Any news from Birmingham Alabama about next bishop?

[8640]

frommi:

So what gives a tv network and a nun the right to be the national admonisher of the Catholic church and its bishops.

You bring up a good point here frommi - where do these nuns get off? I mean I was just reading about this one nun called Catherine of Siena who had the audacity to tell the pope to leave France and go back to Rome. I mean can you believe this? The POPE for heaven’s sake. And then he actually listened to her!!! Ugh!

What gives Mother Angelica the right is a little thing in the Catholic Church that we like to call the truth.

 

[Brendan]

frommi:

So what gives a tv network and a nun the right to be the national admonisher of the Catholic church and its bishops.

Admonishment of Sinners is Spiritual Work of Mercy Frommi, and an obligation of ALL Catholics. Do you think a bishop who errs should not be offered Mercy?

 

[Crumpy]

frommi:

So what gives a tv network and a nun the right to be the national admonisher of the Catholic church and its bishops.

‘You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.’

It is more than abundantly clear that there is a lack of leadership in the Catholic Church in the U.S. First of all, there is no formal organization of it, and, second, there does not seem to be any bishop or cardinal with ordinary charisma to lead it.

Bishop Fulton Sheen, who I did not personally care for, came the closest to being a moral leader of the country and spokesman for the church. With the widespread priest sex scandals from coast to coast, north to south, which bishop can claim the mantle of leadership?

Prove me wrong, but I don’t even see the cardinals expressing solidarity. Louis Farrakan did a better job of mobilizing a march on Washington than the Catholic Church has ever done, and we should have all the more reasons for doing that.

EWTN is far and away the best medium of mainline Catholic belief in this country – programming on the Catechism and on recent papal encyclicals, broadcasting of the Mass, frequent and regular programming with popular priests – how can anyone fault EWTN for that?

I don’t care for everything I see on EWTN and I think they could be a whole lot better. They have obviously made executive decisions to get bigger instead of getting better.

Gives me a thought for another thread on EWTN.

 

[Brendan]

frommi:

And if that network would televise the tridentine mass…all the more reason to think the network has its priorities out of whack

Ahh, yes, televising a Papal approved Sacrifice of the Mass doesn’t meet with frommi’s approval, so it is therefore ‘out of wack’

 

[frommi]

Brendan:

Admonishment of Sinners is Spiritual Work of Mercy Frommi, and an obligation of ALL Catholics. Do you think a bishop who errs should not be offered Mercy?

They don’t offer mercy…they offer a holier than thou attitude about what they want the church to be.

 

[8640]

frommi:

They don’t offer mercy…they offer a holier than thou attitude about what they want the church to be.

So you define mercy as do what ever you want? Don’t worry if you are breaking from the Church? “It’s ok we love you!”

 

[Brendan]

frommi:

They don’t offer mercy…they offer a holier than thou attitude about what they want the church to be.

But we are taking about Reproachment here frommi. That IS a work of Mercy.

Are you saying the Church teaches error when it describes Reproachment as a work of Mercy?

Or does the “Holier than thou” come more into place when one objects to a Valid Mass being televised on T.V.

 

[davy39]

frommi:

Oh I don’t know…giving Mel Gibson, who’s pretty much a schismatic, air time with Ray Arroyo might count

I saw that broadcast, and as I recall, his status with the Church or his father wasn’t even mentioned. The whole interview was centered around the making of the movie and what Gibson went through to film it. Without EWTN, there would be nothing about the Church on TV and not much on radio, either. God bless Mother Angelica for starting the network. Others have tried and failed.

 

[frommi]

davy39:

I saw that broadcast, and as I recall, his status with the Church or his father wasn’t even mentioned. The whole interview was centered around the making of the movie and what Gibson went through to film it. Without EWTN, there would be nothing about the Church on TV and not much on radio, either. God bless Mother Angelica for starting the network. Others have tried and failed.

So…if they did an interview with a Catholic politician who supports abortion rights, but only asked about his/her new book…your telling me that people wouldn’t be up in arms about that?

 

[Walking_Home]

frommi:

They don’t offer mercy…they offer a holier than thou attitude about what they want the church to be.

What EWTN offers is what the Church is. But this doesn’t wash with the Neocatechumenals, now does it frommi.

This movement you are a part of was suppose to help the Church, but instead, it is trying to demolish the Church from the inside, feeding on the Church, using the Church to populate the Neocat movement.

Your movement has been manipulating our people, priests, and bishops from the start. —“look how much the Church needs us in this secular society, We will bring Christ to the world”. What you are really doing is imposing your founders own “interpretation” of scripture and teachings over what the Church has always taught.
That is why you say EWTN has a “narrow view”.

