Anybody out there "pro-choice"?

[CMP2]

limerick,
I just went back and read some of your prior post.
I am truly sorry for the loss of life of your child. I am sure that must have been a great deal of pain for you, and probably still is.

Has anyone ever suggested this site to you?

rachelsvineyard.org/

I sent this site to Limerick ages ago and she was a bit offended. I explained that they will not judge but offer the support and help to her. They can be empathetic with other victims as they** are** alive, can feel pain and are probably equally upset about their abortions. Or more perhaps, as they are actually doing something constructive to change things.

The rhetoric, albeit quiet stimulating is beginning to become repetitive. Those earnestly giving reasonable and constructive info. excepted here.

So, maybe with this reminder Limerick can get help, do something constructive and get on with it. God forgives anything that we do if we repent, amend our lives and perhaps even help others to recover.

 

[limerick]

I sent this site to Limerick ages ago and she was a bit offended. I explained that they will not judge but offer the support and help to her. They can be empathetic with other victims as they** are** alive, can feel pain and are probably equally upset about their abortions. Or more perhaps, as they are actually doing something constructive to change things.

The rhetoric, albeit quiet stimulating is beginning to become repetitive. Those earnestly giving reasonable and constructive info. excepted here.

So, maybe with this reminder Limerick can get help, do something constructive and get on with it. God forgives anything that we do if we repent, amend our lives and perhaps even help others to recover.

**Please explain the consecutive steps one must take in order that God may consider that person repentant.

Limerick**

 

[jean8]

If so, perhaps you can explain something to me. (Understand that I’m gonna be hard to convince… I’m pro-life in every circumstance…)

Can you please clear up a mystery for me, and tell me what makes sense about this?
acts17verse28.blogspot.com/2009/05/wheres-sense-in-that.html.

I’m with you sue.
Life begins at conception. See Ps.139:13-16 God knew us while we were being formed in the womb.
The term "unwed mother should not be used. We should say “Unwed Parents”
Daddy was there too. I wonder if these daddy’s are offering the mommy’s a ride to the Killing clinics?
I can’t discuss this subject without getting upset.
Babies are precious. If someone is pregnant and cannot take care of a child, give birth to this dear baby, someone will love it for their entire life. God will bless you for it.

jean

 

[jean8]

The disturbing thing is that I don’t seem to get many responses stating this is not a reasonable comparison.

Pro-choice? 'Don’t you mean 'Lets kill this fetus?"
Pro-choice sounds so innocent. After all , It’s just a simple decision?
Do you know how much money these killing factories make yearly?
Millions. The Lord knows all about it.

God have mercy,
jean

 

[CMP2]

**Please explain the consecutive steps one must take in order that God may consider that person repentant.

Limerick**

No idea. The individual is reponsible for his sin. But God knows true contrition. He then forgives through His servant the Priest in Sacramental Confession. If one lies in Confession God knows.

We can only take the steps that bring us back into His grace. Confession is #1 Sorrow for having offended God is necessary for perfect Contrition. Fear of hell for imperfect contrition. Then we must amend our lives and go on as best we can in His forgiveness. If we fall we go back to this Fount of Mercy.

 

[limerick]

No idea. The individual is reponsible for his sin. But God knows true contrition. He then forgives through His servant the Priest in Sacramental Confession. If one lies in Confession God knows.

We can only take the steps that bring us back into His grace. Confession is #1 Sorrow for having offended God is necessary for perfect Contrition. Fear of hell for imperfect contrition. Then we must amend our lives and go on as best we can in His forgiveness. If we fall we go back to this Fount of Mercy.

By your own admission you have “no idea” what encompasses the consecutive steps one must take in order that God may consider a woman repentant after having had an abortion. Then how do you explain this remark: “So, maybe with this reminder Limerick can get help, do something constructive and get on with it. God forgives anything that we do if we repent, amend our lives and perhaps even help others to recover”?

