Any young earth creationists out there?

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Hugh_Farey said:
That Creationists’ belief in the divine is so shaky that it depends on manifestations of the supernatural, rather than the glorious, complex but coherent explanation of the observed universe that demonstrates him to Evolutionists.
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What a coincidence - the same “glorious, complex but coherent explanation of the observed universe” you refer to is exactly the same explanation that atheists are truly and madly in love with!
 
Many Muslims reject evolution too. Did they also pick it up from conservative evangelical protestants?
 
Hugh_Farey said:
No you don’t. You don’t have to wonder, because if you did you could look it up, but in fact you don’t wonder at all. You don’t want to know.
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Personally, I’ve got better things to do than investigate every space-cadet hypothesis evolutionism serves up - there’s a real world out there!
 
Hugh_Farey said:
To everybody except Young Earth Creationists - and good for them by standing by their guns - the bible is not literally true in every respect
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I challenge you to demonstrate that there is even one YEC who thinks the Bible should be read literally in every respect.
Much of it is, as carefully worded by the teaching of the Catholic Church, “figurative”. No Catholic can “pick and choose what (if anything ) in the Bible he does or does not believe,” willy-nilly, or independently. His interpretations must always fall within the constraints of the teaching of the Church, which does not deny, I think, that everything I say above may be true, and is certainly an acceptable field of inquiry.
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This sounds funny coming from someone who considers great swathes of the Bible (OT and NT) to be myth, superstition and children’s stories.
Where does the Church say much of the Bible is “figurative”.
 
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Sarcelle said:
Science is a legitimate process on learning about the natural world and is a gift of God. It is not the poisoned fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
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“Repeat a myth often enough and long enough and the masses with start to believe it. Call the myth “science” and this process will accelerate 1000-fold” - Satan.
 
semper_catholicus said:
In the Latin Vulgate, the word used in place of “globe” is “gyrum,” which is translated as “circle,” and not “globe.”
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Even if it is “circle”, the point is, why is the earth described that way? Why would a human describe the earth as a “circle”?
 
Yes, I think so. Sorry I wasn’t clearer. This seems to instruct that the body of Adam could have come from “pre-existent and living matter”, but his soul must have been spontaneously created.
buffalo said:
Uh, no. …
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buffalo said:
Do we have humans among us without original sin?
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Quite so. My clumsiness. The teaching is indeed that the entire human race arose from a single couple, but I think it does not deny that that single couple could have been born from many ancestors - the “pre-existent and living matter”. It does deny that there were any ‘simultaneous’ humans.
Techno2000 said:
I didn’t use the Latin Vulgate, I used the Douay-Rheims Bible.
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semper_catholicus said:
The Douay came from the Vulgate.
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And the Vulgate came from the Hebrew. Surely if you want to know the word of God you ought to try to understand it in the language it was first written in, not in subsequent translations.
Glark said:
Your words are harsh and they crash into my fragile, egg-shell mind like lusty blows from a cricket bat, directed cranially.
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Sorry, Glark. Tough love and all that…
Glark said:
Why did God give me a unevolved brain that cannot see the beautiful truth of evolution?
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God rejoices in the simple as much as in the complex.
Glark said:
Personally, I’ve got better things to do than investigate every space-cadet hypothesis evolutionism serves up - there’s a real world out there!
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Well exactly. You stick to your guns.
Glark said:
I challenge you to demonstrate that there is even one YEC who thinks the Bible should be read literally in every respect.
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Semper Catholicus, Nelka, Carmel.
Glark said:
Where does the Church say much of the Bible is “figurative”.
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… Yawn … Keep up. It’s all detailed above.
Glark said:
“Repeat a myth often enough and long enough and the masses with start to believe it. Call the myth “science” and this process will accelerate 1000-fold” - Satan.
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Where exactly does Satan say any such thing? I think you should be more precise in your sources.
 
