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limerick
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**No, actually, an aspiration takes quite a bit longer than shutting down a non-productive discourse.
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Eddie_Mac
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The irony is though, that you keep picking up the discourse and giving it life. The innocent baby sucked out of the womb is still dead.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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True—yet the argument either for active baby-killings, or non-intervention, which is a cowardly form of tacit agreement, continue. You have to wonder why.
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limerick
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**My remarks about shutting down a discourse were aimed directly at royal archer and at no one else. Would you prefer that I step back so you can all glad-hand each other for a “job well done” in your pro-life endeavors? Because for all that has been done, what effect has it had?
Limerick**
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St_Francis
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You seem to be accept that legal action against certain actions is “hindrance” of people exercising their free will by others.
Now, since you are such an advocate of people not intervening, why are you advocating non-intervention? Seems like a contradiction that someone who does not believe in intervention in people’s exercising their free wills to be writing anything at all here.
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fix
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This is going in circles. Killing is not simply a poor choice.
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FanChan
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You know, it’s legal for us to do what we do, to talk to women and offer them help, to protest and march when the correct avenues have been taken. Many of us strive to make sure we remain within the legal bounds so as not to detriment our cause by providing bad PR and the like (granted, some of us still wind up in jail for one reason or another, but hey, so did activists in just about all fields, from women’s rights to segregation). If you’re all about leaving people to do what’s in their legal right to do, why are our actions so offensive (or whatever word you want to use) to you? Surely our imposition on the woman isn’t nearly as drastic as hers on her child.
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I have already mentioned more than once (go on, go back and look) that if intervention is what you feel you need to do then do it. I’ve also said you cannot be surprised if you are met with resentment. Then I’m told I’m not permitted to say you cannot be surprised. So I again suggest that you follow your conscience, particularly if what you are doing is within the bounds of the law. Now I’m being told I’m contradicting myself.
I answer questions because you ask me something specific or you challenge me. Then you wonder aloud why I’m still appearing on this thread. Do you see any sense in it? It’s a game, and not a very good one at that.
Pro-life activites offend me when they cross the line of legality, and when the participants are haughty, sanctimonious, judgmental, interfering busy-bodies. I could also argue that actions that cross the lines of good taste are offensive as well, but that would open the can of worms entitled “What Is Good Taste?” and we’d be down that unrewarding rabbit hole.
I think it would be best if you all just circled the wagons and lit the candles and congratulated one another on your high mindedness. Particularly you, royal archer, you who are so far out of your element that you don’t recognize personal responsibility and contrition when you see it because it doesn’t look exactly as you have pictured it all your life.
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learningtheway
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The people I have ran into who are pro choice are usually atheists. Which is kinda confusing when you think about it. Wouldn’t an atheist who “knows” there’s nothing after physical death want an innocent baby to have a chance at life? Wait, no, they don’t. 
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Eddie_Mac
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All you can testify about the effect of pro-life activities is with respect to yourself and those of your kind with whom you huddle up with to talk about how killing babies needs to be safe, legal, and rare to the tune of 1.5 million plus each year.
There are many people, men and women both who are now pro-life who used to be pro-death because of our prayers and other activities.
No one can or will change until they open their heart to the Holy Spirit.
Do baby killers pump fists and chest slam after each procedure?
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aspawloski4th
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I’m going to ruffle alot of feathers here. I propose that based on the fact the unborn are defenseless and helpless, and crimeless. Their rights supercede anyone else’s.
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St_Francis
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I’m going to ruffle alot of feathers here. I propose that based on the fact the unborn are defenseless and helpless, and crimeless. Their rights supercede anyone else’s.
My feathers are completely unruffled!
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CMP2
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Dear Limerick:
QUOTE: “Why? Do you think 38 years of regret and prayer and contrition are not enough to atone for my abortion?”
As a woman I want to assure you Limerick that if you have gone to Confession (if Catholic) and have contrition etc. of course you are forgiven by God.
God has given us “tools” so to speak to help us on this journey of healing and Rachael’s Vineyard is one such tool. It is not an organization formed to condemn but to help post abortion women to heal. They are also often active in the Pro Life Movement, as they can speak. They have been there. Some have had many abortions, but through the grace of God they are healing by their witnessing (if they are chosen to do so by God).
Don’t misinterpret the site being given to you as a form of condemnation but an attempt at helping you to heal if you feel the need. I pray that you are healed and that you can now go on with a new life through His forgiveness. God bless you. c.
QUOTE: “Why? Do you think 38 years of regret and prayer and contrition are not enough to atone for my abortion?”
As a woman I want to assure you Limerick that if you have gone to Confession (if Catholic) and have contrition etc. of course you are forgiven by God.
God has given us “tools” so to speak to help us on this journey of healing and Rachael’s Vineyard is one such tool. It is not an organization formed to condemn but to help post abortion women to heal. They are also often active in the Pro Life Movement, as they can speak. They have been there. Some have had many abortions, but through the grace of God they are healing by their witnessing (if they are chosen to do so by God).