EWTN is a threat to the Neocatechumenals. It makes it harder to manipulate the people, when what they hear from EWTN does not coincide with the Neocat catechists version. The people start questioning.

When ever we speak of keeping the holiness, sacredness, in our Mass, or encourage our traditions, you all start calling us pharisees, too hung up on “rules”. Why waste our time in Adoration, when we should be out there doing something .

We are disobedient, gossipers, if we speak against wayward priests/bishops. You all have become very good in keeping us in check.

No, you all do not want the Church to strengthen, you need the disarray, contribute to it, to continue to justify your movements existance.

The Church will survive, frommi. Our Lord has never left us. The Church has lived thru other trials, heresies, and Our Lord and Lady in heaven have always pulled Her thru. The Holy Spirit has always been by Her side.

 

[frommi]

Walking_Home:

What EWTN offers is what the Church is. But this doesn’t wash with the Neocatechumenals, now does it frommi.

This movement you are a part of was suppose to help the Church, but instead, it is trying to demolish the Church from the inside, feeding on the Church, using the Church to populate the Neocat movement.

What the…I’m not part of the neocathecumanate…not sure where your getting that.

This is sort of an odd post. Not sure how to respond to it.

 

[Walking_Home]

frommi:

What the…I’m not part of the neocathecumanate…not sure where your getting that.

This is sort of an odd post. Not sure how to respond to it.

Well lets see: Not a traditionalist —You hate the TLM
EWTN - Mother Angelica - disobedient nun,
narrow minded view of Catholicism,
parallell church.

So what does that leave us. The church within the Church.

I know the Neocatechumenal words frommi, and their words are your words.

 

[frommi]

Walking_Home:

Well lets see: Not a traditionalist —You hate the TLM
EWTN - Mother Angelica - disobedient nun,
narrow minded view of Catholicism,
parallell church.

So what does that leave us. The church within the Church.

I know the Neocatechumenal words frommi, and their words are your words.

Wait a second…

“Not a traditionalist”…take exception to that…I know the traditions and rites of the church quite well, and do a lot of work in that area. If by ‘traditionalist’ you mean I have to enjoy copious amounts of chant and women in mantillas…then I’m guilty of not beint a traditionalist.

I don’t “hate” TLM…I don’t appreciate those people who say that the it is superior worship, or that it brings people closer to God than what our current ways of worship.

Mother Angelica does have a narrow frame of reference about a great deal of things. Disobedient might be the wrong word to use, after all, she gave her life to service of God and the church. Perhaps a better word to use would be misguided.

Don’t put me in movements that I’m not a part of. If you want to watch Mother tell you how to be a good Catholic, go ahead. I simply prefer people who love the Gospel more than the church.

 

[fix]

frommi:

I simply prefer people who love the Gospel more than the church.

That is a strange statement. Are the two at odds?

 

[frommi]

fix:

That is a strange statement. Are the two at odds?

I think when people let hierarchical structures and showiness supercede the Gospel…then yes…they can end up at odds.

 

[Walking_Home]

frommi:

Don’t put me in movements that I’m not a part of. If you want to watch Mother tell you how to be a good Catholic, go ahead. I simply prefer people who love the Gospel more than the church.

Thank you frommi–for allowing me to make another point.

There are countless “catholics” within the Church today that have no idea that the “gospel” that they are taught is the Neocat interpretation. The Neocats in many places, are involved in CCD, RCIA, and other forms of religious education. These people become Neocatechumenals without them even knowing it.

 

[frommi]

Walking_Home:

Thank you frommi–for allowing me to make another point.

There are countless “catholics” within the Church today that have no idea that the “gospel” that they are taught is the Neocat interpretation. The Neocats in many places, are involved in CCD, RCIA, and other forms of religious education. These people become Neocatechumenals without them even knowing it.

Are you just all about conspiracy theories?

 

[fix]

frommi:

I think when people let hierarchical structures and showiness supercede the Gospel…then yes…they can end up at odds.

I do not understand your point? Properly defined both are needed and to reject one is to reject both.

 

[Walking_Home]

frommi:

Are you just all about conspiracy theories?

Oh dear no, frommi.

I have spent a long time listening, studing, learning the Neocatechumenal language you might say. Seeing the Neocatechumenals effect on the Church.

 

[Walking_Home]

frommi:

I think when people let hierarchical structures and showiness supercede the Gospel…then yes…they can end up at odds.

Well, what else can I say, you keep making my argument for me.