Hugh_Farey said:
However, we don’t don’t feel defensive. The attacks are too feeble to need defending against.
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Jesus said "In the world you will have tribulation (trouble ) but take courage , I have overcome the world "
also Rev.12:11 " And they overcame him , by the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony for they did not love their lives in face of death "
meaning , they esteemed life as nothing in comparison with loyalty to their faith, even unto martyrdom. Christians are dying every day for their faith. Would you be ready to lay down your life for your theory of evolution ? 🤔
 
Hugh_Farey said:
I challenge you to demonstrate that there is even one YEC who thinks the Bible should be read literally in every respect.

Semper Catholicus, Nelka, Carmel.
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You misrepresent me Hugh, and probably Nelka and Semper Catolicus also… I can tell the difference between factual and parable. However what is truth when you have to uphold your lofty theory above God’s truth ?
 
Glark said:
Is it possible that this decision is part of the Great Apostasy? Yes, most definitely.
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No! No it isn’t! And the Great Apostasy is an idea from Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons. Sects that don’t even believe in the Trinity.

Rememberthis: “You are Peter and on this rock I shall build my truth and that gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Whatever you bound on Earth shall be bound in Heaven and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in Heaven.”

As for your other question,I have never said a Catholic is prohibited from believing in Six Day Creation. My point is to get you to be in line with Church teaching that evolution is permitted even if you don’t personally take that permission.

And you have been given enough information in this thread and others to very well know that evolution is permitted. What you are doing, saying that it isn’t, is a lie. A deliberate falsehood. You’ve been told the truth and refuse to accept it. You are in opposition to the Church. Not for personally belirving in Six Day, but for falsely calling evolution contrary to Catholic faith.
 
mVitus said:
but for falsely calling evolution contrary to Catholic faith.
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Nothing could be more of a contradiction to the Catholic faith than to believe that Adam and Eve came from the wombs of soulless animal creatures.
 
Techno2000 said:
Nothing could be more of a contradiction to the Catholic faith than to believe that Adam and Eve came from the wombs of soulless animal creatures.
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Not according to Humani Generis. (And there would’ve been animal souls.)
 
Yes, they did. It’s practically entirely taken from Evangelical sources. The person responsible for Islamic creationism is Adnan Oktar. From the wikipedia article on him:

"The spread of organized Christian creationism to Islam began in the 1980s, when the Muslim minister of education in Turkey turned to the Institute for Creation Research (ICR), a Christian institution then located near San Diego, California, for help in developing twofold curriculum that would teach evolution and creationism side by side. In 1990, the Science Research Foundation (BAV in Turkish) was formed in Istanbul, headed by Oktar.[41]

For many years Oktar drew on the writings of young earth Christian creationists to develop his case against evolution. However, Islam does not require belief in Young Earth creationism, and making use of the fact that earth may have existed for billions of years, Oktar later produced material which was more similar to Intelligent Design. In fact, Harun Yahya’s website was listed as an “Islamic intelligent design” website by the Discovery Institute.[41] However Oktar does not embrace use of the term ‘Intelligent Design’ due to its lack of specific mention of God, calling it ‘another of Satan’s snares’.[41][42]"
 
mVitus said:
Rememberthis: “You are Peter and on this rock I shall build my truth and that gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Whatever you bound on Earth shall be bound in Heaven and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in Heaven.”
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M.Vitus the power of binding and loosing was given to Peter, after his recognition of the true identity of the Lord. Peter discerned and recognised Jesus in his Divinity . The power of binding and loosing is also accorded to the Apostles as a body. (See Matt.18:18)Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed also in heaven " So the Pope acts in unison with the Cardinals and Bishops. So, you see, when the Church speaks it is with one voice i.e. the Pope who is in union with the Cardinals and Bishops.
God is merciful to people whose faith is a bit weak, but to those who deliberately seek to lead people astray He promises judgement.
 
There is no curse of Ham in Scripture. His son Cush was cursed and there is nothing said about skin colour.
 
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