Anyone notice the irony here: Catholics criticising Muslims and Islam on this forum

[planten]

For years we have divided ourselves by race and have always had racial tensions, even today.

I feel that the new division is going to be religion and that time is coming.

Christians vs. Muslims

As Muslims spread at an alarming rate across Europe and the globe into majority Christian nations the tensions and backlash will swell and push back against Muslim tyranny will begin, it already has begun.

With their birthrates out doing Christians 3 to 1 it is only a matter of time before Muslims are the majority in many countries.

Read Mark Steyn’s book called America Alone.

Of course there are all types of Muslims, Moderates and Militants. There is not to be any politics. Islam allows any one to rule the world as long as he rules with justice and without prejudice. If there are christians ruling a country, the muslims live there under the christian rule, as long as the christian (king and people) do not oppress the Muslims, then the Muslims should not enter any political arena. Never to do that. If they do then it will be wrong.

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

**The killing mentioned is not true.
**
They gave you references to the Sura. Is the Quran not infallible?

Islam is a peaceful religion and advises peace, upholds peace. But if it is opposed physically and attacked then only it permits the Muslims to retaliate (fight back).Otherwise, there is no fight, no war.

Did you not read the Sura’s quoted? Can you explain away ALL of the verses that speak of Christians and Jews as a low-life form of human? Once you declare a certain race or kind of people as “non-human” or inferior to another race or kind of people, guess what happens? Remember Hitler?

MW

 

[Joero]

**The killing mentioned is not true. Islam is a peaceful religion and advises peace, upholds peace. But if it is opposed physically and attacked then only it permits the Muslims to retaliate (fight back).Otherwise, there is no fight, no war.

The verse mentioned above (9:5) is special for the pagans of Makkah who had driven the prophet out of his city (Makkah) and he had to run away to madinah. The Pagans did not let the prophet rest there in Madinah too. They attacked Madinah quite a few times with large armies. But they were unable to damage the Muslim city.

Later when, the city of Makkah was liberated then it was ordered to kill the polytheists after four months amnesty. They could live for 4 months. After that they were not to be seen in that city. That was not too bad for them.**

As I have mentioned in my former post, I have not read Koran yet. Maybe the context was not explained to me. But don’t worry I’ll try to borrow that Koran from my muslim friend and I’ll try to understand the real context of it and we will be meeting again on this fora and I will tell you what I’ll find out.

Thanks for your explanation.

 

[Delta2]

The killing mentioned is not true. Islam is a peaceful religion and advises peace, upholds peace.

I don’t agree with that, the Qu’ran is evil by nature, it makes people become terrorists, Allah is a Sinner by nature, it is just enough to read the qu’ran

Of course, not all of them are terrorists, they just avoid reading that verses, or some Hadiths

Is there any chance to interpret Sura 9 other than literally ? I don’t think so

The Qu’ran is like the Alf Lailah Oua Lailah collection of books, One Thousand and One Nights

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_One_Thousand_and_One_Nights

Full of fables, tales, and stories that are good readings for children like : flying horses, ants speaking, jesus speaking from the cradle, slitted moons…etc…etc…

Read this :

frontline.org.za/news/end_of_islam.htm

 

[holdencaulfield]

Violence first generates in the human mind; if it does not get a theoretical support there, it won’t transform in reality; my intention is it does not get a support in the mind. Then of course we could also pray for peace.

Well of course, but my point is that the extremists of all religions will not stop fighting, they just won’t. Besides look at the Cold War. The USA and the USSR had a common enemy and then got along. In this analogy pretend that Germany was the atheists. Ok after they have destroyed them, they both fight over who can get more people to be capitalist or communist. The same would happen, lets say Christianity, Islam, and Judaism got all the atheists to convert, wouldn’t we fight about who got more converts. What about in fighting between religions. Do you not think the Sunni and Shite (sorry about my spelling) well not fight. Do you think the Catholics and the Orthodox will not fight?

 

[R_not]

**The killing mentioned is not true. Islam is a peaceful religion and advises peace, upholds peace. But if it is opposed physically and attacked then only it permits the Muslims to retaliate (fight back).Otherwise, there is no fight, no war.

The verse mentioned above (9:5) is special for the pagans of Makkah who had driven the prophet out of his city (Makkah) and he had to run away to madinah. The Pagans did not let the prophet rest there in Madinah too. They attacked Madinah quite a few times with large armies. But they were unable to damage the Muslim city.