I have met every criteria you have listed above. Are you suggesting more help? More constructive activities? And “get on with it”: can you be more specific? If I had devoted every single waking moment to sorrow and grief since 1971 it would hardly allow for recovery, now would it? I think the fact that my actions nearly forty years ago do not color everything I think or do or say today aggravates you, along with the reality that every woman is not consumed with angst after having had an abortion. Why? Why do you seem to believe that women must all think and feel alike, and that we must all meet with your approval? As you said, God knows.

Limerick

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

**Please explain the consecutive steps one must take in order that God may consider that person repentant.

Limerick**

Making a good Confession is an excellent start. Many, many books also contain guides on how to do this.

 

[limerick]

Making a good Confession is an excellent start. Many, many books also contain guides on how to do this.

**And if one has made a prompt and sincere confession, has been given absolution by a priest and has performed the assigned penance for having sinned, and if that person has never repeated the sin: how long does the Church require that this person carry the burden of sin as if it were still as fresh and vivid as it was nearly 14,000 days ago?

Limerick**

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

**And if one has made a prompt and sincere confession, has been given absolution by a priest and has performed the assigned penance for having sinned, and if that person has never repeated the sin: how long does the Church require that this person carry the burden of sin as if it were still as fresh and vivid as it was nearly 14,000 days ago?

Limerick**

I don’t think it does at all, but you’d have to check with the Catechism or again a priest.

Now if you’re talking about temporal punishment due to sin (and we’re talking about the afterlife) I’d be sure to check with a knowledgable priest.

 

[GodLovesTheSpek]

Absolution is forgiveness. The penitent, after having made a good, honest, and a complete confession as possible, coupled with sincere regret for the sins, and having received absolution from a validly ordained priest and performed penance as directed has reconciled with God. That’s it. Wiped clean as snow. The challenge is to stay that way. One is urged to make use of the sacrament often. The cleansing and healing that accompany it will help purify our lives as we each struggle on. There will be a final accounting at Final Judgment but if one has utilized Reconciliation and received absolution often and recently, that could make things go a whole lot better. Humility (and that includes faith) in one’s life goes a long way to pleasing the Lord.

For more information, read here at the Vatican: va/archive/catechism/p2s2c2a4.htm

 

[Eddie_Mac]

**And if one has made a prompt and sincere confession, has been given absolution by a priest and has performed the assigned penance for having sinned, and if that person has never repeated the sin: how long does the Church require that this person carry the burden of sin as if it were still as fresh and vivid as it was nearly 14,000 days ago?

Limerick**

When one receives reconciliation one says the act of contrition. The act states that one will avoid the near occasion of sin. When one receives reconciliation one is to strive to sin no more.

Supporting abortion is not avoiding the near occasion of sin.

If you harbor any guilt or ill feelings it very well may be that you are being urged by the Spirit to go to reconciliation, receive absolution and go and sin no more.

That is the process. We are supposed to strive for holiness, not continue to commit the same sins all over again.

Every time you post in favor of abortion it is the same sin again, and again, …

Jesus’ Mercy and Grace provides what a person needs to accomplish this.

Eddie Mac

 

[CMP2]

By your own admission you have “no idea” what encompasses the consecutive steps one must take in order that God may consider a woman repentant after having had an abortion. Then how do you explain this remark: “So, maybe with this reminder Limerick can get help, do something constructive and get on with it. God forgives anything that we do if we repent, amend our lives and perhaps even help others to recover”?

I have met every criteria you have listed above. Are you suggesting more help? More constructive activities? And “get on with it”: can you be more specific? If I had devoted every single waking moment to sorrow and grief since 1971 it would hardly allow for recovery, now would it? I think the fact that my actions nearly forty years ago do not color everything I think or do or say today aggravates you, along with the reality that every woman is not consumed with angst after having had an abortion. Why? Why do you seem to believe that women must all think and feel alike, and that we must all meet with your approval? As you said, God knows.

Limerick

Oh Limerick. No I never meant anything that you have stated. Nothing. You are reading “between” the lines and not the words as stated.

One should not have sorrow, anger, or grief after Confessing her Abortion. It is done. My suggestion is that you can use your ‘experience’ to help other women. Don’t justify anything Pro Choice just because you made a mistake so many years ago.

