Anyone notice the irony here: Catholics criticising Muslims and Islam on this forum

[morning_star777]

but i guess,for our softness we will lost all land like constantinople.soon islam will devour christianity.then we have to pay tribute tax as second class citizen.our successors will curse us for our softness.our successors will be slave for muslims once i guess.but what ever maybe its god’s will.s i wont complain again.

 

[planten]

very good logic mr.dante but a problem.hindus also believe 3 chief god.brahma,vishnu,shiva.they also worship many gods.but they proved with indian philosophy that they worship only true god named param brahmn.and though gautam buddha never claim that he is god himself but buddhist belive that he is the true god.maybe not all sectors but many sectors belive that.so of course here is also some truth.but their books didn’t teach violence like quran

**m_s777, that was not good taking any support from the hindus. Hindus can believe what they like. The discussion here is about the jews and Christians and Muslims. That is the children of Abraham.

There is no mention of any hindu business in the bible OT. No mention in the Bible NT and no mention of any hindu dieties in the Quran. So what use it is to bring in the hindu beliefs to support your Trinity?? There is no link. **

 

[planten]

dear mr/mrs rinnie,actualy i wanted to say that muslims don’t pray to same god.cause their god teach violence&hate,though muslim claim that they worship holy father(but muslims don’t belive fatherhood of god).&about jew personaly i belive that jews are our friend&brother.they truely belive holy father.i always loved jew even when i was a muslim.i always support israel as the true homeland of jew.i am a christian&i love jews as my brother.

** Islam is a religion of peace. It means peace. It does not allow any one to kill any innocent peaceful person. There is no proof that Islam teaches violence. That is a false report. Not a shred of proof. But if the christianity allows the rascals to go scot free then that is their weakness and quite against the nature.

Nature demands punishment for the wicked. Jesus did not get any chance to implement anything. Had he the chance, he would have implemented the law of Moses completely, i.e. tooth for tooth and eye for eye and life for life. Dear m_s777 did you see any violence in your sacred book the Bible OT?? I do not see any violence.**

 

[planten]

i want to add something in my previous reply.i love jews as my brother.and all true christians are my brother and sister.my own brother and sister.now if any one will address me as a bigot christian then i don’t care.and i worship jesus as my only god.jesus bless all ppl.

**Jesus was created. He had a God to whom he prayed. So you are praying to a creature by making a god of him. Why not you please pray to the One to whom Jesus also prayed?? It is a clear mistake on your part. You pray to that One to whom Jesus prayed all the time, specially in the garden before his arrest.

I always pray to that same God to whom Jesus prayed. I do not find that wrong. But I do not pray to Jesus because he used to pray to One God and he never told any one to pray to him. Can you show in the Bible NT if Jesus told any one to pray to him?? Please tell me and show??**

 

[AgnosTheist]

There is no proof that Islam teaches violence. That is a false report. Not a shred of proof.

Stop LYING, planten:

*“Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.” - Quran 4:34 *
BEAT —> VIOLENCE

Islam is a religion of peace. It means peace.

Another lie. Salaam means peace. Islam means submission.

 

[planten]

but i guess,for our softness we will lost all land like constantinople.soon islam will devour christianity.then we have to pay tribute tax as second class citizen.our successors will curse us for our softness.our successors will be slave for muslims once i guess.but what ever maybe its god’s will.s i wont complain again.

**You are not soft. You are already a hard boiled. Nobody is taking over any place. The christians are dominating most parts of the world. You need not fear and please do not spread rumors.

You be peaceful. You will be the first class citizen unless you support the fanatic Mullas, as some of you keep on doing. You support them and say that they are the real islam then you had it. That will not be the fault of Islam. That will be your own fault.**

 

[AgnosTheist]

There is no proof that Islam teaches violence. That is a false report. Not a shred of proof.

Stop LYING, planten:

*“Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.” - Quran 4:34 *
BEAT —> VIOLENCE

Islam is a religion of peace. It means peace.

Another lie. Salaam means peace. Islam means submission.

 

[morning_star777]

planten,i am not soft u r correct.but ur islami law made me hard.&i am not spreading rumour.i don’t have any profit if i will spread rumour.i am telling the truth.don’t forget the history of india.muslims divide india not christians or others.muslims spreading terrorism not other ppl.muslims hate non muslim not other ppl.i am still in a muslim family though i have changed.i see everywhere just hate for non muslims.ya muslims hate other ppl.

