT: Each year, the Mormon church baptizes 300,000 converts. (That’s 800 a day—or another million every three years.) Half or more of them are Catholics.

    The time to act is now—or we risk losing many Catholics to the Mormon faith in the decade ahead.

                        Simply put, we must not allow false teachers to mislead Catholics. 
                        Yet that’s exactly what Mormon theology is doing, even as you 
                         read this letter.

    Won’t you please make a special sacrifice and send your gift of $35 … $75 … or perhaps $150 or more today for this important project and all the good works of Catholic Answers.

    May God bless you for all you do in defense of the faith!

                                Sincerely in Christ,

                                Karl Keating 
                                President

P.S. The Mormon religion is dangerous. Even our Protestant brethren agree that Mormonism is non-Christian. And yet, Mormonism is flourishing in America.

        Mormons especially target poorly catechized Catholics. (Worldwide, Catholics make up half the converts to Mormonism.)

        We can’t let this continue. Please send your most generous gift of $35 ... $75 ... even $150 or more so Catholic Answers can fight the errors of Mormonism.

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[Rbt_Southwell]

So, neurosturgeon,

How does the explanation of Mormonism and its unChristian origins and beliefs be considered an uncharitable act??

There is no statement that those believing in plural gods and celestial marriages (contra to what Jesus said about “neither will they marry nor be married in heaven”); the mark of Cain for black people; eternal progression; Jesus and lucifer as “spirit brothers;” no Trinity; et cetera and et cetera are NOT GOOD PEOPLE OR LOVING PARENTS AND CHILDREN OR PATRIOTIC CITIZENS.

What is addressed is the goofy, pantheology of mormonism: its bogus allegations about the Bible being “insufficient,” and the Church being in ‘apostasy.’

The Family Stuff is the come on: the real problem is the islamic-style theological outlook that Jesus is NOT the Son of God but a son of a god like every good mormon will be (wearing his eternal smile) on another planet.

THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

Robert

 

[why_me]

From the way you state your position, I hope your children are grown. Because if they are still your dependents and you are saying this, it’s scary. A parent’s responsibility is to lead and educate his/her children while they are young, and not to defer to their immature youthful opinions.

My children are grown and doing fine in Mormonism. In fact, they can be considered better catholics than most catholics since they follow the moral code of the cathecism very wel even though they were raised LDS.

I would think that god is pleased with my children. I have no idea just how my daughters would now be if they were raised catholic. I know that from some of my own catholic relatives, alcohol abuse plays a role in these relative’s lives. Not to mention other things.

I can not complain about my children. So far (thank god) they are doing well.

 

[why_me]

I got the email and I was shocked. As a former Mormon who is looking into the Catholic faith as an alternative, I find it highly offensive that these attacks are happening.

It looks pretty “official” to me - I have posted the closing footer.

May God bless you for all you do in defense of the faith!

Sincerely in Christ,

Karl Keating
President

P.S. The Mormon religion is dangerous. Even our Protestant brethren agree that Mormonism is non-Christian. And yet, Mormonism is flourishing in America.

Mormons especially target poorly catechized Catholics. (Worldwide, Catholics make up half the converts to Mormonism.)

Time is of the essence. Please let us hear from you today!

Click here to donate now . . . and receive your special reports to distribute to your friends, family, and Mormon acquaintances.

I did not see this part of the email before. Now I must say that it is over the top. It sounds like the crusades are beginning.

Unforunately, it is the the Protestant brothers and sisters that are catechizing the poor catholics in africa and latin america. I guess Catholic Answers hasn’t heard of the EV’s doing massive conversions in those areas. But hey, blame it on the mormons especially if it works.

 

[why_me]

So, neurosturgeon,

How does the explanation of Mormonism and its unChristian origins and beliefs be considered an uncharitable act??

THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

Robert

The tone of the email is the problem. It is warlike and full of fear. Not good in any circumstance. The email takes a mormon back to the good ol’ days when such tracts were printed and distributed in the 1830’s and mobs would then come and burn down houses and churches, shooting men, women and children.

Perhaps mormons should reconstitute the Danites and form their own militias again.

 

[zerinus]

May God bless you for all you do in defense of the faith!

Sincerely in Christ,

Karl Keating
President

P.S. The Mormon religion is dangerous. Even our Protestant brethren agree that Mormonism is non-Christian. And yet, Mormonism is flourishing in America.