Later when, the city of Makkah was liberated then it was ordered to kill the polytheists after four months amnesty. They could live for 4 months. After that they were not to be seen in that city. That was not too bad for them.**

You are being disingenuous and the koran says that if we don’t convert then it is quite all right to kill us and if we are people of the book then to subjugate us.

You can keep on thinking that islam means peace when it does not but don’t keep telling us that when it is not true.

If you think that death or subjugation means peace - then I suppose it is another definition problem that I talked about in a past post. I don’t want to be a muslim, I don’t want my, or anyone’s children, condemned to islam, and for islam that means death or subjugation - if they are ‘people of the book’.

I have read the koran and hadiths - and if one doesn’t want to read it these are excellent videos on the subject of violence in the koran/islam.

islam against unbelievers:
youtube.com/watch?v=2z5_djbuagc

islam against Christians:
youtube.com/watch?v=FZdeNZS1yqk

fight and kill in islam:
youtube.com/watch?v=b7QWQNJ-ozg

If it were so peaceful, mohammed himself wouldn’t have fought in so many battles himself. And we know about muslims looking at our land as the realm of war (dar al harb) and as such they are allowed to deceive us.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 269: Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
The Prophet said, “War is deceit.”
A similar Hadith is also found in Sunaan Abu Dawud

Here is the essence of the koran:
The Essence of the Qur’an

I am often met with disbelief when describing the violent content of the Islamic sacred works to others. One needs to read the book himself to understand the pervasiveness of violence and prejudice therein. A good summary has been compiled by one Islamic scholar, who precedes it with: “The following is the essence of the Qu’ran, the rest are fairy tales:”

Quran Surah 2: The Cow

Don’t bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 6

Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 10

A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 24

Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 39, 90

For disbelievers is a painful doom. 104

For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 114

Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 126

The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 162

They will not emerge from the Fire. 167

Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 174

How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 175

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. 191

War is ordained by Allah. 216

Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 217

Disbelievers worship false gods. They will burn forever in the Fire. 257

Allah does not guide disbelievers. 264

“Give us victory over the disbelieving folk.” 286

 

[R_not]

Quran Surah 3: The Family Of 'Imran

Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 4

Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 10

Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 12

Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 21

Theirs will be a painful doom. 77

All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 85

Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 91

Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 105-6

Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 116

The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 131

We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 151

Theirs will be an awful doom. 176

Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 177

Disbelievers will have a shamful doom. 178

Disbelievers will go to Hell. 196

Quran Surah 4: Women

Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom. 14

For the disbelievers, We have prepared a painful doom. 18

For disbelievers, We prepare a shameful doom. 37

Hell is sufficient for their burning. 55

Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 56

Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 74

Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 76

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 89

If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 91 ( Offering peace in Islam means surrendering. All 67 out of 68 wars of Muhammad were offensive. They are called qazwah (raid, ambush, sudden attack). That is how Muhammad waged his wars. He raided, massacred and looted civilians with no warning. The one defensive war, ‘ditch’ was not fought. That is why the Islamic terrorism ‘jihad’ will continue until the West “offers peace”. This was made clear by Bin Laden.)

Those who oppose the messenger and become unbelievers will go to hell. 115

Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe and disbelieve again will never be forgiven by Allah. 137

For the hypocrites there will be a painful doom. 138

Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers into hell. 140

The hypocrites will be in the lowest part of hell and no one will help them there. 145

You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don’t are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 150-151

For the disbelievers, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 161

God will guide disbelievers down a road that leads to everlasting hell. 168-169

 

[R_not]

Quran Surah 5: The Table Spread

Those who deny Islam will be losers in the Hereafter. 5

Disbelievers are the rightful owners of Hell. 10

Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 33 (Anyone who resist Islam is deemed to be making war with Allah)

Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 36

Disbelievers will want to come out of the Fire, but will not. Their will be a lasting doom. 37

Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, and tooth for tooth. Non-muslims are wrong doers. 45

Christians will be burned in the Fire. 72

Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 73

Disbelievers will be owners of hell-fire. 86

Quran Surah 6: The Cattle

Many generations have been destroyed by Allah. 6

Allah will torment those who deny his revelations. 49

Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. 70

When nonbelievers die, the angels will deliver to them doom and degradation. 93

Allah chooses to lead some astray, and he lays ignominy on those who disbelieve. 125

Allah will send everyone the Fire, except those he chooses to deliver. 128

Quran Surah 7: The Heights

How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them. 4-5

Allah has made devils the protecting friends of disbeliveers. 27

Disbelievers choose devils as protecting friends and believe they are rightly guided. 30

