Anybody out there "pro-choice"?

[NCSue]

I know I am new and I don’t want to be rude, but that attitude is what causes many to not every express their opinions and actually pushes people away from faith. I am pro-choice, only because God gave us free will and if the government is going to restrict that will would we really and truly be Godly people?

I would never want to or have even thought of my wife having an abortion. With that said, I think that women need to be educated and invited to come to the Lord as we have. Stating that pro-choice is a false term is almost as bad as calling people who are pro-choice, pro-abortion, something I hope no one in the world truly is.

Revert TSIEG

Someone made a point earlier in this string that is being glossed over by those who say they are pro-choice.

Does the baby who is killed by abortion have no rights? You’re saying that women should have a choice about what to do with their bodies, but the choice to abort means that a living being will have its life sacrificed without having the option to exercise any choice in the matter at all.

You may call it a “choice”, but it is the act of one person killing another. In my book, that is murder.

At the moment, there is a law before our state legislature that would charge someone with murder of the unborn child if the child is dead as a result of a crime. And yet we allow abortions?

Crazy. Just plain crazy.

 

[Shannon9791]

If so, perhaps you can explain something to me. (Understand that I’m gonna be hard to convince… I’m pro-life in every circumstance…)

Can you please clear up a mystery for me, and tell me what makes sense about this?
acts17verse28.blogspot.com/2009/05/wheres-sense-in-that.html.

I’ve said this before on here, but I’m very pro-choice. I like being able to choose a big mac over a quarter pounder. I like being able to choose Budweiser over Miller. I like being able to choose the Yankees over the Red Sox. I like being able to choose the One True Church founded by Jesus.

 

[mark_a]

The fetus is a creature that’s living inside of a woman, it takes up resources, causes emotional and physical transformations, and a pregnancy may negatively impact the mother socially and economically. And, of course it could potentially cause that woman harm.

Those fetuses have some nerve.

It’s a decision that each woman needs to make on her own,

Every woman DOES make this decision.

and government needs to get the heck out of it.

The government, whose job it is to protect its citizens, should not fund abortion.

 

[NCSue]

Those fetuses have some nerve.{QUOTE]

Almost as though the previous poster implied that a fetus is some sort of parasite or something, huh? The actions of the couple who conceived the fetus seem to have a bit to do with it.

 

[AHapka]

I like being able to choose Budweiser over Miller.

Then you have a serious problem and your conscience is not properly formed.

If you truly believe this grave matter, please make sure you go to Confession before receiving the Eucharist.

 

[Revert_TSIEG]

Then you have a serious problem and your conscience is not properly formed.

If you truly believe this grave matter, please make sure you go to Confession before receiving the Eucharist.

I believe that Shannon was trying to make light of the subject at hand. I believe that having an abortion is wrong, let’s leave it at that. But with other comments stating that the government needs to protect its citizens, how about taking care of all citizens including those who cannot pay for health care, are unable to get a sustainable job, educate all appropriately, and help. I feel that if we do all included in this list, abortions and other atrocities will go down.

Revert TSIEG

 

[Revert_TSIEG]

Someone made a point earlier in this string that is being glossed over by those who say they are pro-choice.

Does the baby who is killed by abortion have no rights? You’re saying that women should have a choice about what to do with their bodies, but the choice to abort means that a living being will have its life sacrificed without having the option to exercise any choice in the matter at all.

You may call it a “choice”, but it is the act of one person killing another. In my book, that is murder.

At the moment, there is a law before our state legislature that would charge someone with murder of the unborn child if the child is dead as a result of a crime. And yet we allow abortions?

Crazy. Just plain crazy.

You are right on many levels… believe that you are touting the words “a right” around too much. I think that at the level we need to be discussing this topic, the appropriate word should be between what is right, and what is wrong. If we, as we do, feel as though it is wrong, we need to help.

Have you ever seen the movie Juno where a high school senior gets pregnant and decides to get an abortions, but comes to the realization that it is wrong. The girl in the movies motivation is not based on her religious beliefs, but by the hard concrete fact that she has a baby in her, not a “fetus”. This illustration to her allows her to have a realization that she need to have the baby.

The ultra-right-wing approach of baring people is not the way to get the to do what you want. We need to, as I have previously stated, educate, so the decisions made are informed and beneficial to all. We all hope and pray the Lord will enable these mothers to have the child and do what is appropriate for all involved.

