Any Anti Vaxxers on here who do not want to take the COVID vaccine?

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Cruciferi said:
I recently got a vaccination. I waited 10 years before getting it. I feel that it’s safe and effective now. I wouldn’t have recommended it 10 years ago.
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I’m not even as cautious as that .
I’m willing to take it after five years.

I’m not even against this vaccine or vaccines in general.
It’s not made from fetal tissue.
Our religion is okay with vaccines.

But the speed at which this has been rushed makes me uneasy.
And the rhetoric around “good people will submit to this vaccine, or else they’re evil, selfish, inconsiderate poopyheads” is making me incredibly anxious.

Let’s face it. The US is basically two nations right now. Not on any map, and we all render unto the same Caesar.
But in our hearts and minds we are two separate peoples.
 
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Which is very nice for them, but they have safety nets for if something goes wrong which I don’t have.

Ie, lots of money, being able to hire people to do their household chores, no kids to look after, notbody depending on them to bring home a paycheck…
 
Pattylt said:
Just don’t delay so long that you defeat the point of vaccinations in the first place…community immunity!
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I find it hard to believe that most people get vaccines for this reason. They get them to protect themselves from the illness. I can’t imagine the motivation is going to be any different with Covid.
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
I’m not even as cautious as that .
I’m willing to take it after five years.

I’m not even against this vaccine or vaccines in general.
It’s not made from fetal tissue.
Our religion is okay with vaccines.

But the speed at which this has been rushed makes me uneasy.
And the rhetoric around “good people will submit to this vaccine, or else they’re evil, selfish, inconsiderate poopyheads” is making me incredibly anxious.
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Indeed. We’ve both come to the same conclusion for our current circumstances. In yours, since I’d be in a job requiring public contact, I would probably get the vaccine. However, I’m not going to call someone selfish or inconsiderate for not making the same decision I would.
 
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johnz123 said:
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No, I will not be getting any vaccine.

Let’s talk Vaccines, from a medical, scientific, historical, ethical and theological perspective.

" vaccination (n.)

1800 , used by British physician Edward Jenner (1749-1823) for the technique he devised of preventing smallpox by injecting people with the cowpox virus (variolae vaccinae) , from vaccine (adj.) “pertaining to cows, from cows” (1798), from Latin vaccinus “from cows,” from vacca “cow,” a word of uncertain origin. “The use of the term for diseases other than smallpox is due to Pasteur” [OED]."

Which brings to the next point about what has always been said about Vaccines, scientifically and medically, is that they are made from, and often carry, animal embryo, DNA, of either “bovine” (cow), monkey, dog, pig, or chicken (are the primary animals used), and even aborted human fetal (baby) tissue, along with all manner of other stabilizers, catalysts, suppressants, etc.

You can see some of that here, from the CDC excipient list:


Looking at this from a theological point of view, let us bring the subject back up to a higher plane, and speak spiritually.

The Church, is likened unto a Body, Eph 5:23; Col 1:18,24.

And so, if we consider that a virus, is like a deadly foreign toxin that invades a “body”, we can liken it unto evil or bad belief/doctrine/practice that corrupts the body and can even get the body to fight itself (auto-immune).

The “body”, the Church, has an immune system, the general outer body first, then leaders, like Bishops/Elders, Deacons, etc that all heresies, error must get past first, before it can infect the whole, and a standard, God’s word, Holy Scripture, which all things are checked before admission into the body. For instance, a pervert, an adulterer, or someone like a known Jim Jones, etc, is not accepted into the Body, right?

Would any healthy “body” seek to bypass the outer defenses, and inject straight into the pulpit, a known heretical professor of foreign belief (like atheism, occultism, etc), doctrine or practice and see how the church reacts from it? or allow such person, or multiple persons (like multiple vaccines) to teach for 6 months to the whole body? Would that be sanity or insanity? Healthy or unhealthy?

What if we first weakened the person by blindfolding them, and then allowing them to preach from place of authority or classroom for so long a time? Would that be any different?

What if we placed such persons, with venomous doctrines, beliefs and practices (by passing the body) straight into the theological seminaries, where they could readily disseminate throughout the whole body their materials? as to a human body?

What if we instead, or in addition, weakened all the Bishops/Elders, Deacons & teachers in a church, by placing stoppers in their ears, and then allowed such foreign elements to come in and teach to the rest of the body, just as like weakening the immune system and white blood cells through aluminum and other adjuvants in the vaccines?
 
Wrong about the vaccine - this is a new type of vaccine never used before based on mRNA it is not the same as all the other vaccines - to date it has only been used in cancer treatment and will be use for the first time on the general public.

From the CDC
COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.

COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the muscle cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them.

Next, the cell displays the protein piece on its surface. Our immune systems recognize that the protein doesn’t belong there and begin building an immune response and making antibodies, like what happens in natural infection against COVID-19.

At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect against future infection. The benefit of mRNA vaccines, like all vaccines, is those vaccinated gain this protection without ever having to risk the serious consequences of getting sick with COVID-19.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
To all those who say “I won’t take it until many millions of others take it first”, how do you feel about benefitting from the risk that others take? Those who take the vaccine are doing it as much for those who don’t take it as they are doing it for themselves.
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I feel that we all benefit from the risks of others every day, in ways we can’t even imagine, and I take no issue with that, so I take no issue with this. 🤷‍♂️

Furthermore, if there are people who are willing to take the risk… or don’t perceive it as a risk… why would we coerce someone who is less willing to take the “risk” into taking it? Let the people who aren’t afraid go first! This seems so simple to me.

