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John 2:13-7
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Why?
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anon52328184
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why should churchcamefirst do research on his own about herod or why do i pray that someday the 3rd temple will be rebuilt on the temple mound?
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Isa_Almisry
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The latter. I’ve already answered churchcamefirst.
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Isa_Almisry
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Ohh, I get to answer a question now!
Given the state of the world, it seems that this prophecy has not yet come to pass. From a Catholic point of view, the “times of the Messiah” are still upon us, since Jesus said that He will never leave us. Perhaps the rabbi was referring to the endtimes?
On another tack, I think that passage means that God’s law will be recognized as supreme in all the world, expanding Israel from that small (but beautiful) bit of land, and an ethnically distinct people to all the land, and all the human race.
Ok, my turn
Are you waiting for the Messiah?
And…
Do you know if pardes/] is the root of the English word “paradise”?
If I can butt in on the last question, as it is just a linguistic one and not a Jewish one.
yes, but it comes not from the Hebrew (which in turn comes from the Aramaic), but from the Greek:
The word “paradise” entered English from the French “paradis”, inherited from the Latin “paradisus”, which came from Greek παραδεισος (royal garden).[1] The Greek word came from the Persian Avestan word “pairidaêza-” (an Eastern Old Iranian language) = “walled enclosure”,[2] which is a compound of pairi- (= “around”) (a cognate of Greek περί peri-) and -diz (= “to create, make”), a cognate of English “dough”.
An associated word is the Sanskrit word paradēsha = “foreign country” or “supreme country” from Sanskrit para = “beyond” (Greek περα perā) and dēsha = “land, country”.
The word also entered Semitic languages: Akkadian pardesu, Arabic firdaws (فردوس), Aramaic pardaysa (ܦܪܕܝܣܐ), and Hebrew pardes.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise#Etymology
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because i don’t believe the mosque should be there.
i believe it is a myth as to whatever was supposed to have happened on that spot in islam. i don’t remember if that is where they said that muhammed rose to heaven or what.
jerusalem is not mentioned in the quran.
jerusalem is mentioned in the old and new testaments many times.
i believe it is a myth as to whatever was supposed to have happened on that spot in islam. i don’t remember if that is where they said that muhammed rose to heaven or what.
jerusalem is not mentioned in the quran.
jerusalem is mentioned in the old and new testaments many times.
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Isa_Almisry
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Actually it is mentioned in the Quran a number of times. Not that I care.
But why a Third Temple? Your profile says “Roman Catholic.” If you want to see the Temple, He’s in your local Tabernacle.
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anon52328184
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yes, but i think the jewish people would like to see a third temple.
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anon52328184
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i think i have read and heard many times that jerusalem is not mentioned in the qu’ran.
yes, i am roman catholic, but i would like to see a temple on the temple mount rather than the mosque.
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churchcamefirst
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Love that answer…but I understand to have a Temple rather than a mosque.
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Sepharad
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They’re only growing among Gentile Christians who like things Jewish, and people of partial or secular/nonreligious Jewish backgrounds.
Jews who genuinely know and have been raised in traditional Judaism never fall for it.
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Sepharad
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All of those passages are based on distortions, the early Christians worked to make them fit Jesus. A person who truly knows Jewish teaching and belief knows what those passages actually refer to.
All of those passages can be explained from the Jewish POV at
faithstrengthened.org/FS_TOC.html
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Isa_Almisry
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Yes, and a different Messiah, which is why your affliation puzzles me.
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Isa_Almisry
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I assure you it is mentioned. It is also called “the First Qiblah (direction of prayer).”
How about a Church?
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Is that ex cathedra?
I personally know that you are wrong on this, and I can’t believe I know the only fomer Jews this is true of. True, they usually go for the Vatican or the Orthodox Church, or Protestant denominations rather than Jews for Jesus: is that what you meant?
From conversions, the Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem might be majority Hebrew now.
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Then why did the Jews abadon the Septuagint, which they had been using?
Yes, but without any priority to authority.
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Maybe some would. I’m not one of them. Judaism has evolved for a long time without the Temple and without sacrifices. What would be the point of the Temple other than to do sacrifice and I find no fondness in my heart for the idea of sacrifice of animals.
I see nothing wrong with having a mosque there. It has been there a long time. The conflict between Islam and the Jews is almost entirely borne of a land dispute in the Middle East. Where I live in Chicago, the Jewish and Islamic communities seem to get on well as long as mention is not made of situations overseas. During the midieval period, the Jews were treated better by the Moors in Spain than they were by the Christians because they were pretty much treated equally to all other non-Muslims. It was one of the reasons for the expulsion from Spain after the Christians took it over is that they were seen to have collaborated with the occupiers (well, duh, treat someone badly and don’t be surprised if they’re less willing to be loyal to your regime).
Islam is closer theologically to Judaism than is Christianity to Judaism.
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what does the first qiblah have to do with jerusalem. i have heard many converts from islam say that jerusalem is not mentioned in the qu’ran and i am sure they know what they are talking about.
why not a temple? maybe that could still be part of God’s plan for the jewish people. we have the vatican.
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i disagree with you isa. i think you do care. i think you also care that the mosque remains on the temple mount.
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