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Gorgias
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Fair enough. “Did God know what Adam would look like?”, though, is a different sort of question.
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buffalo
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Care to answer? Did Adam look as God had planned?Fair enough. “Did God know what Adam would look like?”, though, is a different sort of question.
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Bradskii
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No. It’s extremely simple. My grandson knows how it works. Yet you don’t.Bradskii:
I didn’t know one had to have a genius IQ to understand evolution. It is that complex?
You really don’t get it, do you. If you showed any understanding of the process at all (and you don’t) and if you stopped ridiculing basic science (and you do) and said: ‘Yes, I understand how evolution works. I can see where the evidence points to it. But my faith leads me to a more literal reading of Genesis’, then I would respect your views, I would respect you for being honest and we would move on.
But you don’t. You bend the truth to suit your views. You call everyone else fools. You denigrate even senior members of your own faith. You twist honest people’s words. You use sarcasm instead of argument. You cut and paste with no thought. You keep throwing mud and hope some of it might stick. You congratulate others when they exhibit their own ignorance.
You have become a parody of yourself and deserve no respect.
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Gorgias
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That’s a different question. Yet, it’s no more difficult to answer:
God is outside of time and space. He knows all things that were, that are, and that will be. He knows what all humans look like.
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buffalo
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Ahhh ahhh ahhh, don’t slip away.God is outside of time and space. He knows all things that were, that are, and that will be. He knows what all humans look like.
Did Adam look as God had planned? Yes or no
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leonhardprintz
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I think the only consistent position for a creationist to take is to admit that the scientific evidence as far as it is known points squarely to an old earth and supports the theory of evolution.
I have the highest respect for an eastern orthodox friend who out of humble pious respect for the Church Fathers believe in the cosmology they espoused. He does agree that this is entirely a leap of faith, and he feels no urge at all to justify this scientifically.
I have the highest respect for an eastern orthodox friend who out of humble pious respect for the Church Fathers believe in the cosmology they espoused. He does agree that this is entirely a leap of faith, and he feels no urge at all to justify this scientifically.
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Gorgias
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I think you’re trying to ask whether God can be surprised by any given process. You might as well be asking about the dinner I’ll be cooking tonight. It’s reasonable to ask “do you know, Gorgias, that it will look as you had planned it to look?”… and I’d answer, “I won’t know until I make it.”
However, if you ask God, “do you know, God, whether Gorgias’ dinner will look as he planned it to look?”, He’d reply “of course I do – I know all things!”
But, even that’s a half-step away from what you’re asking – you’re asking whether God can be surprised or thwarted in His will. The answer, of course, is no. So, whether God’s will was to create the first human in his physicality directly or it was to create the first human’s physical being through a process, the answer is same to both questions: yes, God knows His will; yes, God’s will is manifest; no, God is not surprised.
You might want to assert your ‘gotcha’ directly – you’re not getting there through Q & A…
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buffalo
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A world-famous chemist tells the truth: there’s no scientist alive today who understands macroevolution
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buffalo
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Bingo!..
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Gorgias
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buffalo
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You did not answer a simple yes or no. Why is that?Umm… I just did.
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Gorgias
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I was a good math student back in the day. I show my work.
(In the context of the forums, it “heads off at the pass” any misunderstandings.)
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buffalo
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My claim still stands. Theistic evos will not answer the question.I was a good math student back in the day. I show my work.
(In the context of the forums, it “heads off at the pass” any misunderstandings.)
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Gorgias
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You claim fails, then. I answered your question.
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BlueMaxx
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Care to answer? Did Adam look as God planned?
Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
Clear enough for you?
Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
Clear enough for you?
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leonhardprintz
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God does not plan. God knows. If anything exists God knows it, if something doesn’t exists then God does not know about it. God can’t be surprised. God can’t learn.
Because the question is an excluded middle fallacy. It assumes that God’s knowledge can be compared to the planning of an architect, instead of the timeless and eternal knowledge that more suitable describes God’s knowledge of the world.
An excluded middle fallacy is a fallacy of the worm “Have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or no?”
Notice how answering yes or no to that still affirms that you’ve beaten your wife.
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buffalo
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Not with a yes or no.You claim fails, then. I answered your question.
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leonhardprintz
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Ah, so you’ve stopped beating your wife? Yes or no?
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leonhardprintz
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Yes I am. Though try to actually write out the full term, otherwise it looks a deprecatory term.
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