Any young earth creationists out there?

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buffalo said:
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Gorgias:
You claim fails, then. I answered your question. 😉
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Not with a yes or no.
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buffalo said:
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Gorgias:
no, God is not surprised.
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Bingo!..
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Not only did I respond to it with a “yes or no”, but you literally responded to my answer.

Seriously, @buffalo. It’s really difficult to carry on a conversation if you deny facts in existence. :roll_eyes:
 
Gorgias said:
Not only did I respond to it with a “yes or no”, but you literally responded to my answer .

Seriously, @buffalo. It’s really difficult to carry on a conversation if you deny facts in existence. :roll_eyes:
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We agree that Adam looked as God planned.
 
I agree but I would add that scientism, like any product, is being heavily marketed here. Which is why these types of threads will continue.
 
Bradskii said:
I have not seen that deist line taken at all. Not once. Anywhere. Especially not by any given atheist. For very obvious reasons.
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I was referring to some Catholic thought outside this thread and forum. The 2004 International Theological Commission document Stewardship and Communion, while not a part of Magisterial teaching, was nonetheless drafted with some guidance from Vatican clergy and takes a somewhat “deist” view of evolution, but perhaps was just worded awkwardly. But some modern Catholic theologians and philosophers, disregarding all previous teachings and statements of the Church, refer to this one document alone in their treatment of evolution and its compatibility to the faith. I know this perhaps may not be of interest to you, but here I am just trying to put my other post into context.
 
buffalo said:
Theistic evolutionist.
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I guess…I believe that Genesis is a true account, that God expressed exactly what He did…
I find no contradiction with science…I feel science is the fingerprint of God…

If you search under my name in this thread you can read further on what I have had to say…

To sum it up succinctly, God is the three big O’s…Omniscient, Omnipresent and Omnipotent, nothing is impossible for God, there is not even a possibility for impossibility with God…He lives outside our dimension and is not subject to His created laws for His created creatures…
 
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sci·en·tism

excessive belief in the power of scientific knowledge and techniques.
 
The Magician’s Twin - CS Lewis
A powerful must see video:

The Magician’s Twin: C.S. Lewis and the Case against Scientism

The Similarity Between Science and Magic
  1. Science as religion
  2. Science as credulity
  3. Science as power
Evolution is an alternative religion

 
buffalo said:
sci·en·tism

excessive belief in the power of scientific knowledge and techniques.
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That’s one way to define it. I prefer to use St Pope John Paul II’s definition from Fides et ratio:
John Paul II:
scientism is the philosophical notion which refuses to admit the validity of forms of knowledge other than those of the positive sciences
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No one here, to the best of my knowledge, is making that claim.
 
Gorgias said:
No one here, to the best of my knowledge, is making that claim.
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Every time someone makes science claim ________________________, that challenges the long held understanding if Scripture, then we must adjust the interpretation of Scripture. Yet, science, by its own definition is provisional. Revelation is true and protected by the Holy Spirit.
 
buffalo said:
Every time someone makes science claim ________________________, that challenges the long held understanding if Scripture, then we must adjust the interpretation of Scripture.
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Two thoughts:
  • First, that only means that you must adjust your interpretation of Scripture. Big difference. 😉
  • Second, your example doesn’t prove the assertion of a philosophical stance that says that only science is valid
So… on both counts, your claim of ‘scientism’ does not hold up to scrutiny. 🤷‍♂️
 
I disagree. A reading of the encyclical Humani Generis focuses on errors creeping into the thinking of Catholic theologians and the laity. Those ideas floating around out there today are sometimes meant to confuse, distort and deny reality in return for false ‘upheavals’ in Catholic thinking. This applies to the Church and the lay person. I put the Word of God over the word of science and the words of the current promoters of ‘cultural upheavals’ as well. This has been described as a “culture war” and for good reason.
 
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edwest211 said:
Those ideas floating around out there today are sometimes meant to confuse
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Fair enough. Yet, they don’t rise to the level of “a philosophy that asserts that science is the only source of truth”, which is what scientism is.
 
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Some only believe science. The Bible, especially Genesis, was written by a bunch of ignorant/bronze age sheep herders and should be ignored. Science is the only source of true knowledge. The Bible? No - for some.
 
buffalo said:
Every time someone makes science claim ________________________, that challenges the long held understanding if Scripture, then we must adjust the interpretation of Scripture. Yet, science, by its own definition is provisional. Revelation is true and protected by the Holy Spirit.
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However, like it or not, it is a fact that we are allowed to believe that the theory of evolution is correct, as long as we follow the limitations stipulated in Humani Generis. The Vatican has permitted this, and no Catholic suffers any penalty, or even sin of impiety for obeying the Vatican when following their conscience.
 
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