Any young earth creationists out there?

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Hugh_Farey said:
It cannot be that they are striving after the scientific truth, as they don’t care to investigate it at all, and anyway it should be irrelevant to specifically Catholic Answers. No, by their own insistence it is on theological grounds.
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That’s what I don’t understand. They keep claiming theological grounds, when the Church has made it very clear that accepting science is not a problem for Catholics. Do they know better than the Church?

Anybody remember Yul Brynner? “Is a puzzlement!”
 
Richca said:
I don’t believe evolution killed them off except for the possible idea that a created superior animal out-competed as it were a prior created inferior animal in the same environment, not that the superior animal evolved from the inferior one. It is a fundamental philosophical and reasonable principle that creatures naturally tend to preserve themselves in existence along with their natures in existence. We observe this not only in the world of plants and animals now but also in the fossil record which goes by the name of stasis.
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This is fair enough. I believe the supplanting one did evolve, and you think it was created, but essentially what you say is reasonable.
However, Darwinism has a contrary and in my opinion irrational principle of nature contrary to observation. According to Darwinian evolutionism, it is a principle of the nature of organisms and plants that they evolve into different natures and essentially exterminate themselves. Essentially organisms evolve to destroy themselves. God created animals to live, exist, and be, not to evolve to destroy themselves.
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But this is a misrepresentation, I think. Organisms do not “evolve to destroy themselves”, they evolve to survive. Sometimes a species becomes extinct because of environmental catastrophe, but more often, the gradual changing of one species into another over time does not reflect destruction, but continuity.
 
Hugh_Farey said:
All this makes me wonder why the Creationists of this forum are so anti-evolution.
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It’s something they picked up from conservative evangelical protestants. It doesn’t come from within the church.

the one theologist from this time period that might interest you is Thielhard de Chardin, who was a Jesuit paleontologist. But he was an evolutionist. Here’s his Wiki page:

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Pierre_Teilhard_de_Chardin


Good luck!
 
One has to wonder where the Holy Spirit was all this time. Perhaps sleeping and allowing 20 centuries of misunderstanding.
 
buffalo said:
One has to wonder where the Holy Spirit was all this time. Perhaps sleeping and allowing 20 centuries of misunderstanding.
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Or perhaps guiding centuries of scientific advancement and increased understanding of the universe.
 
Vatican II? That’s a whopper. A bigger than usual one. Vatican II has zero - absolutely nothing - to do with this. When it ended in 1965, atheists thought they had a real scapegoat to blame for everything that happened right after. That is a total falsehood. Although the Liturgical Reform did occur, I believe everything I was taught in Catholic school. Everything.

And don’t blame me or anyone else here of ignoring Church teaching. The only reason these discussions exist is to promote atheism. To promote the evolution worldview as another book of the Bible. It’s not.

I know there are extinct animals, with more going extinct every year. That’s not the whole story. “Mainly concerned with evolution as it “involves the question of man,” however, Pope John Paul’s message is specifically critical of materialistic theories of human origins and insists on the relevance of philosophy and theology for an adequate understanding of the “ontological leap” to the human which cannot be explained in purely scientific terms.”
 
edwest211 said:
When it ended in 1965, atheists thought they had a real scapegoat to blame for everything that happened right after.
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This doesn’t mean anything. Atheists never blamed the Catholic Church for anything, nor needed a scapegoat. What are you on about?
I believe everything I was taught in Catholic school. Everything.
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Quite possibly. How long ago was that, though?
And don’t blame me or anyone else here of ignoring Church teaching.
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Why not? You do. You have. You will again.
The only reason these discussions exist is to promote atheism.
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Really? I’ve long suspected that. And they’re successful too. Now who started this one? Ah, yes, Semper Catholicus, as atheist as they come. And what about the long running “Is Evolution True” series? Techno2000; another closet atheist. And there’s the current “Why you should think Evolution is true” - that’s got IWantGod as the OP. And the one about the film starring the bonkers Wolfgang Smith - Buffalo started that.

Why, you might ask yourself, did these good people start these threads? Why did Semper Catholicus want to initiate a discussion about Young Earth Creationism, and specifically ask people who don’t believe in it to comment?

Sinister. Maybe you’re right. The only reason these discussions exist is to promote atheism.
 
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angel12 said:
Or perhaps guiding centuries of scientific advancement and increased understanding of the universe.
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Catholic dogma is like a bush. It grows organically and with a fuller understanding. It does not reverse itself.
 
In the late 1960s when the Hippies, Radicals and Anarchists showed up in our neighborhoods, I heard: “You Catholics think sex is dirty.”

No, we Catholics got married, had kids and enjoyed sex. We were taught to stay away from ‘loose women’ who slept around.

“All you Catholics do is listen to the Pope. Why don’t you think for yourselves?” translation: Why don’t you think like us?

Early 1970s: “Quit trying to shove your religion down my throat!” Thanks for the confrontational attitude.

1970s: I’m at a media convention and start talking to a dealer: “Show me God. If you can show me God I might believe in him.” Then his wife heard us talking and with an angry tone, said, “Your religion says my son can’t masturbate!” Yes, it does. And I see the same questions being posted here.

They wanted us Catholics to accept their way of life. They wanted to re-form society to their image. And deny God in the process. Suddenly, books about Eastern mysticism began to fill book shelves. It was the ‘acceptable’ substitute for Christianity.

That’s what I’m on about.
 
buffalo said:
Catholic dogma is like a bush. It grows organically and with a fuller understanding. It does not reverse itself.
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It doesn’t hide it’s head in the sand and pretend we haven’t learned anything in the last thousand years, either.
God gave us brains for a reason. I’m pretty sure He expected us to use them. But you are, of course, free to disagree on that point.
 
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We can learn about things that are testable and repeatable, not extrapolations that use the words “may,” “must” and “apparently.” I don’t regard knowledge without a factual basis as real knowledge, in the secular sphere. It is speculation at best. When I read nonsense like “the eye evolved at least 5 times,” I have to wonder how the writer knows that. And if that’s true, it contradicts the “blind watchmaker” idea and it cuts the time needed for evolution to do anything even close to that by millions of years. This theory rests on a simple equation: given enough time, everything from single-celled organisms can evolve into fish and birds and plants, followed by other living things.

As the human genome is literally being taken apart right now and is showing greater and greater complexity, the time factor is in the impossible range. Right now.
 
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edwest211 said:
When I read nonsense like “the eye evolved at least 5 times,” I have to wonder how the writer knows that.
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No you don’t. You don’t have to wonder, because if you did you could look it up, but in fact you don’t wonder at all. You don’t want to know.
And if that’s true, it contradicts the “blind watchmaker” idea and it cuts the time needed for evolution to do anything even close to that by millions of years.
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It is true, and it is also true that evolution doesn’t take the impossibly long time creationists like to pretend.
This theory rests on a simple equation: given enough time, everything from single-celled organisms can evolve into fish and birds and plants, followed by other living things.
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Indeed it does.
 
Nothing inappropriate about references to other threads:
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“The Principle” Interview With Dr. Wolfgang Smith Galileo Was Wrong Philosophy
But what about the physics?
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Research Flat Earth Philosophy
I believe there is enough evidence out there to conclude we have been lied to about our earth. My Catholic Bible does depict the early model of a Flat Earth. Do not look at Flat Earth Society, but watch Eric Dubay, and Jake Gibson, or " Flat Earth *********" (sorry, that’s what he goes by). The earth can be round and flat, like a quarter, or maybe it’s an infinite plane, but research is out there. At a minimum, the world we think we live in, is not what they’ve showed us.
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