This is my approach, it in now way endorses the act of abortion, but respects the woman, not the right. It is like saying that you support the troops without supporting the war.

Revert TSIEG

 

[NCSue]

We need to, as I have previously stated, educate, so the decisions made are informed and beneficial to all. We all hope and pray the Lord will enable these mothers to have the child and do what is appropriate for all involved.[Revert TSIEG

Educate?
I don’t mean to be overly harsh, but I’d be willing to wager that virtually all women who choose to abort their babies knew well in advance how to go about the activity of procreation.
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[MarysGirls]

Educate?
I don’t mean to be overly harsh, but I’d be willing to wager that virtually all women who choose to abort their babies knew well in advance how to go about the activity of procreation.

I believe he meant educate on abortion, not procreation. Many women don’t know what they are getting into when they choose to have an abortion. Most regret the abortion and wish they had known then what they know now. About the pain. The guilt. The shame. Sadly, many don’t even realize that the fetus is an actual baby. I am pro-life the whole way, but I sympathize with the girls who made such a huge mistake without knowing any better. Frankly, if nothing can be done to make them keep the baby, then they should give it up for adoption. Or, better yet, give it to me and I’ll take care of it.

 

[Revert_TSIEG]

Educate?
I don’t mean to be overly harsh, but I’d be willing to wager that virtually all women who choose to abort their babies knew well in advance how to go about the activity of procreation.

I hope you really did not get your statement from what I wrote… not to be harsh as well, but I mean that women need to be educated on their decisions… Many women, especially young women are looking at the short term, not the long term implications of their decisions. I am not writing that they are ignorant to the fact that sex may get them pregnant, but that they are ignorant that they are giving a part of them up that is alive. I am for showing all women their unborn child with a sonogram so hopefully they have some insight into their new and great world of having a child.

Revert TSIEG

 

[Revert_TSIEG]

I believe he meant educate on abortion, not procreation. Many women don’t know what they are getting into when they choose to have an abortion. Most regret the abortion and wish they had known then what they know now. About the pain. The guilt. The shame. Sadly, many don’t even realize that the fetus is an actual baby. I am pro-life the whole way, but I sympathize with the girls who made such a huge mistake without knowing any better. Frankly, if nothing can be done to make them keep the baby, then they should give it up for adoption. Or, better yet, give it to me and I’ll take care of it.

MaryGirls, I am soooo glad to see your post. You it the nail on the head. I think that more, frankly, everyone should feel like you. Although I do not call myself pro-life, I think would be willing to have a cup of coffee with you and talk about any of the politically controversial issues.

Revert TSIEG

 

[BobCatholic]

I am pro-choice, only because God gave us free will and if the government is going to restrict that will would we really and truly be Godly people?

I can use that line of reasoning for other things. Why shouldn’t the government prohibit stealing? God gave us free will and if the government is going to restrict that will would we really and truly be Godly people? Why shouldn’t the government prohibit rape? God gave us free will and if the government is going to restrict that will would we really and truly be Godly people?

Would you really want to live in a society that goes that way? I doubt anyone would feel safe there.

Stating that pro-choice is a false term

It is a false term. The unborn child does not have a choice. The father of the child does not have a choice to have an abortion. Those who claim to be “pro-choice” are not for the choice of these two.

Abortion is prejudice against the unborn. With legalized abortion, human rights are only given to the chosen ones - (their mothers chose them to be allowed to have human rights)

I believe in Human rights for all, and not just for the chosen ones.

 

[AHapka]

Another question:

Why is it that if a 14 year old consents to having sex, it’s illegal if a woman has a right to choose what to do with her body? But yet can have an abortion no questions asked.

If you want to keep the government out of women choosing what to do with their bodies, start there.

But yet I know people who are pro-choice who have a problem with pre-teens having sex. That’s very hypocritical…

 

[BobCatholic]

If you want to keep the government out of women choosing what to do with their bodies, start there.

Women have every right to do what they want to do with their bodies. It is the bodies of the other one (the baby) that they don’t have any right to do as they please.

 

[Revert_TSIEG]

I can use that line of reasoning for other things. Why shouldn’t the government prohibit stealing? God gave us free will and if the government is going to restrict that will would we really and truly be Godly people? Why shouldn’t the government prohibit rape? God gave us free will and if the government is going to restrict that will would we really and truly be Godly people?

Would you really want to live in a society that goes that way? I doubt anyone would feel safe there.