Mormons especially target poorly catechized Catholics. (Worldwide, Catholics make up half the converts to Mormonism.)

Time is of the essence. Please let us hear from you today!

Click here to donate now . . . and receive your special reports to distribute to your friends, family, and Mormon acquaintances.

I did not see this part of the email before. Now I must say that it is over the top. It sounds like the crusades are beginning.

Unforunately, it is the the Protestant brothers and sisters that are catechizing the poor catholics in africa and latin america. I guess Catholic Answers hasn’t heard of the EV’s doing massive conversions in those areas. But hey, blame it on the mormons especially if it works.

Can somebody post the complete text of the two emails that were sent? Apparently two emails were sent, the complete text of neither of which as peen posted on the boards. I am very interested to read the complete text of both emails. It is hard to make a proper assessment of them without having the complete texts.

zerinus

PS. I just noticed that the complete text of one is posted above. But the second one has not been posted. Perhaps someone can post the second one as well please.

 

[why_me]

Can somebody post the complete text of the two emails that were sent? Apparently two emails were sent, the complete text of neither of which as peen posted on the boards. I am very interested to read the complete text of both emails. It is hard to make a proper assessment of them without having the complete texts.

zerinus

PS. I just noticed that the complete text of one is posted above. But the second one has not been posted. Perhaps someone can post the second one as well please.

I thought that the same email was posted twice and not that there were two separate emails with different texts.

 

[zerinus]

I thought that the same email was posted twice and not that there were two separate emails with different texts.

There were apparently two emails. Nan posted parts of the other email in her thread as follows:

Mormonism is enjoying a resurgence in popularity and interest, in part because of election news coverage.

The “new Mormon threat” is more serious than ever before. With all the talk about it in the media due to the presidential election, more and more people are curious about Mormonism and are visiting Mormon web sites. But these web sites are highly deceptive.

The Mormon church has been in the news a lot recently. The head of the church, styled its “prophet,” recently died. Many dignitaries attended his funeral, including a major political candidate whose Mormonism has been discussed a lot these last few months.

Mormon evangelists have been taking advantage of their church being in the headlines. They have been doing their best to invite Americans to take a closer look at their religion.

…we had to write a special report…It’s this powerful, eye-opening report that we need to get into the hands of as many Catholics as possible—as quickly as possible—before the Mormon juggernaut picks up more speed and takes in tens of thousands of our fellow Catholics.

I would like to see the complete text of both emails. Perhaps Nan will be kind enough to post the complete text for us.

zerinus

 

[Pa_Pa]

Mormonism is a sick joke.

That is just rude! What if the LDS Church had done the same thing…there would be outrage. LDS and Catholic’s share a common bond. We are attacked by the same Protestant church. At least we have that in common.

Pa Pa

 

[ibkc]

That is just rude! What if the LDS Church had done the same thing…there would be outrage.

The LDS church doesn’t have to send out emails. Their virulent anti-Catholicism is embedded in their doctrines. The Catholic Church is “apostate” and our creeds (the Apostle’s Creed and the Nicene Creed, I assume) are an “abomination.”

 

[RebeccaJ]

The LDS church doesn’t have to send out emails. Their virulent anti-Catholicism is embedded in their doctrines. The Catholic Church is “apostate” and our creeds (the Apostle’s Creed and the Nicene Creed, I assume) are an “abomination.”

It is true, anti-Catholicism is institutionalized and an integral part of mormonism. Without it, there would be no need for the mormon religion at all.

 

[Jabronie]

I doubt that that e-mail was actually sent by any official of Catholic Answers - it is definitely not their “style.”

I didn’t receive it, either, and I do receive e-mails from Catholic Answers.

I think you are the victim of a hoax of some kind.

I didn’t get one either.

 

[why_me]

It is true, anti-Catholicism is institutionalized and an integral part of mormonism. Without it, there would be no need for the mormon religion at all.

No, it isn’t. And of course, you are misleading the catholics on this board, in my humble opinion.

I have never heard a mormon make an anticatholic remark. Now I do remember that when Bruce R. McConkie’s book came out, there were some misunderstandings but that was soon corrected.

At the last sunday school when the book of mormon was discussed and the abominable church, not one person mentioned the catholic church as that church. Sorry, Rebecca, you are wrong on this one.