Now saying this I know the word you will pick up on here will be ‘justify’. You will defend your position. I didn’t write it to continue some sort of dialogue based on attack. No. I, among others, want you to rest in His peace. To see that Abortion is murder, the child is gone and never to breath, to cry, to walk. Then use what you have suffered to help those who may make the same mistake and suffer for 40 years.

That is all. That is it. I am not judging you, suggesting that I know the perfect solution and I rest in the wisdom of God. I will not say what I don’t know for sure. That is why I said only God knows.

Nobody has to meet with ‘my’ approval, nor do you ‘aggravate’ me. The lie of Pro Choice aggravates me because it causes so much dissention within the hearts of good people.

Just one thing: Watch the faces of Pro Choice advocates when there is a March For Life. They are angry, they spit, yell, shake their fists etc. at Pro Life marchers praying the Rosary and smiling. This is very telling Limberick. Anger is the basis of Pro Choice. God is the basis of Pro Life.

Don’t read into what others write with mistaken preconceptions of what we think of you. I could also get offended by comments you have made, but I don’t. Why? I see your pain. I do and I pray for you daily. Sorry, but I do.

God be with you and all women who have experienced the hard reality of post Abortion trauma.

 

[CMP2]

When one receives reconciliation one says the act of contrition. The act states that one will avoid the near occasion of sin. When one receives reconciliation one is to strive to sin no more.

Supporting abortion is not avoiding the near occasion of sin.

If you harbor any guilt or ill feelings it very well may be that you are being urged by the Spirit to go to reconciliation, receive absolution and go and sin no more.

That is the process. We are supposed to strive for holiness, not continue to commit the same sins all over again.

Every time you post in favor of abortion it is the same sin again, and again, …

Jesus’ Mercy and Grace provides what a person needs to accomplish this.

Eddie Mac

Eddie: You stated a gem here:
Every time you post in favor of abortion it is the same sin again, and again,

This is the truth.

 

[CMP2]

I have just noticed that many have given excellent and well founded advice on how to reconcile through Confession etc., above the latest post from me and then back to me from you Limerick, so I don’t know why the letter was written to me alone. God’s way. Not mine.

I feel that perhaps we are in a foggy and desperate place right now and I will not be distracted by it, and neither should any of the above writers giving their good advice.

Distraction is a tool used and I refuse to fall into it. I will state my view in as charitable a way as possible. I do care about women who have fallen into the lie. I very nearly did myself and was saved by God’s intervention. The only way I can explain it. So, I am not unaware of the lies that are told, nor am I unaware of the victimization of women through abortion.

God bless you all, c.

 

[limerick]

When one receives reconciliation one says the act of contrition. The act states that one will avoid the near occasion of sin. When one receives reconciliation one is to strive to sin no more.

Supporting abortion is not avoiding the near occasion of sin.
**
I support choice; I neither endorse nor facilitate abortion.**

If you harbor any guilt or ill feelings it very well may be that you are being urged by the Spirit to go to reconciliation, receive absolution and go and sin no more.

That is the process. We are supposed to strive for holiness, not continue to commit the same sins all over again.

Every time you post in favor of abortion it is the same sin again, and again, …

I support choice; I neither endorse nor facilitate abortion.

Jesus’ Mercy and Grace provides what a person needs to accomplish this.

Eddie Mac

 

[SteveGC]

Limerick.

Would it be fair to say that what you actually support is staying out of people’s business…whatever choices in life that they make…whether they be ultimately bad or good?

or…

do you ALSO support the legalization of abortion?..which is what “pro-choice” actually means?

If it’s just the former one you advocate and not the latter…then it might help if you cease calling yourself “pro-choice” to avoid the confusion…

call yourself anti-intervention…or some such thing maybe.?

There’s a huge difference between declaring yourself in favor of legalizing abortion…and declaring yourself a person who thinks people should be left alone in their life decisions.

Could you clarify which one you are?

 

[limerick]

Limerick.

Would it be fair to say that what you actually support is staying out of people’s business…whatever choices in life that they make…whether they be ultimately bad or good?

or…

do you ALSO support the legalization of abortion?..which is what “pro-choice” actually means?

