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Sister_Amy said:
Please try to find the meaning of the Arabic word “huffaadh” or in singular form “haafidh.” You might also see it rendered “huffaz” or “hafiz” or something like that. 🙂
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Yes. And they didn’t memorize the same text:
[edit] The Ten Readers & Their Transmitters plus the four aberrant readings
The Seven Readers and their transmitters Qari (Reader) Rawi (Transmitters)
Name Born Died Full name Additional info Name Born Died Full name Additional info
Nafi‘ al-Madani 70 AH 169 AH-785 CE Ibn ‘Abd ar-Rahman Ibn Abi Na‘im, Abu Ruwaym al-Laythi His origin is from Isfahan Qalun 120 AH 220 AH Abu Musa, ‘Isa Ibn Mina al-Zarqi Slave of Bani Zuhrah
Warsh 110 AH 197 AH ‘Uthman Ibn Sa‘id al-Qutbi Egyptian the slave of Quraysh
Ibn Kathir al-Makki 45 AH 120 AH-737 CE ‘Abdullah, Abu Ma‘bad al-‘Attar al-Dari Persian Al-Buzzi 170 AH 250 AH Ahmad Ibn Muhammad Ibn ‘Abdillah, Abu al-Hasan al-Buzzi Persian
Qunbul 195 AH 291 AH Muhammad Ibn ‘Abd ar-Rahman, al-Makhzumi, Abu ‘Amr Meccan and Makhzumi (by loyalty)
Abu ‘Amr Ibn al-‘Ala’ 68 AH 154 AH Zuban Ibn al-‘Ala’ at-Tamimi al-Mazini, al-Basri Hafs al-Duri ? 246 AH Abu ‘Amr, Hafs Ibn ‘Umar Ibn ‘Abd al-‘Aziz al-Baghdadi Grammarian. Blind.
Al-Susi ? 261 AH Abu Shu‘ayb, Salih Ibn Ziyad Ibn ‘Abdillah Ibn Isma‘il Ibn al-Jarud ar-Riqqi
Ibn ‘Amir ad-Dimashqi 8 AH 118 AH ‘Abdullah Ibn ‘Amir Ibn Yazid Ibn Tamim Ibn Rabi‘ah al-Yahsibi Hisham 153 AH 245 AH Abu al-Walid, Hisham ibn ‘Ammar Ibn Nusayr Ibn Maysarah al-Salami al-Dimashqi
Ibn Dhakwan 173 AH 242 AH Abu ‘Amr, ‘Abdullah Ibn Ahmad al-Qurayshi al-Dimashqi
‘Aasim al-Kufi ? AH 127 AH-774 CE Abu Bakr, ‘Aasim Ibn Abi al-Najud al-'Asadi 'Asadi (by loyalty) Shu‘bah 95 AH 193 AH Abu Bakr, Shu‘bah Ibn ‘Ayyash Ibn Salim al-Kufi an-Nahshali Nahshali (by loyalty)
Hafss 90 AH 180 AH Abu ‘Amr, Hafss Ibn Sulayman Ibn al-Mughirah Ibn Abi Dawud al-Asadi al-Kufi
Hamzah al-Kufi 80 AH 156 AH-772 CE Abu ‘Imarah, Hamzah Ibn Habib al-Zayyat al-Taymi Taymi (by loyalty) Khalaf 150 AH 229 AH Abu Muhammad al-Asadi al-Bazzar al-Baghdadi
Khallad ? 220 AH Abu ‘Isa, Khallad Ibn Khalid al-Baghdadi
Al-Kisa’i al-Kufi 119 AH 189 AH-804 CE Abu al-Hasan, ‘Ali Ibn Hamzah al-Asadi Asadi (by loyalty). Persian. Al-Layth ? AH 240 AH Abu al-Harith, al-Layth Ibn Khalid al-Baghdadi
Hafs al-Duri ? 246 AH Abu ‘Amr, Hafs Ibn ‘Umar Ibn ‘Abd al-‘Aziz al-Baghdadi Transmitter of Abu 'Amr (See Above)

In Addition to the above there are three more readers whose reading is not as consensual as the Seven. These are:

