Any Catholics around who reject a teaching or two? Post here!

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I’m directing Catholics here, not protestants. Do you propose yourself to be Catholic but you ultimately reject/ disagree with one or more teachings? Please tell me what you are unhappy about.

Formal and emotional post are welcome, if you feel you might go deeply into it then don’t worry about that, just go ahead and do so.

If there is anything the Church teaches that you don’t agree with please tell me.
 
If it is a de fide teaching, and you realize that, and you persist in your dissent, then you place yourself outside the Church (excommunication). Therefore, you are no longer a Catholic. It is not the role of the conscience to decide moral/doctrinal value. The role of conscience is to apply moral value - not to create it. So if the Church deems a teaching “significant”, it doesn’t matter what the individual rates the importance as - the truth lies outside the individual believer. The individual believer should conform himself to Christ’s truth, not decide upon it by himself. That’s Rationalism.

I’d tread lightly on such a topic. If you are interested in helping people come back to the church, then great. If you are looking to gather some sort of “lobby” against the dogmas of the faith, you are wasting your time.
 
You tell us what you are questioning first. All Catholics have questions. If it were not true, sites like this would not be available for discussion purposes.
 
**So you are asking if people who profess themselves as Cathoic…are in deed - NOT?

What does this gain. Would it not be best to ask a question about any particular teaching and promise to be open to the answer?

This way those that weaken the Body Of Christ by public desention could strengthen instead.

Right now the visible Catholic teachings that in the media have too many of the very catholic opinions you are seeking. These only add confusion to Catholics not clarity.

Whatever teachings you are personally rejecting please seek the truth…not comrades in arms. I will pray.**
 
jmjconder said:
**So you are asking if people who profess themselves as Cathoic…are in deed - NOT?

What does this gain. Would it not be best to ask a question about any particular teaching and promise to be open to the answer?

This way those that weaken the Body Of Christ by public desention could strengthen instead.

Right now the visible Catholic teachings that in the media have too many of the very catholic opinions you are seeking. These only add confusion to Catholics not clarity.

Whatever teachings you are personally rejecting please seek the truth…not comrades in arms. I will pray.**
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Comrades in arms? You seem to think I am hunting for a group of people to have a good bash at the catholic church with.
 
Windmill said:
If it is a de fide teaching, and you realize that, and you persist in your dissent, then you place yourself outside the Church (excommunication). Therefore, you are no longer a Catholic. It is not the role of the conscience to decide moral/doctrinal value. The role of conscience is to apply moral value - not to create it. So if the Church deems a teaching “significant”, it doesn’t matter what the individual rates the importance as - the truth lies outside the individual believer. The individual believer should conform himself to Christ’s truth, not decide upon it by himself. That’s Rationalism.

I’d tread lightly on such a topic. If you are interested in helping people come back to the church, then great.
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Some people dissagree with certain church teachings, but will remain with the church.
If you are looking to gather some sort of “lobby” against the dogmas of the faith, you are wasting your time.
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Maybe you have read the post of too many trolls and are now understandably jumping to conclusions when ever on the topics of sensitive subjects.
 
Praying from today’s Liturgy of the Hours:

Grant,
we pray, almighty God,
that, always pondering spiritual things,
we may carry out in both word
and deed that which is pleasing to you.
Through our Lord Jesus Christ, your Son,
who lives and reigns with you in the unity of the Holy Spirit,
one God, for ever and ever.
– Amen.
 
Anna_Claire said:
You tell us what you are questioning first. All Catholics have questions. If it were not true, sites like this would not be available for discussion purposes.
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What I want to know is why people who reject certain teachings from the Church still want to remain Catholic. Like usually, if that were the case with a protestant, they might change denomination.

Isn’t it believed that the Church can’t possibly teach something that is in fact wrong? So we should be able to believe every single thing it states with good trust and faith without having to worry that they may have got it wrong. Perhaps that’s not the case, maybe I have a misunderstanding.
 
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Comrades in arms? You seem to think I am hunting for a group of people to have a good bash at the catholic church with.
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Yes I assumed this. However on matters of faith and morals the Church is not in error. When people are asking questions like this usually in falls into one of those categories.

If this is the case…they my call themselves Catholic…however they are not in union with Rome. Unity to Christ as THE head of the Church on earth is what defines a Catholic.
 
Zundrah said:
What I want to know is why people who reject certain teachings from the Church still want to remain Catholic. Like usually, if that were the case with a protestant, they might change denomination.

Isn’t it believed that the Church can’t possibly teach something that is in fact wrong? So we should be able to believe every single thing it states with good trust and faith without having to worry that they may have got it wrong. Perhaps that’s not the case, maybe I have a misunderstanding.
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I can only speak for myself. When I was becoming an adult, I had alot of objections to certain teachings of the Church. I never considered the possibility of becoming a Protestant because I had accepted the authority of the Church. I didn’t believe that Jesus would leave us without any guidance. I figured that if the original Church didn’t get it right, then none of it was real. I also realized that if you change your religion based on what you want, than you are not following God’s will, but your own. How can I hope that others change their behavior and start loving their neighbor, helping the poor, protecting the unborn, if I am not willing to accept God’s word on certain subjects either? Do I think so highly of myself that I think God has messages for those other sinful people, but no corrections for me? I would be a complete hypocrite! So, I decided that although I continued to have considerable doubt about certain teachings, I would obey and abide by them as long as I had faith in God. And guess what! After much study and prayer, (several years worth) I began to understand why we have these teachings in the first place.
 
Zundrah said:
Maybe you have read the post of too many trolls and are now understandably jumping to conclusions when ever on the topics of sensitive subjects.
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It is very useful to look up a poster’s history just by clicking on their name, to see what messages they have previously posted and so on.
 
jmjconder said:
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Yes I assumed this. However on matters of faith and morals the Church is not in error. When people are asking questions like this usually in falls into one of those categories.

If this is the case…they my call themselves Catholic…however they are not in union with Rome. Unity to Christ as THE head of the Church on earth is what defines a Catholic.

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That’s what I always thought. And I remember people saying to me some time back that I can’t really say I am a Catholic unless I agree with absolutely everything it teaches. So I always thought that what of it I don’t know, I’ll research at some point and what of it I do know but disagree with, I’ll research that and resolve the doubts. That’s what kept me able to say I was Catholic, heart and soul. Not a doubt in the Churches teachings.

I only have problems with 3 things it teaches and most would say that they are insignificant, but to me they are not. I breaks my heart to change my religious title. But I wont lie to myself.

But this isn’t about me. I want to know why they say they are Catholic even if they blatantly aren’t as you said here;
If this is the case…they my call themselves Catholic…however they are not in union with Rome. Unity to Christ as THE head of the Church on earth is what defines a Catholic.
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Since your religion states “Protestant as of yesterday” I take it converting to Catholicism didn’t work out for you (as per you past history). It appears you are looking for other Catholics who think as you do. Do you think the TRADITIONAL Catholicism forum is where you will find them?
What specifically are you looking for? And again, why?
 
paperwight66 said:
It is very useful to look up a poster’s history just by clicking on their name, to see what messages they have previously posted and so on.
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In my case it isn’t. It makes me look terrible.

I was as ignorant as space is vast when I first found this site.
 
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