Any young earth creationists out there?

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If you click someone’s icon you can access the number of posts they make and the thread to which theybwere replying. It takes a few seconds to skim through a few page. Try it with Glark. There is next to nothing except evolution posts. And you can go back through hundreds if you like.

It can’t be described as anything but obsessive.
 
Gorgias said:
Right… 'cause a literal talking snake, and a literal boat to hold multiple pairs of every living animal on earth are so much more reasonable than a “figurative interpretation”… :roll_eyes:
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You doubt God could make this happen?
 
Gorgias said:
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Glark:
Ah, here it is at last … someone has proffered the totally insane “First Eleven Chapters of Genesis are Figurarive” theory of theistic evolution!
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Right… 'cause a literal talking snake, and a literal boat to hold multiple pairs of every living animal on earth are so much more reasonable than a “figurative interpretation”… :roll_eyes:
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I was always bemused as a kid that the snake’s punishment was to have to crawl on his belly all the days of his life. Not really too much of a hardship I would have thought for a snake. It would be like telling a fish he was being punished by having to swim under water.
 
I think quite a lot of you seem confused about what God can and cannot do. You seem to hold to a belief that He couldn’t create Man using the evolutionary process.

Not what I would call omnipotent.
 
Well, to be honest I think I agree with every word of that except the last sentence!
 
On the same token, many people seem confused about what inanimate, unthinking matter can and cannot do.

Your post does highlight the fact that within Catholic teaching there is room to hold for some type of evolution. Catholics may hold to a direct reading of Genesis. One can also hold to evolution to a degree. But the debate on what that actually means is ongoing. Some take too deist a view of God, saying that He created and just let things go, including evolution by chance without recognition of His role throughout the process.
 
buffalo said:
You doubt God could make this happen?
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That wasn’t the question. The assertion that @Glark made was that “figurative language” in the beginning chapters of Genesis is “insane.” On the face of it, a figurative interpretation is much, much more ‘sane’ than are talking snakes and a boat that houses a menagerie.

In any case, I think you have to ask yourself “do you believe Noah could make this happen?”, not God… 😉
 
bobperk said:
On the same token, many people seem confused about what inanimate, unthinking matter can and cannot do.

Your post does highlight the fact that within Catholic teaching there is room to hold for some type of evolution. Catholics may hold to a direct reading of Genesis. One can also hold to evolution to a degree. But the debate on what that actually means is ongoing. Some take too deist a view of God, saying that He created and just let things go, including evolution by chance without recognition of His role throughout the process.
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I have not seen that deist line taken at all. Not once. Anywhere. Especially not by any given atheist. For very obvious reasons.

What we have here is a thread (and there are others like it) where people exhault in their own ignorance. They are fundamentalists. Believing literally in arks and talking serpents and global floods. And evolution cannot be accepted because it contradicts their fundamentalist beliefs. Because it certainly doesn’t contradict anything that God may or may not have done. In fact, the process clarifies for many Christians the process by which God brought us to this point. Just like we understand the formation of all the elements. And the formation of galaxies and solar systems. And planets and the variety of life on this particular one.

So this isn’t satan deceiving the masses. This isn’t a secular plot to reject God. But that is how some on this forum would have you believe. They only have risible creationism claims to counter the gargantuan mass of evidence for the fact that we have evolved so they need to claim it’s a plot of some sort.

And there isn’t one among them who is honest enough to admit that. As there is not one among them who has even a reasonable understanding of the subject in any case. Their posts drip with ignorance. And when called on it they deflect and resort to schoolyard taunts and throw more nonsense into the mix. Because who among them will admit that they haven’t studied in any real detail that which they want to disparage. It’s like me rejecting quantum theory if I never got past quadratic equations.

They convert no-one. They only preach to the small minded slack-mouthed choir who know no better. Thankfully they are a tiny fraction of genuine Christians. They serve only as a whipping boy for those who do wish to denigrate your religious beliefs. The bright light of education will have these idiots scurrying for dark corners and they can mutter amongst themselves for as long as they like.
 
And I’m not sure if you are one of those preaching or one of the choir who might consider himself bright enough to reach such a position.

Nah. You know so little about the matter I’m putting you down as a member of the choir. A wannabe preacher.
 
Bradskii said:
And there isn’t one among them who is honest enough to admit that. As there is not one among them who has even a reasonable understanding of the subject in any case.
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I didn’t know one had to have a genius IQ to understand evolution. It is that complex?
 
Bradskii said:
And I’m not sure if you are one of those preaching or one of the choir who might consider himself bright enough to reach such a position.

Nah. You know so little about the matter I’m putting you down as a member of the choir. A wannabe preacher.
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Why didn’t you answer this question? Did God know what Adam would look like?
 
buffalo said:
Why didn’t you answer this question? Did God know what Adam would look like?
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@Bradskii isn’t a theist. Your question lacks a context that’s meaningful to him, so it’s like asking “when did you stop beating your wife?”

But, I do believe in God. So I can take a stab at it:
  • God is eternal
  • God created the universe
  • God is therefore outside of space and outside of time
  • God does not experience the temporal framework as we do; rather, he exists in an eternal ‘now’.
Therefore, God knows what all of his creations “look like.”

(As an aside, this means that there is no relevance for this question to the present discussion of evolution – God would know what the first true human looks like whether He created him ex nihilo or created him as the result of evolutionary processes.)
 
Gorgias said:
@Bradskii isn’t a theist. Your question lacks a context that’s meaningful to him, so it’s like asking “when did you stop beating your wife?”

But, I do believe in God. So I can take a stab at it:
  • God is eternal
  • God created the universe
  • God is therefore outside of space and outside of time
  • God does not experience the temporal framework as we do; rather, he exists in an eternal ‘now’.
Therefore, God knows what all of his creations “look like.”

(As an aside, this means that there is no relevance for this question to the present discussion of evolution – God would know what the first true human looks like whether He created him ex nihilo or created him as the result of evolutionary processes.)
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He brings up God’s omnipotence which in fact is not how we understand God. He may not believe, but he is very present in these forums.
 
buffalo said:
He brings up God’s omnipotence which in fact is not how we understand God.
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We don’t understand God as ‘omnipotent’? 🤔

I see this as @Bradskii calling us on what we actually do claim about God. And, to tell the truth, I think he makes a good point: if we’re willing to claim that God created the universe ex nihilo, how can we claim that God cannot choose any particular mechanism which gives rise to human life?
 
Gorgias said:
I see this as @Bradskii calling us on what we actually do claim about God. And, to tell the truth, I think he makes a good point: if we’re willing to claim that God created the universe ex nihilo , how can we claim that God cannot choose any particular mechanism which gives rise to human life?
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The followup question which no theistic evo ever answers:

Did Adam look as God had planned?
 
buffalo said:
Did God know what Adam would look like?
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God knows eternally what Adam looks like.

If God doesn’t know something, then it doesn’t exist. If it exists now, did once exist, or will one day exists, then God knows it eternally and timelessly.
 
buffalo said:
No, we understand Him as almighty.
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You recognize that all-mighty and omnipotent are identical, right?
There are things He cannot not do, such as:

He cannot lie
Cannot deceive
Cannot make a square circle
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These are things which contradict His nature. “Not doing them” isn’t proof of a lack of potency or might – they’re simply illogical constructs.
 
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