 

[morning_star777]

planten prove that jesus is not a god.don’t use ur fiction book koran.i don’t belive it.just 3days before you edited quran.so how can it came from god?you didn’t reply inJESUS.you didn’t reply about the inheritance law.cause you can’t.ur quran is full of error.so how can you reply me with it?u r clever.so you ignored all message.but wat ever.1st prove that jesus is not god then shout.

 

[morning_star777]

mr.planten,islam means submission not peace.its not peacefull religion.actually its not any type of religion.its just a heresy.ur quran taught violence.me&other fellow gave many reference of quran.how much prove you need?but i guess wat prove we will give you will edit quran again.&i will never worship any god except jesus.so pls don’t advice me about that.belive it or not i respect you as a moderate muslim.but pls don’t give up ur logic.

 

[rinnie]

well rinnie,if honorable pope john paul II said so then what can i say!pope is the vicar of jesus&our leader.so we must have to obey what he said.but maybe he said it just for formality.cause vatican want to good relation with muslim.or maybe he really think that muslims&christians pray to same god.ok i accepted this.cuz former pope said so.but its true that muslims r violent&islam teach violence.so i will always hate islam(not all muslims).

Well morning star that was a good response, you are a good Roman Catholic, Im with you if the pope says it, then we must obey.

 

[morning_star777]

Well morning star that was a good response, you are a good Roman Catholic, Im with you if the pope says it, then we must obey.

thanks.but if they have same god then they worship him as heretic way.&heresy always heresy.isn’t that?Jehovahs Witness also belive holy father.jews belive OT.but muslims brought a fiction book that was written by a heretic man,by a false prophet,who claimed that he is a prophet of god.

 

[morning_star777]

mr.planten i replied ur every post.now its ur turn.reply my messages if you can.i am ready to fight to you.remember planten if you wont reply then it will be ur defeat.but its up to you.if you can or want then reply neither don’t reply.i don’t care.but if u will reply then never forget that i am also ready to face you.&really i am not soft like other christians.may jesus alway give me power.

 

[Booklover]

** Islam is a religion of peace. It means peace. It does not allow any one to kill any innocent peaceful person. There is no proof that Islam teaches violence. That is a false report. Not a shred of proof. But if the christianity allows the rascals to go scot free then that is their weakness and quite against the nature.**

Islam is not and never has been a religion of peace! It’s been a cult of war since Muhammad got strong and started his campaign of terror against the unbelievers. It doesn’t mean “peace” either, it means "submission!

The proof that Islam preaches violence is in the Quran itself, and as for your claim that it does not allow the killing of the innocent, means the killing of Muslims since Muslims believe that no unbeliever is innocent! So stop using takkiya!

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Nature demands punishment for the wicked. Jesus did not get any chance to implement anything. Had he the chance, he would have implemented the law of Moses completely, i.e. tooth for tooth and eye for eye and life for life. Dear m_s777 did you see any violence in your sacred book the Bible OT?? I do not see any violence.

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Another ignorant post that shows that you know absolutely nothing about Christianity!

Vickie

 

[AgnosTheist]

Jesus did not get any chance to implement anything. Had he the chance, he would have implemented the law of Moses completely, i.e. tooth for tooth and eye for eye and life for life.

Jesus did have a chance. But instead of implement Moses’ Law on stoning an adulteress, Jesus said “he who has no sin, cast the first stone”.

Jesus was not a violent man. Unlike Mohammad.

 

[R_not]

Even if R_not is a she, that doesn’t excuse what she does: calling ALL Muslims liars when there certainly are among them some who speak sincerely. You can bear false testimony even when you don’t lie! And it can happen to anyone of us, Booklover.
Now is all of Islam wrong? Are they wrong on everything? I would doubt it. I know they are wrong when they say Jesus didn’t die on the cross and when they say there is no such thing as the Holy Trinity, I don’t deny it…
But to say that all imams are pro-violence against the innocent is a pretty gross generalization, the way I see it.
Of course, if you keep insulting somebody to his face in front of others, he’d be prone to react and wouldn’t you in his/her place?
That does not mean you will shoot that person…

