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FanChan
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You found the ‘lazy’ bit rather offensive. Take your own advice.
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limerick
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**I think I would do better to keep teak421 in view and put you on Ignore.You found the ‘lazy’ bit rather offensive. Take your own advice.
Yeah . . . yeah, that’s it!
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FanChan
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Haha. Who’d have thought I’d be the first to go? I apologize to everyone for the childish behavior. I was getting fed up with the hypocrisy and misplaced bitterness.**I think I would do better to keep teak421 in view and put you on Ignore.
Yeah . . . yeah, that’s it!
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Eddie_Mac
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Of course you have not said it exactly. That is what I posted. You are so busy thumping your own chest that you don’t read anything anyone else posts!**Can you point it out, Eddie Mac? Where have I said that I have “more of a right to exist than any of the dead unborn”? Point it out, these exact words. Show me.
Limerick**
Words have meaning, Limerick, and you keep tap dancing around the “more of a right to exist than any of the dead unborn” like Ginger Rodgers on crack without actually saying it. We see it. You don’t.
Imagine what you could do if you were on the side of the aborted babies.**
Believe me, if I were lazy I couldn’t take on ten or twenty posters 24/7 for weeks on end.
Limerick**
Wouldn’t it be nice to have the souls of the untold millions of aborted babies cheering you as you reach your heavenly reward because of the love and sacrifice you gave while praying, debating, and fighting for them instead of the alternative?
I can at least honestly say that you are worth the trouble, but I have things to do besides try to justify why 50-60,000,000 dead babies is wrong in any sense when you insist that there is nothing wrong with it.
As I have told you before as well, I will pray for you. The Divine Mercy awaits your response.
Eddie Mac
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GodLovesTheSpek
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It is Truth. Abortion is evil. It is the way of Lies. The way of Lies is the way of Death.
By the Mercy of God there is reconciliation and forgiveness but that forgiveness requires the sinner to recognize the sin, confess the sin, attempt reparation and resolve not to continue the sin. They must accept Truth and continue to live within it. Those who reject the Reconciliation, committing and supporting the Lie of abortion, continue the Death, continue the Despair and continue the Ruin.
I am Catholic.
By the Mercy of God there is reconciliation and forgiveness but that forgiveness requires the sinner to recognize the sin, confess the sin, attempt reparation and resolve not to continue the sin. They must accept Truth and continue to live within it. Those who reject the Reconciliation, committing and supporting the Lie of abortion, continue the Death, continue the Despair and continue the Ruin.
I am Catholic.
GodLovesTheSpek tells us, "Abortion is sadness, despair and ruin."
This is inaccurate. It discounts the possibility of healing and spiritual rebirth through confession.
You’re a Catholic, you say?
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royal_archer
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Really, when dic congress pass it and the president sign it? When did the states ratify it. That is the only way we get laws in this country.**Yet, it stands.
Limerick**
Instead in this situation you have a hand full of non elected individuals averting the law.
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royal_archer
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But you feel the law should protect your life but not that of a child. Why?I will give you sixty million dollars if you can show me any place on any thread on this entire forum where I specifically wrote that I have more of a right to exist than any fetus whose mother is considering abortion.
Limerick
And enough with the semantics bs of You didn’t use those exact words.
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royal_archer
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That didn’t answer the question.**One more thing here: if these are truly “innocent children”, how is it that they are already stained with Original Sin?
Nobody is innocent.
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for the record Innocent of personal wrongdoing as it relates to the issue at hand.
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royal_archer
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But you are alive and they are dead.**Can you point it out, Eddie Mac? Where have I said that I have “more of a right to exist than any of the dead unborn”? Point it out, these exact words. Show me.
Limerick**
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CMP2
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Your story Limerick is heartbreaking and there are many others who have other such stories relating to their abortions. Whether or not the cruelty women suffer in life will ever make abortion a good choice is another question altogether. What you suffered was immoral and cruel. You suffered much abuse at the hands of others as an innocent, and perhaps as an older child, teen, and young woman as well.**I can’t make you do anything you don’t want to do, Michael. You’re a volunteer.