If I worked at the CDC that would be completely out of character for me. 🤣 But since I’d be a different person altogether in that scenario, I imagine I’d be more willing to be the first to take it regardless of the “risks.” 🤷‍♂️

No, I don’t think the CDC needs to withhold approval until I’d be willing to take it. Why would I withhold something from others that hoards of people see as a desirable good?

As a person who is familiar with vaccine injury it concerns me that people may want to coerce, emotionally manipulate, or force others into doing something that is potentially detrimental to their person. Yes, I know it is in the name of “safety,” but if my vaccine injured relative was given this vaccine it would certainly not be safe for them, and I question why this minority is dismissed with such fervor during a time when we seem to be so focused on social justice. 🤷‍♂️

Seems like a crime against humanity in the making, but that’s just my view of things.
 
Yeah,that “ vaccine” they will publicly have administered,could be a B 12 injection for all we know.I don’t trust any of those mentioned any farther than I could throw them.
How stupid and gullible they must think we are…
 
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BT3241 said:
Wrong about the vaccine - …
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I am not “wrong” about “vaccines:”, as I was speaking in general, not specifically the cursed covid-19 mRNA “spike” (like what was used to crucify Jesus, in the “arm”) vaccine.

Nothing that the CDC does is “harmless”, a very subjective term in the first place, and not very scientific.

Nucleic acid vaccination:

"… piece of a pathogen (called an antigen) …

… Nucleic acid vaccines, DNA and messenger RNA (mRNA), deliver the nucleotide sequence (eg, “AAAGGCC…”) that codes for the proteins that pathogens use to cause disease. The idea is that those proteins will act as antigens that the immune system will recognize. …" - https://www.modernatx.com/sites/default/files/RNA_Vaccines_White_Paper_Moderna_050317_v8_4.pdf

Adding a non-original mRNA changing aspect to a vaccine, to enter the bloodstream (again bypassing all natural defenses), again is still purposefully introducing a foreign element (genetically engineered at that) into the body, which is clearly identifiable as a piece of pathogenic (antigen) material, a piece of ‘coding’ from a foreign ‘protein’. It is supposedly providing (foreign, alien) “instructions” to the cell, even if supposedly it is not going into the nucleus. It is literally reprogramming your cells without nucleus approval.

It doesn’t have to ‘change your DNA’. It, instead, is literally brainwashing your cells to comply to the new orders, by re-writing the instructions in it.

“… There are now six prophylactic mRNA vaccines in clinical trials, four of which are being conducted by Moderna Therapeutics. These vaccines combine the advantages of DNA vaccines (natural antigen expression and production that is faster andstandardized) while addressing many of the disadvantages. Unlike DNA vaccines, mRNA vaccines do not need to enter the nucleus, nor do they risk being integrated into our DNA, and they are directly translated into protein antigens. …” - ibid, Moderna

“… that transfects molecules of synthetic RNA into human cells. Once inside the cells, the RNA functions as mRNA, reprogramming the cells to make the foreign protein that would normally be produced by the pathogen (e.g. a virus), or by cancer cells. …” - mRNA vaccine - Wikipedia

It could (potentially) literally cause the cells to actually produce the virus/cancer itself! It is actually attempting to train the cells of the human body through synthetic molecules of RNA, to produce a response (in the cell) mRNA sequence. The cell is now to “make” the “foreign protein”.

Did you understand what was just given you?
 
I am sure they are doing it for an example to mainstream Americans, not the tin foil hat types. The idea is a non-partisan support, as this virus does not have a political bias.
 
That says a lot then about the gullibility of many. Seriously,just more symbolism over substance.it’s not tin foil thinking to actually discern bs when you see it
 
Jeanne_S said:
Seriously,just more symbolism over substance.it’s not tin foil thinking
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I disagree. I find it rather the height of paranoia to see people taking the vaccine and assume it must be something else because of…

Heck, I do not even know what fantasy would produce such a conclusion.
 
That’s not what I said.I addressed the issue regarding Biden et all saying they would be the first in line to get the vaccine and even do it live on tv.That’s not provable.They may as well be likely getting a vitamin b injection.They don’t abide by what they impose on us.Do you really think JB getting the vaccine,really? I dont
 
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I’ll get the vaccine. And if my husband survives his current hospitalization with COVID (questionable whether he will survive), he will get it.

I praise God for the vaccine and those who worked so hard to get it ready and tested. I hope it works, and I hope it helps us restore the American life we all used to enjoy so much. Life is awful now, so dark and lonely and hopeless, other than our hope of eternal life with the Lord Jesus. I don’t know what I would do if I didn’t know and trust Jesus.
 
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I’msorry to hear about your husband,Peeps.I feel your pain.My husband had a severe stroke three weeks ago,was discovered to have covid as well,which may have been the cause of his stroke to begin with. I too miss his presence here at our home,especially in the evenings and when I go to bed.Prayers for you and your husbands recovery. A difficult time for sure.🙏🙏🙏:cry:
 
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Jeanne_S said:
I’msorry to hear about your husband,Peeps.I feel your pain.My husband had a severe stroke three weeks ago,was discovered to have covid as well,which may have been the cause of his stroke to begin with. I too miss his presence here at our home,especially in the evenings and when I go to bed.Prayers for you and your husbands recovery. A difficult time for sure.🙏🙏🙏:cry:
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Thank you! A friend from one of the Protestant churches I play for just called me and we had an encouraging talk. So I’m a little more cheerful now. I don’t known how people survive without Jesus and His Church!
 
I agree,these last three weeks have been a real challenge for me as well.I always feel better after praying and leaning on my faith.
 
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