Since the koran and mohammed sanctions lying - when we speak against islam and the prophet and they deny it, make excuses by pointing to other’s bad behavior instead of doing anything about their own behavior (in other words taking some responsibility for what islam teaches!), try to compare islam to Christianity when there is no comparison since islam has been violent for 1400 years and has no intentions of stopping, etc - yes, I call muslims practicing their koran - and that is called either taqiyya or kithman depending on what sect of islam they are. And you know what that is - lying. If it isn’t the truth then it is lying.

muslims also practice this thing called ‘turnspeak’. Basically it is what Stalin also practiced - say a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. It is how they change history and the facts. They will blame the Jews, or whatever non-muslim they want to blame, for the problems that muslims themselves have caused.

A primary example is what is going on in Israel today. muslims blame the Jews for the murder that muslims do on a daily basis. They also have redefined words such as peace, peace treaty, aggressor, oppressor, innocents, victims, etc to their advantage. And Westerners will just take the words at face value without even considering that the muslims have a different definition for them.

Innocents - only muslims are innocents
victims - only muslims are victims
peace - death, conversion to islam, or subjugation of non-muslims
*peace treaty *- hudna which can last no longer than 10 years and must be broken as soon as possible by muslims when they are rearmed and regrouped.
aggressor - Jews, Chrstians and any non-muslim against muslims no matter if the muslims have started the violence - no infidel is to harm a muslim - the rule of dhimmitude or subjugation!

The list goes on.

and the number one rule that muslims do is deny anything that infidels say about their so called ‘religion’ because infidels are not to speak against islam, the koran or mohammed who was a murderer, thief, liar, rapist, enslaver, and torturer.

 

[R_not]

Stop LYING, planten:

*“Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and *beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.” - Quran 4:34
BEAT —> VIOLENCE

Another lie. Salaam means peace. Islam means submission.

Oops, I forgot those words in my list of words that muslims redefine. Beating, violence.

beating - a muslim male’s duty
violence - party time for a muslim - time to rile up the infidels.

 

[rinnie]

thanks.but if they have same god then they worship him as heretic way.&heresy always heresy.isn’t that?Jehovahs Witness also belive holy father.jews belive OT.but muslims brought a fiction book that was written by a heretic man,by a false prophet,who claimed that he is a prophet of god.

Morning star I agree with you, some how some way they went astray with their religion, the way they treat women, commit adultry, yes it goes against our faith, but the point is in the beginning we all had the same God. But you must remember too alot of Muslims are good God fearing people and peaceful, like all religions they have nuts too. Just like some Catholics are a disgrace to our faith, I think the best thing we can do is try to be a good example of our faith. But i do understand what you are saying, but then again you have to understand, some are very good and gentle people. Its just the bad always seem to stand out more than the good. But peace be with you morning star. And keep defending your faith, i agree with you there.

 

[R_not]

Here is an exceptional write up from Serge Trifkovic and I would suggest everyone reading it. It is a bit long but you can save it or print it and read it at your leisure. I suggest saving it and/or printing it because way too often muslims have gotten things censored or filed lawsuits to stop the truth about islam from being spread about.

sheikyermami.com/2008/05/13/serge-trifkovic-can-the-west-be-saved/

 

[swariffin]

mr.planten i replied ur every post.now its ur turn.reply my messages if you can.i am ready to fight to you.remember planten if you wont reply then it will be ur defeat.but its up to you.if you can or want then reply neither don’t reply.i don’t care.but if u will reply then never forget that i am also ready to face you.&really i am not soft like other christians.may jesus alway give me power.

Dear Brother,

I know what you are feeling, brother. But, for the sake of Jesus, whom you believe too, please calm down. Jesus teach us to love our “enemy” right. Let alone, Planten definitely is not our enemy. He just has not finished reading the new testament yet, so he missed the point that Jesus ordered us to love our enemy. When he reach the correct verse, he will understand because Jesus said so directly without any parables and without any need for further interpretation.

Perhaps, I suggest to use the word “Argue” rather than “Fight”. That should be a better word. From my earlier postings, you will know that how much I argue Paarsurrey, for example. But, between me and Paar, we respect and we like each other. Me and Planten, also had a strong argument before. But, after we understand each other better, me and Planten agreed to disagree, but we do this peacefully. I don’t want you to increase your blood pressure, brother.