The question you ask in this post is not at all the question you asked in the previous post, the one about which you are casting stones and claiming I’m “lazy”. Believe me, if I were lazy I couldn’t take on ten or twenty posters 24/7 for weeks on end.
Now, as to this particular question: " … do you personally think its morally wrong to terminate a pregnancy at any stage?", my answer is this:
I got pregnant at age 18 due to ignorance and a search for someone to actually care about me. I aborted the fetus at 13 weeks. I understood that I was not cultivating a cabbage in my uterus. I had been exposed to Roman Catholicism from birth until I left home; however, conception, birth, family life, birth control, abstinence, abortion, sexuality in general were absolutely never** discussed in my family of origin. We did not speak of these things.
My mother and father gave four children the best lives they could. We all had our First Holy Communions and we were all confirmed. We all went to public schools but attended CCD classes every Saturday morning. Our parents’ MO was “don’t raise the question and we won’t have to answer it.” My father was old enough to be my grandfather; he was stern, strict, devoted to Jesus and Mary, and a full-blown but functioning alcoholic. Out of the four kids, three became alcoholic. The same three were involved in too many illegal activities to list here - there were multiple arrests, trouble with the FBI, trouble with drug trafficking, trouble with firearms and explosives - the list goes on and on. Remember, these were four kids steeped in Catholicism. Among the four there were three abortions, all before Roe. We have endured rape, pre-adolescent sexual assault, battery, abandonment. There have been two divorces among us, and one brother who is now 52 never married because he never saw real love in action and doesn’t know how the song goes. We were not equipped to enter adulthood on any level.
You want to know about my morality? I had little practical morality when I left home and was filling in the blanks of life and making decisions based on what I thought I needed at the time. When my abortion rolled around I had very little feeling about it, as I was long removed from myself. I also suffer mental illness which was not diagnosed until 18 years after the abortion. I have been medicated now for 21 years but it has not changed my judgment or my view of what is moral and what is not.
If my abortion was immoral I’m certain God will have plenty to say about it when I die and meet Him face to face. The fact that it took place before Roe may have some bearing on His view of the event, but that was a legal consideration and you are primarily interested in the moral consideration, are you not? Therefore, I can honestly say that I have to wait and see what God has to say about my abortion. He alone understands the depth of illness and abuse and suffering that ramped up to the procedure. Extenuating circumstances? Who knows?
As to whether or not another woman’s abortion is immoral, that is not for me to say. Currently it is legal, so she will not have to face the double infraction penalty that I may be facing.
It’s unnecessary and even a tad gauche to accuse me of laziness. Your attitude personifies one of the many reasons that I divorced myself from others’ opinions long ago. Moods swing, sometimes I get offended on the outside; but the worst part of it is that the only true lasting effect your vindictiveness has is that it confirms that I was right when I concluded that people are generally so much less than they could be and should be avoided at all costs.
Limerick
Abortion also inflicts suffering, abuse and pain on both mother and child but always it is the child who ends up sacrificed for something that is both immoral and cruel.
Abortion is always immoral as is abuse of children, women, and men. Genocide is always immoral. Murder is always immoral. The murderer of innocents will be taken to task by God. The mother of an aborted child is also a victim. The abortionist is a victim, but one who condones, through his actions, his act. When a women is educated in the reality of abortion this act of abuse and cruelty will never happen again. For a woman to murder her own child in her womb is both unnatural and completely against her nature.
Nothing can justify murder. Again, at any age of development. Nothing can justify abuse either. This is not even negotiable. Abuse generates abuse.
My prayers go with you Limerick. Your testimony could help to put an end to this travesty and it’s lies, if it is used as a tool to help other women avoid abortion. This is your “choice”. To continue to condone the cruelty of abortion is to thus condone the cruelty to all innocents. At all stages of life.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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So does Satan’s attempts to sway us to choose evil, but we don’t have to lie down for him.**Yet, it stands.
Limerick**
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teak421
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Ok… I’ll move to another forum because this one is not interested in reasoned debate."Duhhh . . . I’ll take Life Is Good or Pine Box Blues for 1000, Alex."
