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Isaiah45_9
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I think they are also referred to as “The Frozen Chosen”
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PRmerger
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No, CU, Catholics do not elevate Calvinists that convert.
Scott Hahn is well-renowned, well-respected and admired for his scholarship. Not because of his former religion.
His conversion story would have been moving if he had been an atheist, or a Muslim, or a nominal Catholic. It is the conversion TO that is impressive, not necessarily the conversion FROM.
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Christian_Unity
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I have to disagree agreeably with you sister. I believe Reformed theology challenges Catholic theology more than any other Protestant version. It consists of the 5 solas of the Protestant Reformation and teaches the article in which the church stands of falls (according to Luther) which strong emhasis. When someone presents Scott Hahn, he seems to be presented that he was once was a Calvinist. There is even a Catholic site dedicated of promoting ex-Calvinists who are now Catholic. Arminian Protestantism is similar to the Catholic Faith in synergism; the Reformed view teaches mongerism.
calledtocommunion.com/
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PRmerger
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Not at all. Have you seen the theology of Sabbatarians? Or of Jehovah’s Witnesses? Or of Oneness Pentecostals? Iglesia ni Cristo? Baptism by immersion folks? Baptism is an ordinance folks? Baptism must be done in adulthood folks?
They all challenge Catholic theology quite effusively. And it’s inutile to attempt to quantify whose challenge to Catholicism is greater.
There is no monopoly on that with the Reformed churches, CU.
Er…that’s because he was a Calvinist. If he were an atheist he would be presented as “he was once an atheist.”
There are a multitude of websites devoted to converts from all walks of life to Catholicism, CU.
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Bob_Aliano
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I had a Baptist friend named Billy Graham (no joke, same name but not THE Billy Graham) who would occasionally engage me in a bit of Bible to and fro; I always lost because when I was a young Catholic in the forties and fifties we never read the Bible. Then the Bible was a storage place for marriage, birth and baptismal certificates.
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PRmerger
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Did you go to Mass? Were you not exposed to the Scriptures during the Mass, Bob?
Perhaps you did not know book, chapter and verse, but you certainly were infused in the Scriptures if you went to Mass.
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aprilfloyd
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I was raised in the west of Scotland where religious sectarianism is strong.
Over the years I have learned that a lot of what Catholicism teaches is wrong and indefensible and we just have to accept Catholicism got it wrong
Over the years I have learned that a lot of what Catholicism teaches is wrong and indefensible and we just have to accept Catholicism got it wrong
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Bballer32
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And your proof for this issssss…I was raised in the west of Scotland where religious sectarianism is strong.
Over the years I have learned that a lot of what Catholicism teaches is wrong and indefensible and we just have to accept Catholicism got it wrong
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SteveVH
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Please state exactly what Catholicism teaches that is wrong and indefensible. Maybe even just one good example would work for now.I was raised in the west of Scotland where religious sectarianism is strong.
Over the years I have learned that a lot of what Catholicism teaches is wrong and indefensible and we just have to accept Catholicism got it wrong
Thanks.
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truthseeker32
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Aprilfloyd is a troll. Don’t feed him/her. He/she claims to know that Catholicism is cleeearly backwards and wrongheaded, but fails to ever substantiate the argument.
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SteveVH
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I’ve never run into Aprilfloyd before. What you say makes sense.
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fbl9
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if that is truly the case, let’s party on, cause nobody else has it right as well.I was raised in the west of Scotland where religious sectarianism is strong.
Over the years I have learned that a lot of what Catholicism teaches is wrong and indefensible and we just have to accept Catholicism got it wrong
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CatholicofAgora
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“Any Catholic ever been out debated by a Protestant?”
Nope
Always box them into the corner until they knowingly contradict themselves…
It’s too fun sometimes.
Nope
Always box them into the corner until they knowingly contradict themselves…
It’s too fun sometimes.
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GaryTaylor
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I haven’t either. Perhaps he’ll elaborate for us.
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GaryTaylor
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I don’t know, doesn’t really equate to debate in my mind. Its much more just answering questions of Church teaching imho, all which is rooted in history and documented.
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GWright
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This a good warning thread.
It is true that, if Catholics are ill-informed, they can be susceptible to anti-Catholic propaganda.
That some Catholics are ill-informed is the fault of all of the Chruch, schools and parents.
However, with many excellent online resources and books available, Catholics can get informed under their own steam these days.
Its interesting how the only substance of so much protestantism seems to be gossiping about and denigrating Catholics. Imagine if all we Catholics just disappeared one day - what would the protestants have left to talk about? Little or nothing.
This shows that protestantism is pretty hollow, it is something which itself is defined via reference to Catholicism, it doesnt have its own genuine, stand alone identity.
If a Catholic is well informed, a chimp would have more chance of beating them in a debate, than any protestant. Much of what protestants say about Catholics is either outright lies or massive distortions of the truth.
It is true that, if Catholics are ill-informed, they can be susceptible to anti-Catholic propaganda.
That some Catholics are ill-informed is the fault of all of the Chruch, schools and parents.
However, with many excellent online resources and books available, Catholics can get informed under their own steam these days.
Its interesting how the only substance of so much protestantism seems to be gossiping about and denigrating Catholics. Imagine if all we Catholics just disappeared one day - what would the protestants have left to talk about? Little or nothing.
This shows that protestantism is pretty hollow, it is something which itself is defined via reference to Catholicism, it doesnt have its own genuine, stand alone identity.
If a Catholic is well informed, a chimp would have more chance of beating them in a debate, than any protestant. Much of what protestants say about Catholics is either outright lies or massive distortions of the truth.
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PRmerger
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Indeed. The Church in the past has done an abysmal job in providing nourishing catechesis for her flock.
I remember growing up in the 70’s and 80’s and hearing the cushy, touchy-feely messages of love. That was nice to hear, but about as nourishing and fulfilling as a bag of Cheetos.
I wanted to be fed Real Food!
Thankfully, the Church is realizing this and is doing her very best to feed us with the glorious Truth!
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MollyMac
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There are some key issues that are disputed between Catholics and Protestants, but there is no doubt that there are Catholics and Protestants alike that believe Christ is their Saviour. I find these threads the most intriguing because there are a lot of misconceptions between the two groups. The “separated brethren” comment gave me quite a chuckle I must say.
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Crescentinus
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I’ve had Seventh-Day Adventist apologists tried to bully into converting to Seventh-Day Adventism by trying to crush me in a debate in the past using the stereotypical anti-Catholic canards. Suffice to say, their arguments have been mercilessly crushed to the point of sheer recklessness on my part.
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Crescentinus
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Especially effective against Fundamentalists.“Any Catholic ever been out debated by a Protestant?”
Nope
Always box them into the corner until they knowingly contradict themselves…
It’s too fun sometimes.
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