If it’s just the former one you advocate and not the latter…then it might help if you cease calling yourself “pro-choice” to avoid the confusion…

call yourself anti-intervention…or some such thing maybe.?

There’s a huge difference between declaring yourself in favor of legalizing abortion…and declaring yourself a person who thinks people should be left alone in their life decisions.

Could you clarify which one you are?

**
I am a non-interventionist - I will not insinuate my opinions, beliefs, suspicions into anyone else’s lives or life decisions.

I am, however, pro-choice; I feel that abortion should be available to women who want to pursue that option.

I do not find these positions to be mutually exclusive.

I am not in favor of repeated and cavalier use of abortion as a substitute for birth control. My ideas about steep, prohibited graduated fines for repeated abortions has been met with miscellaneous crowing and whining and chastising - so I will leave it up to the pro-life people to solve this mess because outsiders’ ideas are apparently neither wanted nor needed.

If you’re trying to pin down the level of my sinfulness or my consistency, forget it. Don’t waste your time. My window on this world is getting smaller every day and I am just about tapped out, enthusiasm-wise.

Limerick**

 

[Eddie_Mac]

**
I am a non-interventionist - I will not insinuate my opinions, beliefs, suspicions into anyone else’s lives or life decisions.

I am, however, pro-choice; I feel that abortion should be available to women who want to pursue that option.

I do not find these positions to be mutually exclusive.

I am not in favor of repeated and cavalier use of abortion as a substitute for birth control. My ideas about steep, prohibited graduated fines for repeated abortions has been met with miscellaneous crowing and whining and chastising - so I will leave it up to the pro-life people to solve this mess because outsiders’ ideas are apparently neither wanted nor needed.

If you’re trying to pin down the level of my sinfulness or my consistency, forget it. Don’t waste your time. My window on this world is getting smaller every day and I am just about tapped out, enthusiasm-wise.

Limerick **

Regardless of your being tapped out, being pro-choice, which is pro-abortion, is considered grave matter by the Church.

We are not judging your sins, or the state of your soul.

We are reading your words. These are your beliefs.

There is no difference.

Lust in the heart is adultery the same as the act.

Anger in the heart is the same as murder.

Your non-interventionalist pro-choice is the same as standing at the podium at a NARAL or NOW rally and railing for more dead babies. There is no difference.

Eddie Mac

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

**
I am a non-interventionist - I will not insinuate my opinions, beliefs, suspicions into anyone else’s lives or life decisions.

I am, however, pro-choice; I feel that abortion should be available to women who want to pursue that option.

I do not find these positions to be mutually exclusive.

I am not in favor of repeated and cavalier use of abortion as a substitute for birth control. My ideas about steep, prohibited graduated fines for repeated abortions has been met with miscellaneous crowing and whining and chastising - so I will leave it up to the pro-life people to solve this mess because outsiders’ ideas are apparently neither wanted nor needed.

If you’re trying to pin down the level of my sinfulness or my consistency, forget it. Don’t waste your time. My window on this world is getting smaller every day and I am just about tapped out, enthusiasm-wise.

Limerick**

Finish the sentence: I support choice.

The choice to what? Redecorate? Buy a new car? Send your kids to private school?

This is the only common sentence in the English language that ALWAYS remains unfinished because the finishing clause is unspeakable.

The choice to----?

What?

Call it what it is. Words have meaning.

 

[limerick]

Regardless of your being tapped out, being pro-choice, which is pro-abortion, is considered grave matter by the Church.

**Pro-choice does not equal pro-abortion. **

We are not judging your sins, or the state of your soul.

*My ss.

We are reading your words. These are your beliefs.

This is the only accurate thing in your entire post.

There is no difference.

It’s the difference between possible life and possible death. It encompasses the brink.

Lust in the heart is adultery the same as the act.
**
This is insane.**

Anger in the heart is the same as murder.

This is a lie.

Your non-interventionalist pro-choice is the same as standing at the podium at a NARAL or NOW rally and railing for more dead babies. There is no difference.

**It’s unfortunate that your black and white mind cannot fathom the difference. Go, live your life and be perfect.

L**

Eddie Mac