Any other couples who choose NOT to practice NFP/Fertility Awareness Methods? (Everyone welcome!)

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On the other hand, there are others that follow all the rules just because that is they believe is best for their family, whether it is part of EB or not.
This is my family. Once we learned what it was at our NFP class (we took the class during our engagement), we were sold on all of its “rules.” We didn’t do them because they were rules, but because we discovered that they really work best for our family. 😃
 
MM, if I am 22 months pregnant then we’ve got some serious problems!!! 👍

I am 22 weeks! Just an FYI 😉
See I told you THIS is why I married you, to keep me on my toes…I was in a hurry when I posted this…gimme a break

Sincerely,

🤓
 
We learned it. We didn’t use it for many years until I had a miscarriage which lead to some heart complications (my heart apparently doesn’t do well with a rapid loss of hormones). We used it until the heart situation was under control. Then we didn’t use it for another 7 years until I had a miscarriage and my heart went crazy all over again. We’ve been using it but it would seem that my heart is finally again on track so we won’t be using it again until another health issue comes up. It has nothing to do with the amount of children God sends us and everything to do with serious health issues. I’m glad we learned it before we had to use it when the health issues arose. Six wonderful kids still with us (three more exclusively under God’s care) and counting!
 
Just a clarification. Birth control is not wrong, it’s just referring to the spacing of births–however CONTRACEPTION is wrong. Some people do use the words interchangably, but really shouldn’t.

I didn’t vote, we chart (when I’m not pregnant) so that I know where I am in my cycle. We (and God) decide monthly whether it’s time to add to our family. I also use ecological breastfeeding to help delay the return of fertility.

Jennifer
Well said, Jennifer.👍 We are in identical boats and rowing in the same direction. Isn’t it a great ride?! 😃

I hope to someday get rid of the term “birth control.” It is so poorly defined and often used interchangeably with all sorts of other terms. Not to mention the unmentionable person who coined the phrase in the first place.

I enjoy promoting the “just wing it method” as often as possible. However, I firmly believe everyone should know the science behind NFP. It is so helpful for women (and men) to know their bodies.

** To everyone in general:** Please remember when discussing this topic that what the Church cautions us on is deliberate abstinence. It must only be done for serious reason. Some people who don’t chart still deliberately abstain to avoid pregnancy. And some people who don’t deliberately abstain and don’t chart are still aware of their overall fertility.

Knowing ones fertility is in no way condemned by the Church. I think it helps us in spreading the Truth found in the Catholic Church. It shows we are not ignorant to the wonderful gift that God gave us in our fertility. I have the utmost respect for my friends here on CAF who use the “wing it” method. They have shown me the same respect. Ah, that I were healthy enough to welcome child after child after child. 🙂

Those folks who can are truly blessed in their circumstances.
 
It may sound a little strange, but Mirdath (yes, your dear Mirdath of this forum) and I do not contracept, since we wish to have children as soon as possible, since one of us (yeah…me) is very much on the clock and was never too healthy. (Mirdath’s a firebreathin’ monster, tell you ladies and gents the truth 😉 , but I am mere aging flesh and bone).

I’m planning to go in and get my stuff thoroughly checked out. I have a history of illness, which could compromise reproduction and my own life. For all our amazing happiness I still worry, since realistically we don’t have much time to have children without assistance, and Mirdath is still so young and would/will be a wonderful parent.

I hope you wish us well.
 
This is not the teaching of the Catholic church… nor was it the point of this thread.

From the Catechism
Your wrong! This is the teaching of the Catholic church. I was required, as well as others getting married, to attend the class. You signed up through the church and it was taught in the Catholic church!
 
I’m not married, but I would like to share what I would like to do when I do get married. (God willing 😃 ) I’m planning to learn Creighton, as I’d like to eventually be a midwife/NaPro person. I think I will chart just to keep track of when my period will start, and to make sure I’m healthy. But other than that, I don’t think I’ll care if I’m fertile or not. I can see (well, not really, just hypothetically) my husband suggesting we be ‘intimate’ 😉 tonight, me commenting, “Sure! Did you know I’m probably fertile right now?” and him saying, “Really? neat!” and then us carrying on as usual. 😛 I won’t use it to avoid unless we have a serious reason ie we just CANNOT afford another child, as in, we’d actually starve even if we sold everything except our house, some serious medical problem, etc. I’ll use breastfeeding to space, and, just guessing from my body size (very skinny, fast metabolism, hungry a lot myself) it’ll be all my body can handle to feed a hungry child, let alone worrying about preparing for the possibility of another one. 😛
 
Your wrong! This is the teaching of the Catholic church. I was required, as well as others getting married, to attend the class. You signed up through the church and it was taught in the Catholic church!
Then you were not taught what the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches…
Please read the link I provided to the Catechism.
 