I did answer you. You ask a game question, you get a game answer.
Limerick
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teak421
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You were lazy and silly. I asked a basic question and you gave a smart*@# answer. Reasoned debate is interesting and fun(and I can learn a ton too!), talking with someone who is interested in games is not.**I can’t make you do anything you don’t want to do, Michael. You’re a volunteer.
The question you ask in this post is not at all the question you asked in the previous post, the one about which you are casting stones and claiming I’m “lazy”. Believe me, if I were lazy I couldn’t take on ten or twenty posters 24/7 for weeks on end.
Now, as to this particular question: " … do you personally think its morally wrong to terminate a pregnancy at any stage?", my answer is this:
I got pregnant at age 18 due to ignorance and a search for someone to actually care about me. I aborted the fetus at 13 weeks. I understood that I was not cultivating a cabbage in my uterus. I had been exposed to Roman Catholicism from birth until I left home; however, conception, birth, family life, birth control, abstinence, abortion, sexuality in general were absolutely never** discussed in my family of origin. We did not speak of these things.
My mother and father gave four children the best lives they could. We all had our First Holy Communions and we were all confirmed. We all went to public schools but attended CCD classes every Saturday morning. Our parents’ MO was “don’t raise the question and we won’t have to answer it.” My father was old enough to be my grandfather; he was stern, strict, devoted to Jesus and Mary, and a full-blown but functioning alcoholic. Out of the four kids, three became alcoholic. The same three were involved in too many illegal activities to list here - there were multiple arrests, trouble with the FBI, trouble with drug trafficking, trouble with firearms and explosives - the list goes on and on. Remember, these were four kids steeped in Catholicism. Among the four there were three abortions, all before Roe. We have endured rape, pre-adolescent sexual assault, battery, abandonment. There have been two divorces among us, and one brother who is now 52 never married because he never saw real love in action and doesn’t know how the song goes. We were not equipped to enter adulthood on any level.
You want to know about my morality? I had little practical morality when I left home and was filling in the blanks of life and making decisions based on what I thought I needed at the time. When my abortion rolled around I had very little feeling about it, as I was long removed from myself. I also suffer mental illness which was not diagnosed until 18 years after the abortion. I have been medicated now for 21 years but it has not changed my judgment or my view of what is moral and what is not.
If my abortion was immoral I’m certain God will have plenty to say about it when I die and meet Him face to face. The fact that it took place before Roe may have some bearing on His view of the event, but that was a legal consideration and you are primarily interested in the moral consideration, are you not? Therefore, I can honestly say that I have to wait and see what God has to say about my abortion. He alone understands the depth of illness and abuse and suffering that ramped up to the procedure. Extenuating circumstances? Who knows?
As to whether or not another woman’s abortion is immoral, that is not for me to say. Currently it is legal, so she will not have to face the double infraction penalty that I may be facing.
It’s unnecessary and even a tad gauche to accuse me of laziness. Your attitude personifies one of the many reasons that I divorced myself from others’ opinions long ago. Moods swing, sometimes I get offended on the outside; but the worst part of it is that the only true lasting effect your vindictiveness has is that it confirms that I was right when I concluded that people are generally so much less than they could be and should be avoided at all costs.
Limerick
With that said, thank you for a excellent and thoughtful response.
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royal_archer
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Most are, we just have one troll.Ok… I’ll move to another forum because this one is not interested in reasoned debate.
- Michael
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royal_archer
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There are the evil things you did in your past and there are the evil things you are doing now. Actively being here trying to convince others to support the option to choose abortion is working in support of evil.**I can’t make you do anything you don’t want to do, Michael. You’re a volunteer.
The question you ask in this post is not at all the question you asked in the previous post, the one about which you are casting stones and claiming I’m “lazy”. Believe me, if I were lazy I couldn’t take on ten or twenty posters 24/7 for weeks on end.