Only believers go to heaven. 32

Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire. 36

Entire nations have entered the Fire. Some get a double torment. 38

Disbelievers will be excluded from heaven. Theirs will be a bed of hell. 40-41

Those in the Fire will cry out to those in heaven, saying: “Pour water on us.” But Allah has forbidden that to disbelievers. 50

Those who deny Muhammad’s revelation are evil. 177

Quran Surah 8: The Spoils of War

Allah will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers, and smite their necks and fingers. 12

Disbelievers will be tormented in the Fire. 14

When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell. 15-16

Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve. 35

Those who disbelieve will be gathered into hell. 36

The angels smite the face and backs of disbelievers, saying: “Taste the punishment of burning!” 50

The worst beasts in Allah’s sight are the disbelievers. 55

Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 65

A prophet may not take captives until he has made a slaughter in the land. 67

Surah 9: Repentance

Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve. 3

Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 5

Don’t let idolaters tend the sanctuaries. Their works are in vain and they will be burned in the Fire. 17

Give tiding of a painful doom to Christians and Jews. 34

If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom. 39

Disbelievers go to hell. 49

Those who vex the Prophet, for them there is a painful doom. 60

Those who oppose Allah and His messenger will burn in the fire of hell. 63

Allah promises hypocrites and disbelievers the fire of hell. Allah curses them. They will have a lasting torment. 68

Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway. 73

Allah will afflict disbelievers with a painful doom in this world and the Hereafter. 74

For disbelievers there will be a painful doom. 90

Don’t pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire. 113

Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 123

 

[R_not]

Quran Surah 10: Jonah

Disbelievers will have a boiling drink and a painful doom. 4

Those who neglect Allah’s revelations will make their home in the Fire. 7-8

Allah has destoyed entire generations. 13

Those who disbelieved will face a dreadful doom. 70

Allah drowned those who disbelieved his revelations. 73

Moses asked Allah to harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they would not believe until they saw the painful doom. 88

Quran Surah 11: Hud

Disbelievers wil1 end up in the Fire. 17

Those who oppose Islam and disbelieve in the Hereafter are guilty of the greatest wrong. 18-19

Those in the Fire will suffer as long as the heavens and earth endure. 106-7

Allah will fill hell with humans and jinn. 119

Quran Surah 13: The Thunder

Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire 5

Allah does not hear the prayer of disbelievers. 14

Those who do not answer Allah’s call will go to hell. 18

Disbelievers will be tormented in this life, and suffer even more pain in the Hereafter. 33-34

The reward for disbelievers is the Fire. 35

Quran Surah 14: Abraham

Woe unto the disbelievers. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2

Allah sends some people astray. 4

Those who are in hell will be forced to drink festering water which they can hardly swallow. They will want to die, but they will not be able to. Theirs is a harsh doom. 16-17

Allah sends wrong-doers astray. He does whatever he likes. 27

Those in hell will be chained together. Their clothing will be made of pitch and fire will cover their faces. 49-50

Quran Surah 15: The Rock

Let the disbelievers enjoy life and let false hope beguile them. They will come to know! 2-3

Iblis will lead humans astray. Only perfect Muslims will be safe from him. The rest will go to hell. 39-43

Allah’s doom is a dolorous doom. 50

Quran Surah 16: The Bee

Allah could have led everyone to the truth, but he chose not to. 9

Those who don’t believe in the Hearafter are proud. 22

Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever. 27-29

Disbelievers are liars. 39

Allah will add doom to doom for those who disbelieve. 88

Those who oppose Islam will face an awful doom. 94

Quran Surah 17: The Children of Israel

Allah made hell to be a dungeon for disbelievers. 8

Allah has prepared a painful doom for those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 10

Allah destroyed entire towns. 16

How many generations Allah has destroyed since Noah! 17

Allah intends to burn people in hell. 18

Allah makes it so that unbelievers cannot understand. 45-46

Allah will destroy every town before the Day of Resurrection. 58

Allah will send disbelievers astray. Then he’ll burn them in hell, increasing the flames from time to time. 97-98

Quran Surah 18: The Cave

Allah has prepared a Fire for the disbelievers. When they want a shower, Allah will give them a shower of molten lead to burn their faces. 29

Those who are condemned to the Fire know they will have no way to escape. 53

The worst wrong is to forget Allah’s revelations. Allah covers their hearts and makes them deaf so that they will never believe the truth. 57

There is an appointed time in which the doomed will find no escape. 58

Allah has destroyed many towns. 59

On a certain day, Allah will present hell, in plain view, to the disbelievers. 100