Then you were not taught what the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches…
Please read the link I provided to the Catechism.
According to the instruction, NFP did not remove the presence of God from the act of love like artificial barriers do physically. My point is that the science is being used to circumvent the use of physical barriers. This is no different then lusting after a woman and not actually have a physical relationship.

But in the catechism, which paragraph are you referencing too?

Thanks
 
I apologize if my personal understanding of ecological breastfeeding is not the norm…
It’s just something I never thought would be “natural” in today’s society in the US… something that’s more countercultural to todays standards…
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with EBF at all… I think that’s great if that’s what works for you! 👍

I guess I just don’t understand how it can be accidentally done in today’s culture… it’s something you have to purposefully read about and gain knowledge to do correctly… not something just naturally taught by our mothers or our local villages, know what I mean?

Does that make sense?
(I honestly don’t want to argue against EBF here, just clarifying my thoughts!) 🙂
 
According to the instruction, NFP did not remove the presence of God from the act of love like artificial barriers do physically. My point is that the science is being used to circumvent the use of physical barriers. This is no different then lusting after a woman and not actually have a physical relationship.

But in the catechism, which paragraph are you referencing too?

Thanks
Its completely different. There is nothing wrong with abstinence. There is always something wrong with impure thoughts.
 
According to the instruction, NFP did not remove the presence of God from the act of love like artificial barriers do physically. My point is that the science is being used to circumvent the use of physical barriers. This is no different then lusting after a woman and not actually have a physical relationship.

But in the catechism, which paragraph are you referencing too?

Thanks
Like LJN21 said…
Its completely different. There is nothing wrong with abstinence. There is always something wrong with impure thoughts.
This is the section in the Catechism… from this link
2370
Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality.158 These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, “every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible” is intrinsically evil:159
 
I am wanting to get to know more couples who have opted to NOT use Natural Family Planning/Fertility Awareness Methods. Do any other couples practice this?
Hello! 🙂 We have decided to leave the size of our family in God’s hands as far as possible, so we do not use NFP or any other fertility awareness methods. If our circumstances change in the future, we wouldn’t hesitate to make use of NFP…but I would have to get around to learning it first! 😛

About three years ago my DH re-verted and I converted to the Catholic Church. Previously we had attended protestant churches who taught that ABC was perfectly acceptable, so we used it. Actually, we always deeply admired the protestants we knew who didn’t use it and put all their trust in God’s provision for their needs. We wanted to do this but we were fearful of the consequences. Our eldest child was born with cerebral palsy and is severely intellectually and physically disabled. He has very high support needs, so there is a lot of work involved in his care but he is the dearest darling in the world…and the happiest person I know. 🙂 Our second born son has been a major handful since birth…he is healthy but wild as they come! We had wanted a large family but felt stretched to the limit.

After our conversion we felt deep guilt and regret over our use of ABC…imagine all the little souls that we stopped from entering this world. 😦 I am just grateful that the pill made me feel dreadful and I threw them away after a couple of months and switched to a barrier method. I had no idea that it could act as an abortifacient…my fault for not researching it properly.

We understood that we had been forgiven through the sacrament of confession but we wanted to show our true contrition to God by placing our fertility totally in His hands. The following month our third son was conceived. 🙂 And thanks be to God he is the most angelic little strawberry-blonde haired, blue eyed angel a mother could wish for…God answered my prayers for an easy one this time round lol!

So…now we are waiting for a few girls to even the score! Or more boys…we’re not fussy. o.k. o.k. I admit it…I’m longing for a little girl!

Sadly, almost everyone we know thinks we are absolutely crazy for daring to break the almighty “two-child barrier”. It seems that everyone thinks we have “grave reason” to avoid…except us! 😛 My mother-in-law, a devout Catholic who raised six children, says “You should take it easy.” Our local parish priest said to us “I think you’ve got your hands full already.” My own mother (not Catholic) has not been happy to hear of the impending arrival of any of her grandchildren. 😦

But we know the truth…God always always always provides. 🙂 He has always provided the grace we needed to get through impossibly difficult times. He has always provided for us financially…with opportunities for further study and promotion for my DH and leading me to find new ways and means to manage our home on one income. Of course it takes our co-operation and sacrafice and it has been far from easy. But we are over the moon to be home in His Church…to have the Sacraments…the Communion of Saints…His Word…the Tradition of the Catholic Church. I’m pretty sure we would not feel so brave without it!
 