The Three nonconsensual Readers and their transmistters Qari (Reader) Rawi (Transmitters)
Name Born Died Full name Additional info Name Born Died Full name Additional info
Abu Ja‘far ? 130 AH Yazid Ibn al-Qa‘qa‘ al-Makhzumi al-Madani ‘Isa Ibn Wirdan ? 160 AH Abu al-Harith al-Madani Madani by style
Ibn Jummaz ? 170 AH Abu ar-Rabi‘, Sulayman Ibn Muslim Ibn Jummaz al-Madani
Ya‘qub al-Yamani 117 AH 205 AH Abu Muhammad, Ya‘qub Ibn Ishaq Ibn Zayd Ibn ‘Abdillah Ibn Abi Ishaq al-Hadrami al-Basri Slave of the Hadramis Ruways ? 238 AH Abu ‘Abdillah, Muhammad Ibn al-Mutawakkil al-Basri
Rawh ? 234 AH Abu al-Hasan, Rawh Ibn ‘Abd al-Mu’min, al-Basri al-Hudhali Hudhali by loyalty
Khalaf 150 AH 229 AH Abu Muhammad al-Asadi al-Bazzar al-Baghdadi Transmitter of Hamza (see above) Ishaq ? 286 AH Abu Ya‘qub, Ishaq Ibn Ibrahim Ibn ‘Uthman al-Maruzi al-Baghdadi
Idris 189 AH 292 AH Abu al-Hasan, Idris Ibn ‘Abd al-Karim al-Haddad al-Baghdadi

And there are also four readers whose readings are rejected for being aberrant.

The four aberrant readers and their transmistters Qari (Reader) Rawi (Transmitters)
Name Born Died Full name Additional info Name Born Died Full name Additional info
Muhammad ibn Muhaisin/ محمد بن مُحَيصن Albuzzi/ البزي
Abu al-Hasan ibn Shannabudh
Yahaya al-yazidi/ يحيى اليزيدي Sulaiman ibn al-Hakam
Ahmad ibn Farah/ أحمد بن فرح
Al-Hasan al-Basri Shujac al-Balkhi
Abu Amr Hafs Al-Duri
Sulaiman ibn Mahraan Al-Hasan al-MuTawwaci
Abu al-Faraj al-Shannabudhi al-ShaTawi
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OK, OK! I am the OP and if you guys want to carry out this banter, start another thread. I was simply asking for any Muslims who wanted to have an intellectual conversation to contact me, and I do have someone who is answering my questions. If any other person wants to PM me, fine, but the posters took my thread way off course and I ask that it stop.
 
**Hello and assalaamu’alaykum sis amy 😃

hmmm yikes lol

don’t know where to start lol…but that list oh man! Did you know that the recitations of the Quran, that there are 7 ways (methods of pronouncing) of reciting it??? These do not mean any grammatical error what so ever…sheesh.

americanrevert**
 
Americanrevert said:
**Hello and assalaamu’alaykum sis amy 😃

hmmm yikes lol

don’t know where to start lol…but that list oh man! Did you know that the recitations of the Quran, that there are 7 ways (methods of pronouncing) of reciting it??? These do not mean any grammatical error what so ever…sheesh.

americanrevert**
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Wa alaikum as-salaam wa rahmatullaah

I’m not sure what was meant to be proven by the list so I kinda ignored it.

I might consider listening to someone telling me the Qur’an has “grammatical errors,” when he’s memorized it. Memorization is the lowest level of knowledge, and if someone is claiming the Qur’an has grammatical errors but hasn’t even done that, then I can find plenty of people with more knowledge than him.
 
Americanrevert said:
**Hello and assalaamu’alaykum sis amy 😃

hmmm yikes lol

don’t know where to start lol…but that list oh man! Did you know that the recitations of the Quran, that there are 7 ways (methods of pronouncing) of reciting it??? These do not mean any grammatical error what so ever…sheesh.

americanrevert**
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In of itself no. The recitations are just to show this ifrs of a single, preserved text of the Quran is a myth. With a recitation is where the errors lie.
 
Sister_Amy said:
Wa alaikum as-salaam wa rahmatullaah

I’m not sure what was meant to be proven by the list so I kinda ignored it.

I might consider listening to someone telling me the Qur’an has “grammatical errors,” when he’s memorized it. Memorization is the lowest level of knowledge, and if someone is claiming the Qur’an has grammatical errors but hasn’t even done that, then I can find plenty of people with more knowledge than him.
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I’ve met such Hafizs (or do you say HuffaZ?). They ask me what they are reciting, because like a parrot, they don’t know.
 
Isa_Almisry said:
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I’ve met such Hafizs (or do you say HuffaZ?). They ask me what they are reciting, because like a parrot, they don’t know.
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I say HuffaaDH actually because I study tajweed. And this letter is pronounced not like a Zee or Zay but is pronounced by putting the second part of your tongue between the front teeth and vibrating it.

Moreover, a hafidh isn’t one who understands the whole Qur’an. It means someone who does what? Preserves it. Thus, he is called a hafidh. 😛
 
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