Allah will welcome the disbelievers into hell. 102

Hell is the reward for disbelievers because they made a jest of Allah’s revelations and messengers. 106

Quran Surah 19: Mary

Allah will pluck out from every sect those who should burn in hell. 69-70

Allah will record what disbelievers say and then prolong their torment. 77-79

Allah has sent the devils on the disbelievers to confuse them. 83

Allah has destroyed many generations. 98

Quran Surah 20: Ta Ha

Those who do not believe Allah’s revelations will face doom in the Hereafter. 127

Allah has destroyed many generations. 128

Quran Surah 21: The Prophets

Allah destroyed entire towns, yet the people still disbelieved. 6

The people cried out for mercy, but Allah killed them anyway. 15

Disbelievers will not be able to put out the fire on their faces and backs. They will be stupefied and no one will help them. 39-40

Allah gave judgment and knowledge to Lot . He was a righteous man. (Genesis 19:7-38) 75

Every person alive at the time of the flood was evil. So Allah drowned them all. 77

The disbelievers will stare in terror at what Allah has in store for them. 97-99

Surah 22: The Pilgrimage

The devil will guide some to the punishment of the Flame. 3-4

Those who turn from the way of Allah will face ignominy in this world and burning in the next. 9

Whoever thinks that Allah will not give Muhammad victory should go hang himself. 15

Disbelievers will wear garments of fire, boiling fluid will be poured on their heads, their bellies and skin will be melted, they will be tormented with iron hooks, and when they try to escape they will be driven back with the taunt: Taste the doom of burning. 19-22

Allah will provide the disbelievers with a painful doom. 25

How many towns Allah has destroyed! 45

Those who disregard Allah’s revelations are the owners of the Fire. 51

Those who disbelieve Allah’s revelations will have a shameful doom. 57

Those who disbelieve Allah’s revelations will burn in the Fire. 72

Quran Surah 23: The Believers

Allah told Noah not to bother pleading for the people he was about to drown. 27

Those who don’t believe in the Hereafter will receive extreme punishment from Allah. 74-77

When fire burns their faces, they will be glum. 104

Disbelievers will not be successful. 117

 

[R_not]

Surah 24: The Light

Scourge adulterers and adulteresses with 100 stripes. Do not show them any pity. Have a party of believers watch the punishment. 2

Only adulterers can marry adulteresses. Believers are not to marry them. 3

Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women. 26

Believing women must lower their gaze and be modest, cover themselves with veils, and not reveal themselves except to their husbands, relatives, children, and slaves. 31

Disbelievers are miscreants. 55

Disbelievers will never escape the Fire that will be their home. 57

It’s okay for believers to own slaves. 58

The only true believers are those who believe in Allah and his messenger. 62

Quran Surah 25: The Criterion

Those who deny the coming of the Hour will be chained together and burned with fire. They will pray for their own destruction. 11-13

Allah will force the evil-doers to taste great torment. 19

It will be a hard day for disbelievers and wrong-doers. They will gnaw on their hands and wish they had chosen Islam. 26-27

Those who deny Muhammad’s revelations will be destroyed. 36

Allah drowned everyone in the flood of Noah, and has prepared a painful doom for evil-doers. 37

Quran Surah 26: The Poets

Allah destroyed the people in Lot 's town with a dreadful rain. 172-3

Many will not believe until they see the painful doom. 201

Those who believe in another god are doomed. 213

Quran Surah 27: The Ant

Allah leads those who do not believe in the Hereafter astray by making things work out OK in this life, so that he can torment them forever in the next. They will get the worst punishment and will be the greatest losers. 4-5

“Allah destroyed them and their people, every one.” 51

But he “saved those who believed.” 53

Allah sent a dreadful rain on “those who stayed behind.” 58

Whoever does something wrong will be thrown into the Fire. 90

Quran Surah 28: The Narrative

Allah has completely destroyed many communities. 58

Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined? 62-64

Allah caused the earth to swallow Korah. 79-81

Never help disbelievers. 86 (Can Muslims in countries ruled in by non-Muslims be loyal to their country?)