Hello! We have decided to leave the size of our family in God’s hands as far as possible, so we do not use NFP or any other fertility awareness methods. If our circumstances change in the future, we wouldn’t hesitate to make use of NFP…but I would have to get around to learning it first! 😛

About three years ago my DH re-verted and I converted to the Catholic Church. Previously we had attended protestant churches who taught that ABC was perfectly acceptable, so we used it. Actually, we always deeply admired the protestants we knew who didn’t use it and put all their trust in God’s provision for their needs. We wanted to do this but we were fearful of the consequences. Our eldest child was born with cerebral palsy and is severely intellectually and physically disabled. He has very high support needs, so there is a lot of work involved in his care but he is the dearest darling in the world…and the happiest person I know. Our second born son has been a major handful since birth…he is healthy but wild as they come! We had wanted a large family but felt stretched to the limit.

After our conversion we felt deep guilt and regret over our use of ABC…imagine all the little souls that we stopped from entering this world. I am just grateful that the pill made me feel dreadful and I threw them away after a couple of months and switched to a barrier method. I had no idea that it could act as an abortifacient…my fault for not researching it properly.

We understood that we had been forgiven through the sacrament of confession but we wanted to show our true contrition to God by placing our fertility totally in His hands. The following month our third son was conceived. And thanks be to God he is the most angelic little strawberry-blonde haired, blue eyed angel a mother could wish for…God answered my prayers for an easy one this time round lol!

So…now we are waiting for a few girls to even the score! Or more boys…we’re not fussy. o.k. o.k. I admit it…I’m longing for a little girl!

Sadly, almost everyone we know thinks we are absolutely crazy for daring to break the almighty “two-child barrier”. It seems that everyone thinks we have “grave reason” to avoid…except us! 😛 My mother-in-law, a devout Catholic who raised six children, says “You should take it easy.” Our local parish priest said to us “I think you’ve got your hands full already.” My own mother (not Catholic) has not been happy to hear of the impending arrival of any of her grandchildren.

But we know the truth…God always always always provides. He has always provided the grace we needed to get through impossibly difficult times. He has always provided for us financially…with opportunities for further study and promotion for my DH and leading me to find new ways and means to manage our home on one income. Of course it takes our co-operation and sacrafice and it has been far from easy. But we are over the moon to be home in His Church…to have the Sacraments…the Communion of Saints…His Word…the Tradition of the Catholic Church. I’m pretty sure we would not feel so brave without it!
Beautiful post! What an awesome witness!

Welcome home! I will pray for God’s continued blessings on you and your family. :crossrc:
 
I’m not married but I honestly don’t think I’d want to use NFP is I was but then again I’m in my upper 30s and would welcome any children God chose to give me. I would probably also use use breast feeding to space any children as it’s a natural way and total up to Gods peragative. 👍
 
Its completely different. There is nothing wrong with abstinence. There is always something wrong with impure thoughts.
No one is talking about abstinence. Abstinence is fine. However using NFP to circumvent God’s will of pro-creation is no different than using physical barriers. In your heart, your forsaking God to satisfy the desires of the flesh.
 
No one is talking about abstinence. Abstinence is fine. However using NFP to circumvent God’s will of pro-creation is no different than using physical barriers. In your heart, your forsaking God to satisfy the desires of the flesh.
You’re welcome to your opinion, but it is not what the Church teaches.
 
No one is talking about abstinence. Abstinence is fine. However using NFP to circumvent God’s will of pro-creation is no different than using physical barriers. In your heart, your forsaking God to satisfy the desires of the flesh.
You know how NFP works right?

So is it a sin of the flesh to have sex with your wife when she isn’t fertile? How about after menopause?

You are not circumvent God’s will of pro-creation you are working with it. Circumventing would be wrapping your package or popping a pill. With NFP you have done nothing to prevent having children except not act on your desires of the flesh.
 
No one is talking about abstinence. Abstinence is fine. However using NFP to circumvent God’s will of pro-creation is no different than using physical barriers. In your heart, your forsaking God to satisfy the desires of the flesh.
You really need to read the Catechism on this topic (posted several times, btw), because you are wrong!!! NFP (periodic abstinence) is allowed by the Church when a couple has a grave/serious reason to space or postpone pregnancy. It’s the alternative to total abstinence. The use of NFP does not alter the physical act in anyway. It is not a barrier.

Here’s the Catechism reference scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a6.htm#2366:
2370
<<370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality.158 These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, “every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible” is intrinsically evil:159

Thus the innate language that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory language, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other. This leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love, which is called upon to give itself in personal totality. . . . The difference, both anthropological and moral, between contraception and recourse to the rhythm of the cycle . . . involves in the final analysis two irreconcilable concepts of the human person and of human sexuality.160>>

Hope that helps clear up confusion about the matter.

Jennifer
 
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