Don’t misinterpret the site being given to you as a form of condemnation but an attempt at helping you to heal if you feel the need. I pray that you are healed and that you can now go on with a new life through His forgiveness. God bless you. c.
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limerick
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***Now, here’s a post that exemplifies presumption. ***
Where’s your tally of the many people you have converted? Is it in “My Documents”, all neatly alphabetized with smiley faces according to how quickly your converts adopted your viewpoint, all fresh and loving?
You know, Eddie Mac, you have absolutely no idea how many rusty hangers and knitting needles I have stacked up in my closet, just waiting for one of those naive, little, trembling pubescents to fall away from the “huddle” and volunteer to have her uterus perforated in order that that nothing-but-a-blob might just be expelled onto the carpet. I have mercy, E.M.! I’ll give her some of my stash of Oxycodone to get her over the first difficult day or two. And then I’ll add her to my own list, in “My Documents”, all neatly alphabetized with smiley faces according to how quickly she succumbed to my undeniable power to persuade her to discard her own moral code for mine: my unfathomably evil “moral code”.
By the way, we pump fists and chest slam DURING each procedure. Get hip.
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Over the top ridiculous deserves response in kind.*
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**CMP2,
Thank you for your kind words and for reminding me about Rachael’s Vineyard. I understand that the suggestion was made earlier with some measure of good will, and I appreciate that they have helped many women with pain and suffering. My difficulties with the Church do not center around my abortion. It is a complex web of misrepresentations, lies, deceits, manipulations and I have neither the time nor the intention to untangle it. I was dealt a picture of Catholicism that is rigid, indelible, and fear-based. I reject it in totality. The abortion has little to do with it.
But who knows how I will feel when I am 70?
Limerick**
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royal_archer
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I have been hoping to turn you away from evil but obviously we were less successful than hoped for. As such no congratulations are warranted. Maybe one day you will begin to see the light and we can celebrate together.
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limerick
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You hoped to turn a person away from evil by calling her a murderer?
That’s evil.
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royal_archer
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No, I refered to the act of killing an innocent child as murder.
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royal_archer
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By the way; if you find the term so disturbing, shouldn’t you find the act even more disturbing? Please, help us to put a stop to this act. Don’t you want to help a young mother avoid the pain you have been through?
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SteveGC
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L,
Thanks for hanging in there and keeping this dialogue going. I see that you are being unnecessarily beat up a bit, and I do think some folks would do well to absorb the fact that you are not pro-abortion. I think the accusation of such stems from the idea that if you say you are “pro-choice” in today’s language, where it is used exclusively in the context of abortion law, then it essentially means that you do not recognize human life in the womb with a right to life which supersedes the right to good health or ease of burden of the mother. This is the essential difference, I think, which is why I had earlier tried to probe into your belief in ‘when life begins’. And forgive me if you’ve already answered this, and this will be the last time I repeat the question…if you somehow came into an awareness that human life, along with its inherent right to life, undoubtedly begins at the moment of conception, would you feel, as you do now, that women who choose to terminate this life within them should be left alone in that decision?
I guess it boils down to a situation wherein some understand and hold to the belief that the aborted fetus is no different from the innocent bystander on the downtown corner getting murdered by some thug. It’s not to equate the thug with the mother at all. The motivations and personalities and dispositions are certainly polar opposite. Rather, it’s equating the action, the taking of life. In both cases, it’s innocent life…and in both cases, it’s the deliberate taking of that life. The thug does it with hatred, greed and pride in his heart…the mother does it with confusion, love and heartbreak. But it doesn’t change the fact that the act can and should be defined as “murder”.
If you saw the fetus as the “innocent bystander”, would you then want to intervene somehow?
Thanks for hanging in there and keeping this dialogue going. I see that you are being unnecessarily beat up a bit, and I do think some folks would do well to absorb the fact that you are not pro-abortion. I think the accusation of such stems from the idea that if you say you are “pro-choice” in today’s language, where it is used exclusively in the context of abortion law, then it essentially means that you do not recognize human life in the womb with a right to life which supersedes the right to good health or ease of burden of the mother. This is the essential difference, I think, which is why I had earlier tried to probe into your belief in ‘when life begins’. And forgive me if you’ve already answered this, and this will be the last time I repeat the question…if you somehow came into an awareness that human life, along with its inherent right to life, undoubtedly begins at the moment of conception, would you feel, as you do now, that women who choose to terminate this life within them should be left alone in that decision?
I guess it boils down to a situation wherein some understand and hold to the belief that the aborted fetus is no different from the innocent bystander on the downtown corner getting murdered by some thug. It’s not to equate the thug with the mother at all. The motivations and personalities and dispositions are certainly polar opposite. Rather, it’s equating the action, the taking of life. In both cases, it’s innocent life…and in both cases, it’s the deliberate taking of that life. The thug does it with hatred, greed and pride in his heart…the mother does it with confusion, love and heartbreak. But it doesn’t change the fact that the act can and should be defined as “murder”.
If you saw the fetus as the “innocent bystander”, would you then want to intervene somehow?
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