Quran Surah 29: The Spider

Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah have no hope of mercy. For such there is a painful doom. 23

Only wrong-doers deny the revelations of Allah. 49

Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah are the losers. 52

The doom of hell will come upon disbelievers suddenly, when they least expect it. 53-55

Quran Surah 30: The Romans

Allah will tear Christians apart for ascribing partners to him. 13-14

Disbelievers will be brought to doom. 16

It’s OK to own slaves. 28

Allah does not love disbelievers. 45

Allah seals the heart of disbelievers. (And then he burns them in the Fire.) 59

Quran Surah 31: Luqman

Those who mislead others from Allah’s way and mock Islam will have a painful doom. 6-7

Allah will give disbelievers a little comfort for a little while, and then he’ll torment them forever with a heavy doom. 23-24

Quran Surah 32: The Prostration

Allah will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together. 13

Allah: Taste the doom of immortality because of what ye used to do. 14

Those who used to deny the Fire will be tormented in it forever. 20

The worst thing you can do is to deny the revelations of Allah. 22

Quran Surah 33: The Clans

Don’t obey disbelievers. 1 (Can Muslims in countries ruled in by non-Muslims be loyal to their country?)

Allah makes the deeds of unbelievers fruitless. 19

Allah cast panic into the hearts of the disbelievers. He killed some, and enslaved others. 25-26

Allah gave Zeyd’s wife, his own daughter in law to Muhammad in marriage. This was so that all Muslims would know that it’s OK to marry your adopted son’s ex-wife. 37

Ignore disbelievers and their poisonous talk. 48

It’s OK to own slaves. 50

Allah says it is lawful for Muhammad to marry any women he wants. 50-51

It’s OK to own slaves. 55

Those who malign Allah, Muhammad, and Muslims will be cursed by Allah in this life and with doom in the Hereafter. 57

Those who oppose Islam will be slain with a fierce slaughter. 60-61

Allah has cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a flaming fire, wherein they will abide forever. 64-65

The disbelievers will be burned in the Fire with a double torment. 66-68

Quran Surah 34: Saba

Those who challenge the revelations of Muhammad will have a painful doom. 5

Those who disbelieve in the Hereafter will be tormented. 8

But some of the jinn Allah burned with flaming Fire. 12

Those who strive against Allah’s revelations will be brought to the doom. 38

Those who worshipped the jinn will taste the doom of the Fire. 41

Allah hates those who ignore his messengers. 45

Those who are cast into hell be terrified when they see that they have no escape. Then they will believe. But it will be too late. 51-52

 

[holdencaulfield]

@R_not:

Seriously stop. No one cares, this isn’t contributing to the discussion.

 

[R_not]

Quran Surah 35: The Angels

Those who disbelieve will have an awful doom. 7

Allah sends whoever he wants astray. 8

Allah hates disbelievers. 26

Disbelievers will burn forever in the fire of hell. Allah will keep them alive so that he can torture them forever. When they repent and ask for mercy, he will ignore them. 36-7

He who disbelieves, his disbelief will be on his own head. 39

Allah has blinded the disbelievers so that they cannot see the truth. So it don’t bother warning them.

Quran Surah 36: Ya Sin

They will go to hell anyway. 8-10

Allah has destroyed many entire generations. 31

If Allah feels like it, he will drown everyone. 43

Allah will burn the disbelievers in hell. 63-4

Quran Surah 37: Those Who Set The Ranks

Those who refuse to believe in Muhammad’s revelations will face a painful doom. 31-38

Those in hell must eat from a tree with the heads of devils, and then drink boiling water. After that they return to hell. 62-68

Allah drowned everyone except Noah and his family in the flood. 82

Allah tells Abraham in a dream to sacrifice his son. (But is the son Ishmael or Isaac?) 102

Allah killed everyone in Sodom except for Lot and his family. 136

No one is against Allah, except those who burn in hell. 162-3

Quran Surah 38: Sad

Allah has destroyed many generations. 3

Those who doubt will soon taste Allah’s doom. 8

Those who deny the messengers deserve doom. 14

Those who wander from the way of Allah will have an awful doom. 26

Those who disbelieve will burn in the Fire. 27

The transgressors will roast in the Fire and be forced to drink boiling liquids followed by ice cold drinks. 55-9

Iblis asks Allah to let him hang around and mislead humans. Allah allows him to do so, and Iblis leads all humans to hell except for the single-minded slaves. Allah agrees, and plans to fill hell with Iblis and his followers. 79-85

Quran Surah 39: The Troops

Tell the disbelievers to enjoy themselves now, because later they will be owners of the Fire. 8

The losers will be those who lose themselves and their families on the Day of Resurrection. They will be surrounded by fire. 15-16

No one will be able to help those that Allah torments in the Fire. 19

Woe unto those who forget Allah. They are in plain error. 22

Allah sends some people astray. For them there is no guide. 23

The worst thing you can do is tell a lie against Allah. The home of disbelievers is hell. 32