It is a false term. The unborn child does not have a choice. The father of the child does not have a choice to have an abortion. Those who claim to be “pro-choice” are not for the choice of these two.

Abortion is prejudice against the unborn. With legalized abortion, human rights are only given to the chosen ones - (their mothers chose them to be allowed to have human rights)

I believe in Human rights for all, and not just for the chosen ones.

What you say is a direct reflection of American society… With your rationale, we should create laws that only we believe to be applicable. It sounds like we or you or all of us are so good in our morals that we should choose what laws need to be made and for whom they are applied to.

My main point is that if we restrict one thing why not another. I strongly believe that legislation should first be passed to make those who are living lives better before we start messing with those who are not living (according to the law of the land). The fact is that we do not live in a society and country that helps its own people, why do you think they would help people who are not even classified, by their own definition, a person?

I know, you know, we all know that abortion is wrong. The argument should not be to restrict… My thought is to get restriction out of your mind for one second and look at this from the perspective of someone with no bias. Legislation needs to be passed to help people, all people, not just those who are capable, if faith, or rich. I think that before we start labeling and judging, the fundamental paradigm of America needs to change. Divisive issues, such as abortion, are issue rooted in both ignorance and fear, two things we need to overcome before we are a better America.

Now as a Church of the faithful… we need to be above this bickering. The Biblical law as well as the Church law states that we will not, so we will not. It is that simple for us, but not all in this country and we need to understand their reasoning and not just say they are wrong, even though we know, from our perspective, they are.

I pray for them.

– Revert TSIEG

 

[Revert_TSIEG]

Another question:

Why is it that if a 14 year old consents to having sex, it’s illegal if a woman has a right to choose what to do with her body? But yet can have an abortion no questions asked.

If you want to keep the government out of women choosing what to do with their bodies, start there.

But yet I know people who are pro-choice who have a problem with pre-teens having sex. That’s very hypocritical…

Honestly, I do not have personal experience with abortions, but I am not sure that the procedure is done, as you state " no questions asked". Any perspectives that have insight?

 

[BobCatholic]

I strongly believe that legislation should first be passed to make those who are living lives better before we start messing with those who are not living (according to the law of the land).

I think it is important to make sure people CAN live versus taking care of those who have been chosen.

If one group can be dehumanized into death like the unborn, it won’t stop there. The culture of death goose-steps forward. The culture of death does not stop at the unborn, now they’re dehumanizing the severely disabled like Terri Schiavo. Then who’s next? They won’t stop with them…

Read this:
First they came…

The argument should not be to restrict…

Agreed. This is why I say “human rights for all, not just for the chosen” It is an interesting way to look at the issue at hand.

 

[AHapka]

Honestly, I do not have personal experience with abortions, but I am not sure that the procedure is done, as you state " no questions asked". Any perspectives that have insight?

In many states, no parental consent is needed:

parentingteens.about.com/od/teenpregfact/a/abortion_laws.htm

 

[NCSue]

In many states, no parental consent is needed:

parentingteens.about.com/od/teenpregfact/a/abortion_laws.htm

In those same states, parental consent would been needed for a minor to get a tattoo or a body piercing. Our nation has gone nuts.

 

[royal_archer]

I read the article that you reference and I think that the poster in that blog was bringing the same question to bear. If the 4D ultrasound of whales and other mammals inspires awe in the general public, why doesn’t the hand of the fetus in that photo from 10 years ago inspire the same awe. I actually remember when the photo of the tiny fist grabbing the surgeon first was published. It did inspire awe in many, many people. It boggles the mind that some people who are vegetarian are also pro-abortion. But don’t lump all “tree-huggers” and “save the whale” fanatics as pro-abortion. I think as catholics we should address each issue rather than putting all liberals in the same box.

A 4D image of a human fetus is equally inspiring to many men and women. I think that the abortion activists do not advocate using ultrasound to see the life inside the womb.

Anyway I tried to address your question about the article. I hope I hit the target.

To the contrary, I think we should be trying to address these issues in the same box so as to highlight the lack of logic on their part. For instance if asked if I am pro choice I respond that I believe in a person’s right to choose what school they send their kids to, what moral beliefs their children are taught, The right of employers to choose who they hire, the right of shop owners to choose who they deal with, the right of the sick to choose what medicines they wish to take, the right of all individuals to choose how they express their religious belief in short I am pro-choice on just about everything short of murdering babies.
Bottom line is that many liberals are only pro choice when it comes to murder but are not pro choice on much else.