Now, as to this particular question: " … do you personally think its morally wrong to terminate a pregnancy at any stage?", my answer is this:
I got pregnant at age 18 due to ignorance and a search for someone to actually care about me. I aborted the fetus at 13 weeks. I understood that I was not cultivating a cabbage in my uterus. I had been exposed to Roman Catholicism from birth until I left home; however, conception, birth, family life, birth control, abstinence, abortion, sexuality in general were absolutely never** discussed in my family of origin. We did not speak of these things.
My mother and father gave four children the best lives they could. We all had our First Holy Communions and we were all confirmed. We all went to public schools but attended CCD classes every Saturday morning. Our parents’ MO was “don’t raise the question and we won’t have to answer it.” My father was old enough to be my grandfather; he was stern, strict, devoted to Jesus and Mary, and a full-blown but functioning alcoholic. Out of the four kids, three became alcoholic. The same three were involved in too many illegal activities to list here - there were multiple arrests, trouble with the FBI, trouble with drug trafficking, trouble with firearms and explosives - the list goes on and on. Remember, these were four kids steeped in Catholicism. Among the four there were three abortions, all before Roe. We have endured rape, pre-adolescent sexual assault, battery, abandonment. There have been two divorces among us, and one brother who is now 52 never married because he never saw real love in action and doesn’t know how the song goes. We were not equipped to enter adulthood on any level.
You want to know about my morality? I had little practical morality when I left home and was filling in the blanks of life and making decisions based on what I thought I needed at the time. When my abortion rolled around I had very little feeling about it, as I was long removed from myself. I also suffer mental illness which was not diagnosed until 18 years after the abortion. I have been medicated now for 21 years but it has not changed my judgment or my view of what is moral and what is not.
If my abortion was immoral I’m certain God will have plenty to say about it when I die and meet Him face to face. The fact that it took place before Roe may have some bearing on His view of the event, but that was a legal consideration and you are primarily interested in the moral consideration, are you not? Therefore, I can honestly say that I have to wait and see what God has to say about my abortion. He alone understands the depth of illness and abuse and suffering that ramped up to the procedure. Extenuating circumstances? Who knows?
As to whether or not another woman’s abortion is immoral, that is not for me to say. Currently it is legal, so she will not have to face the double infraction penalty that I may be facing.
It’s unnecessary and even a tad gauche to accuse me of laziness. Your attitude personifies one of the many reasons that I divorced myself from others’ opinions long ago. Moods swing, sometimes I get offended on the outside; but the worst part of it is that the only true lasting effect your vindictiveness has is that it confirms that I was right when I concluded that people are generally so much less than they could be and should be avoided at all costs.
Limerick
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Eddie_Mac
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God does not have to say anything and will not judge you when you die.**
If my abortion was immoral I’m certain God will have plenty to say about it when I die and meet Him face to face. The fact that it took place before Roe may have some bearing on His view of the event, but that was a legal consideration and you are primarily interested in the moral consideration, are you not? Therefore, I can honestly say that I have to wait and see what God has to say about my abortion. He alone understands the depth of illness and abuse and suffering that ramped up to the procedure. Extenuating circumstances? Who knows?
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YOU will judge yourself when you die and either condemn yourself to eternal death in hell or to the cleansing fire of purgatory.
When you die the veil that clouds your understanding will be removed and you will view your life as God views your life.
If your soul is in the state of mortal sin you will condemn yourself to hell because nothing evil can be in the presence of God. Evil does not even want to be in the presence of God because evil hates God.
The state of your soul at death will determine how you will judge yourself.
Once you die it will be too late to change.
I have told you that it is up to you to answer God’s call to you and to ask for His bountiful Mercy. He continues to call us up to the time we die and even after we die.
If you die in the state of mortal sin you will ignore his call to you to accept His Mercy.
If you die without mortal sin on your soul you can still answer His call for Mercy but you still have to answer!
You keep talking about free will.
Use your free will for your salvation.
Eddie Mac
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limerick
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Of course you have not said it exactly. That is what I posted. You are so busy thumping your own chest that you don’t read anything anyone else posts!
Oh, I read them. For the most part I disagree with them. I take what I can use and leave the rest.
Words have meaning, Limerick, and you keep tap dancing around the “more of a right to exist than any of the dead unborn” like Ginger Rodgers on crack without actually saying it. We see it. You don’t.