Allah sends some people astray. For them there is no guide. 36

Surrender to Allah before he sends the doom upon you suddenly. 54-55

Those who lie about Allah will be sent to hell and will have their faces blackened. 60

Losers are those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah. 63

Those ascribe a partner to Allah (like the Christians) will be among the losers. 65

Those who disbelieve will be driven into hell. 71-72

Quran Surah 40: The Believer

Allah sent an awful punishment at the time of Noah. 5

Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 6

Allah greatly abhors those who disbelieve. 10

When the doom comes, the hearts of the doomed will choke in their throats, and no one will help them. 18

Those who ignore Allah’s “clear proofs” will be seized and punished severely. 22

Those that Allah sends astray will have no helper or guide. 33

Allah deceives those who doubt. 34

The prodigals will be owners of the Fire. 43

The doomed will be exposed to the Fire morning and evening. 46

Those in hell will beg to be relieved from the Fire’s torment for just a day. But the prayer of a disbeliever is in vain. 49-50

Those who bicker about Allah’s revelations are filled with pride. 56

Those who scorn Allah will go to hell. 60

Those who deny the revelations of Allah are perverted. 63

Those who deny the Scripture and Allah’s messengers will be dragged through boiling water and thrust into the Fire. 70-72

Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my partners that you used to believe in? 73

Thus does Allah send astray the disbelievers (in his guidance). 74

Those who scorn will go to hell. 76

When they see Allah’s doom they will believe in Allah. But their faith will not save them. The disbelievers will be ruined. 84-85

Quran Surah 41: Fusilat

Woe unto the idolaters who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 6

Allah will make life miserable for those who deny his revelations and then he will torment them forever in the Hereafter. And they will not be helped. 15-16

The enemies of Allah will be gathered into the Fire where their skin, ears, and eyes will testify against them. 19-20

Allah will make those who disbelieve taste an awful doom. Their immortal home will be the Fire, since they denied Allah’s revelations. 27-28

Those who disbelieve will taste hard punishment. 50

Quran Surah 42: The Counsel

While some lounge in the Garden, others will roast in the Flame. 7

Those who argue about Allah will have his wrath upon them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 16

Allah sometimes kills people for misbehaving. 34

Allah sends some people astray and then punishes them for it by burning them in the Fire. 44-46

Allah makes some people barren. (Whenever he feels like it.) 50

Quran Surah 43: Ornaments of God

When the Egyptians angered Allah, he drowned them all. 55

Those who argue and do wrong will have a painful doom that will come upon them suddenly. 65-66

The guilty are tormented forever in hell. Allah will not relax their punishment. 74-75

Quran Surah 44: Smoke

Those in torment will claim to believe and ask Allah for relief. But he will refuse since they will return to their disbelief. 11-16

Those in hell must eat from a tree like molten brass that burns their bellies. Then boiling water will be poured on their heads. 43-48

 

[R_not]

Quran Surah 45: Crouching

Those who hear and reject Allah’s revelations are sinful liars. Give them tidings of a painful doom. 7-8

Those who joke about Allah’s revelations will go to hell. Theirs will be an awful doom. 9-10

Those who disbelieve in Allah’s revelations will have a painful doom of wrath. 11

Allah sends some people astray, making it impossible for them to hear or see. 23

Those who disbelieve are guilty folk. 31

Quran Surah 46: The Wind-Curved Sandals

Disbelievers will be rewarded with the ignominious doom of the Fire. 20

The guilty will face a wind with a painful torment. 25

Allah has destroyed entire towns. 27

Allah will taunt the disbelievers that he torments in the fire, saying: “Taste the doom for that ye disbelieved.” 34

Quran Surah 47: Muhammad

Allah makes the works of disbelievers vain. 1

Those who disbelieve follow falsehood. 3

Smite the necks of the disbelievers whenever you fight against them. Those who die fighting for Allah will be rewarded. 4

Allah will damn the disbelievers and make all their actions fruitless. 8-9

Disbelievers may eat and be happy now, but the Fire will be their final home. 12

Those in the Garden will drink delicious wine, while those in the Fire will drink boiling water that will tear apart their intestines. 15

Allah curses people by making them deaf and blind. 23

Angels will gather them together and smite their faces and backs. 27

Allah will make the actions those who disbelieve fruitless. 32

Those who disbelieve will never be pardoned by Allah. 34-35

Quran Surah 48: Victory

Those who think an evil thought concerning Allah will be cursed and sent to hell by him. 6

Allah has prepared a flame for the disbelievers. 13

If you refuse to fight for Allah, he will punish you with a painful doom. 16-17

But if you’re willing to fight for Allah, he will provide you with lots of booty. 19-20

