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So what did they offer a non traumatized person? Did they lecture you? What???
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Since the three attributes have much of the same emotional value, I had to look up the definitions again:
Main Entry: em·pa·thy
Pronunciation: \ˈem-pə-thē\ Function: noun Etymology: Greek empatheia, literally, passion, from empathēs emotional, from em- + pathos feelings, emotion — more at pathos Date: 1850
1: the imaginative projection of a subjective state into an object so that the object appears to be infused with it2: the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner ; also : the capacity for this ???
Main Entry: sym·pa·thy
Pronunciation: \ˈsim-pə-thē\ Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural sym·pa·thies Etymology: Latin sympathia, from Greek sympatheia, from sympathēs having common feelings, sympathetic, from syn- + pathos feelings, emotion, experience — more at pathos Date: 1579
1 a: an affinity, association, or relationship between persons or things wherein whatever affects one similarly affects the other ?? b: mutual or parallel susceptibility or a condition brought about by it c: unity or harmony in action or effect <every part is in complete sympathy with the scheme as a whole — Edwin Benson>2 a: inclination to think or feel alike : emotional or intellectual accord b: feeling of loyalty : tendency to favor or support 3 a: the act or capacity of entering into or sharing the feelings or interests of another b: the feeling or mental state brought about by such sensitivity 4: the correlation existing between bodies capable of communicating their vibrational energy to one another through some medium
Main Entry: com·pas·sion
Pronunciation: \kəm-ˈpa-shən\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French or Late Latin; Anglo-French, from Late Latin compassion-, compassio, from compati to sympathize, from Latin com- + pati to bear, suffer — more at patient Date: 14th century
: sympathetic consciousness of others’ distress together with a desire to alleviate it So whatcha think Lim?
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**They did not tell me what they offer a non-traumatized person. If they considered me a non-traumatized person then I suppose their services are not required. The tone (and I’m paraphrasing here, so don’t take me to task, because I’ve deleted the e-mail) was, "well, I don’t know what you expect us to do - without your belief in Jesus Christ our Lord we cannot be of any assistance to you … " It was a total turn-off. Glad I don’t need their help.
Limerick**
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**In simpler terms, my understanding of empathy is what I can offer another person if I have personally experienced what that person is experiencing. My understanding of sympathy is what I can offer another person as a component of compassion even though I have never personally experienced what that person is experiencing. I have no gripe with your definition of compassion.
At least, that’s how I live it.
Limerick**
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To be fully alive a person needs to be as authentic as possible, To be as aware of our successes as well as our failures. Most are more aware of failures than successes. To be authentic means we accept ourselves warts and all, but try to get rid of the warts. This takes a lot of work. This authentic life would be without the masks we all wear. We hide behind what other people think of us and try to act accordingly, this is being dishonest, especially with ourselves. Fear is a great mask. Selfishness is another one. Pride another. And yes, God gets many slaps in the face.
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"Apparently"the priest was unable to offer you help since you didn’t specify (apparently). Did you “ask” for specific help? Isn’t this your mantra, don’t offer help unless asked??? Not having seen your correspondence, I can’t really judge,but it looks as though the priest was giving you the type of aid you feel justified in giving to others. :sad_yes:
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The final word on fetal pain is not out yet. I would rather err on the side of life than death. Here are more opinions regarding fetal pain.
fetal-pain.com/breaking_news.htm
Partial article:
Louisiana Abortion Law on Ultrasounds and Baby’s Pain Goes Into Effect
by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
August 15, 2007
Baton Rouge, LA (LifeNews.com) – Louisiana is the next state to have a law go into effect that tells a woman considering an abortion that her baby will feel considerable pain during the procedure. The measure also requires abortion businesses to give women the option of seeing an ultrasound of their unborn child beforehand. During the legislative session, Republican Rep. A.G. Crowe was the key sponsor of the bill, H.B. 25, that Democratic Gov. Kathleen Blanco eventually signed.
The law requires abortion practitioners to give women the information in a brochure beforehand and also tells them to offer the mother a chance to give the baby anesthesia. It applies to any abortions done after 20 weeks of pregnancy, where studies are conclusive that an abortion baby has the capacity to experience pain.
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God have mercy on those intellectuals who ‘know better.’
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And no one can “consciously” recognize s/he is living while sleeping, or under general anasthesia. The only difference between children or adults in either state and the child in the womb is a matter of time for “growth” for the unborn child and a matter of “wakening” for those sleeping or under anasthesia.
A matter of perspective.
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The ‘tart and dismissive’ response you received appears to mimic your attitude toward the pre-born child you lost during your abortion. I’m sorry for both you and your child, perhaps one day your approach to reach out for help will be more open to the infinate forgiveness God has in store.
I work with post abortive woman and truthfully, their is not much that I can do if the individual is not willing to open up to the reality of what took place and how that has affected them. All I can do is offer the truth of what happened, offer referrals to places like Rachels Vinyerd, and offer my own compassion and prayers. One can observe in cases of PAS or any post traumatic stress disorder, individuals who build up walls of defense to hide their repressed feelings. They do this for a variety of reasons, regardless one cannot begin the healing process if they as yet are unable or unwilling to come to terms with what took place. And that makes it very difficult if not impossible for others to help, as is in the case with Rachel’s Vineyard. *A person unwilling to help themselves, makes it impossible for others to help them. ie: A person who breaks their arm, convinces themselves that their arm is not broken, & refuses to go to a doctor, will not receive help. You cannot blame the doctor for being dismissive of a patient who obstinately denies a broken arm and refuses to come in for treatment - that would be misplaced blame.
I think the important thing is that you have a ministry that can and will help you once you let them.
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Who is asking the question?
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No.
GOD wins.
Satan loses.
The goats will be separated from the sheep.
The goats have the same CHOICE as the sheep.
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its rather amusing how one poster managed to hit all of her teachers in just a brief paragraph or two. She never mentioned that actions of the kids in their classes,I guess they were as smart as she was…teaching is the most difficult job of all,and I have had most…teaching HS kids brought up by the media is not a pleasant chore at all! I have worked in a reform school, super market,factories and plants,as a janitor,landscaper and taught for 30 years…any working with the public is hard and strenuous and hardly needs the wisecracks we read above. Its cute to hit the teacher but lets see…30 kids against one teacher…and that teacher has also the parents with their backgrounds and memory and a wacky administration who were driven out of teaching…mmmmm…one of the worst posts I have ever read on this site…open season on dedicated educators by smug couch tators…
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If you want to take a swipe at someone, why not be specific? To whom are you addressing your remarks?
Limerick**
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**I asked about the nature of rachel’s vineyard’s ministry, about their protocol, about what they might have to offer a non-practicing Catholic. Their answer was less than impressive, in my opinion.
Somewhere along the line, pro-life people might want to consider that abortion does not plunge every woman into a lifetime of grief.
Limerick**
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You’re right. The Journal of the American Medical Association is just a hack rag, the premier tabloid of the medical world.
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This is already the ultimate aim of the abortion-mongers.Why stop there why not just kill off anyone with a double digit IQ. anyone who is in a vegatative state, a comma, or knocked unconcious.
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