**This is a presumptuous attempt to portray me as an abortion Nazi. I am no such thing. **Because I support a woman’s choice to interpret her situation and “do the right thing” according to her circumstances does not make be “pro-abortion”. Many, many women choose to give birth even though their circumstances suck, even though they are fearful and broke and alone. They do this in spite of the fact that abortion is available to them. I do not UNsupport them! I support choice, no matter which way the choice goes.
Imagine what you could do if you were on the side of the aborted babies.
I could do no more than you and every other pro-life person on this forum could do. And because abortion is still legal, that seems insignificant.
Wouldn’t it be nice to have the souls of the untold millions of aborted babies cheering you as you reach your heavenly reward because of the love and sacrifice you gave while praying, debating, and fighting for them instead of the alternative?
I’m waiting for the DVD version. When I see that I’ll share my response.
I can at least honestly say that you are worth the trouble, but I have things to do besides try to justify why 50-60,000,000 dead babies is wrong in any sense when you insist that there is nothing wrong with it.
I don’t insist that there’s nothing wrong with it. Whatever choice each individual woman makes in her life, and each individual man as well, must be accounted for upon Judgment.
As I have told you before as well, I will pray for you. The Divine Mercy awaits your response.
This has no meaning for me. What are you trying to say?
Eddie Mac
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limerick
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**God does not have to say anything and will not judge you when you die.
YOU will judge yourself when you die and either condemn yourself to eternal death in hell or to the cleansing fire of purgatory.
When you die the veil that clouds your understanding will be removed and you will view your life as God views your life.
If your soul is in the state of mortal sin you will condemn yourself to hell because nothing evil can be in the presence of God. Evil does not even want to be in the presence of God because evil hates God.
The state of your soul at death will determine how you will judge yourself.
Once you die it will be too late to change.
I have told you that it is up to you to answer God’s call to you and to ask for His bountiful Mercy. He continues to call us up to the time we die and even after we die.
If you die in the state of mortal sin you will ignore his call to you to accept His Mercy.
If you die without mortal sin on your soul you can still answer His call for Mercy but you still have to answer!
You keep talking about free will.
Use your free will for your salvation.
Eddie Mac
Use your free will to climb down from that pedestal, where you spout off “facts” as if you are God’s own PR rep.
Please.**
Limerick
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elts1956
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Who is arguing numbers? Dead is dead. Aborted babies 100% dead unless by some miscalculation a child, who can survive outside the womb, survives.Post number 729: * “Yes. That is the point of abortion, a routine medical procedure. Nearly zero percent survival rate, and nearly one hundred percent effective.”* ~ Limerick
My question: Can you argue against the numbers? NO argument with regard to the im/morality of the act in this post. Just the numbers.
Can you argue that these numbers are inaccurate? Yes? Or no?
Limerick
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elts1956
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Post number 729: * “Yes. That is the point of abortion, a routine medical procedure. Nearly zero percent survival rate, and nearly one hundred percent effective.”* ~ Limerick
My question: Can you argue against the numbers? NO argument with regard to the im/morality of the act in this post. Just the numbers.
Can you argue that these numbers are inaccurate? Yes? Or no?
Limerick
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Use your free will to climb down from that pedestal, where you spout off “facts” as if you are God’s own PR rep.
Please.**
Limerick
What responsibilities come with free will? Or does free will mean a free for all, no holds barred? Is free will the same as freedom to do as we want? Are we individuals at the center of the universe? How many universes are there?If someone decides that, for whatever reason, I have forfeited my privilege to live, and they are driven to take action, they will take action, no matter what I say or you say or the law says. If they are apprehended (because they will have broken the law that currently exists prohibiting the taking of a life if not in self-defense) then they will have consequences to pay.
Should they be allowed to? They are allowed to, by virtue of free will. Free will does not demand sound choice. God would likely be more “pleased” if we all chose the high road, but we don’t all do that all the time. But if an individual commits murder and is taken into custody, s/he will go through the system and pay the consequences.
Abortion is not illegal at this time.
Limerick
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