Allah punished those who disbelieved with a painful punishment. 25

Those with Muhammad are ruthless toward disbelievers and merciful toward themselves. 29

Quran Surah 49: The Private Apartments

Do not lift your voice when in Muhammad’s presence. Those who subdue their voices are righteous and will receive an immense reward from Allah. 1-3

Quran Surah 50: Oaf

Allah has destroyed many entire generations. 36

Quran Surah 51: The Winnowing Winds

Accursed are the conjecturers who ask: When is the Day of Judgment? It is the day they will be tormented by the Fire. 10-14

Woe to the disbelievers. 60

Quran Surah 52: The Mount

Those who deny the existence of hell will be thrust into its Fire. 11-16

Those who disbelieve are trapped. 42

Quran Surah 54: The Moon

Allah sent a storm of stones on Lot’s folk, killing all but Lot 's family. 34

The suffering in hell will be more wretched and bitter than anything experienced on earth. 46-48

Allah destroyed many people, but does anyone remember anymore? 51

Quran Surah 55: The Beneficent

The guilty deny hell. But after they die they go circling between it and fierce, boiling water. 43-44

Quran Surah 56: The Event

But those on his left hand will face scorching wind, scalding water, and black smoke. 42-43

Those who deny Allah and the Hereafter will eat from the Zaqqum tree and drink boiling water. 51-54

Allah will welcome the rejecters and erring with boiling water and a roasting in the hell fire. 92-94

Quran Surah 57: Iron

The home of disbelievers is the Fire, a hapless journey’s end. 15

Those who disbelieve and deny Allah’s revelations are the owners of the fire. 19

Quran Surah 58: She That Disputeth

For disbelievers is a painful doom. 4

For disbelievers is a shameful doom. 5

Don’t make friends with Allah’s enemies. For those who do so, Allah has prepared a dreadful doom. 14-15

Those who turn others away from the way of Allah will have a shameful doom. They are rightful owners of the Fire. 16-17

Those who oppose Allah and His Messenger will be among the lowest. 20

On the Last Day good Muslims will not love their non-Muslim friends and family members, not even their fathers, sons, or brothers (or their mothers, daughters, or sisters). 22

Quran Surah 59: Exile

Allah cast fear into the hearts of the disbelieving People of the Scripture. Their home in the Hereafter will be the Fire. 2-3

The disbelieving people of the Scripture are liars. 11

The devil and disbelievers will be in the Fire. 16-17

The owners of the Garden and the owners of the Fire are not equal. 20

Quran Surah 60: She That is to be Examined

Don’t be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah’s) enemy. 1

Don’t be friends with those who have warred against you because of religion. Whoever makes friends with them is a wrong-doer. 9

Don’t be friends with those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. They are Allah’s enemies. 13

Quran Surah 61: The Ranks

Allah loves those who fight for him. 4

Allah leads some people astray. 5

The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. 7

Quran Surah 62: The Congregation

A hypocritical Jew looks like an *** carrying books. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are ugly. 5

Quran Surah 63: The Hypocrites

Allah seals the hearts of those who believe and then disbelieve so that they can understand nothing. 3

Disbelievers are perverted. They are the enemy, confounded by Allah. 4

Don’t bother to ask Allah to forgive the disbelievers. He will never forgive them. 6

 

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Quran Surah 63: The Hypocrites

Allah seals the hearts of those who believe and then disbelieve so that they can understand nothing. 3

Disbelievers are perverted. They are the enemy, confounded by Allah. 4

Don’t bother to ask Allah to forgive the disbelievers. He will never forgive them. 6

Quran Surah 64: Mutual Disillusion

Those who disbelieve will have a painful doom. 5

Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 10

Quran Surah 66: Banning

Muhammad’s wives need to be careful. If they criticize their husband, Allah will replace them with better ones. 5

The fuel of the Fire is men and stones. 6

Be stern with disbelievers. They are going to Hell anyway. 9

The wives of Noah and Lot (who were both righteous) betrayed their husbands and are now in the Fire. 10

Quran Surah67: The Sovereignty

Disbelievers will go to hell where they will hear its roaring and boiling. 6-7

Who will protect the disbelievers from a painful doom? (Nobody) 28

Quran Surah 69: The Reality

Those who do not believe in Allah will be chained up and cast into hell-fire where they will eat filth. 30-35

Quran Surah 71: Noah

Those that Allah drowned in Noah’s flood were then tortured forever in the Fire. 25

Noah asked Allah to drown all the disbelievers. 26

Quran Surah 72: The Jinn

The fires of hell will be fueled with the bodies of idolators and unbelievers. They will experience an ever-greater torment. 15-17

Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will dwell forever in the fire of hell. 23

Quran Surah 73: The Enshrouded One

Allah will take care of the deniers. He will tie them up, burn them in a raging fire, and feed them food that chokes them. 11-13

Quran Surah 74: The Cloaked One

The last day will be a day of anguish for disbelievers. 9-10

Those who are stubborn to Allah’s revelations will face a fearful doom. 16-17

The fire of hell shrivels humans and spares nothing. 27-29

Allah has appointed angels to tend the Fire and has prepared stumbling blocks for those who disbelieve. He sends some people (whoever he wants) astray. 31

Allah is the font of fear. 56

Quran Surah 76: “Time” or “Man”

Allah has prepared chains, manacles, and a raging fire for the disbelievers. 4

Don’t obey disbelievers. 24

Quran Surah 77: The Emissaries

Allah destroyed “the former folk.” 16

Woe unto the repudiators on that day! 19, 24, 28, 34, 40, 45, 49

Quran Surah 79: “Those Who Drag Forth”

Those who rebel will go to hell. 37-39

Quran Surah 80: “He Frowned”

Disbelievers are wicked people. On the last day they will be in darkness and have dust on their faces. 40-42

Quran Surah 82: The Cleaving

The wicked will burn in hell forever. 82

Quran Surah 84: The Sundering

Some folks will be thrown into a scorching fire. 11-12

Disbelievers will be given a painful doom. 22-24

Quran Surah 87: The Most High

Those who are flung into the great Fire will neither live nor die. 12-13

Quran Surah 88: The Overwhelming

On that day many will be sad and weary. Scorched by the fire, drinking boiling water, with only bitter thorn-fruit to eat. 2-7

Allah will punish disbelievers with the direst punishment. 23-24

Quran Surah 89: The Dawn

Allah poured on them the disaster of His punishment. 13

Quran Surah 90: The City

Those who disbelieve Allah’s revelations will have the Fire placed over them like an awning. 19-20

Quran Surah92: The Night

Those who deny Allah’s revelations must endure the flaming fire. 14-16

 

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@R_not:

Seriously stop. No one cares, this isn’t contributing to the discussion.

oops too late - I didn’t see your note.

I guess I was tired of people not knowing what the koran says and the muslims on these threads telling us something else. I apologize if you are inconvenienced by my posts, I won’t do it again.

 

[holdencaulfield]

oops too late - I didn’t see your note.

I guess I was tired of people not knowing what the koran says and the muslims on these threads telling us something else. I apologize if you are inconvenienced by my posts, I won’t do it again.

That’s ok. I know what you posted is true. However my point, was that most people just ignore it. I don’t think it’s helping with the discussion. Thank you for the apology however.

 

[R_not]

Well of course, but my point is that the extremists of all religions will not stop fighting, they just won’t. Besides look at the Cold War. The USA and the USSR had a common enemy and then got along. In this analogy pretend that Germany was the atheists. Ok after they have destroyed them, they both fight over who can get more people to be capitalist or communist. The same would happen, lets say Christianity, Islam, and Judaism got all the atheists to convert, wouldn’t we fight about who got more converts. What about in fighting between religions. Do you not think the Sunni and Shite (sorry about my spelling) well not fight. Do you think the Catholics and the Orthodox will not fight?

This is being disingenous also. I don’t recall Capitalism being a religion. And Christians and Jews, and for that matter Buddhists, Hindus and others have let muslims into their country to prosper and live - then when the muslims numbers are increased to sufficient numbers the muslims start their fighting/jihad.

I have posted this previously but will post it again:
article on % of muslim and % of violence:

frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=4DE15EF9-A76C-4DD4-81E2-75683AEED74D

They declared a jihad against us, formally, in the late 1970s. They have recently declared yet another jihad against India late last year (throughout 1400 years India has at least 3 devastating jihads against them that brought them to their knees).

I hear this quite often - that comparison that fundamentalists are the same with islam. It just is not true and in our society, if they commit a crime our police hunt them down, give them a trial and mete out punishment if necessary. Sharia law says it is a-ok to do anything to infidels.

 

[holdencaulfield]

However the question was originally, what would happen if the three religions who worship the One True God were to unite against atheism. The pagan Hindus and Buddhists would not be included and would have to be battled against as well.

 

[GraceDK]

However the question was originally, what would happen if the three religions who worship the One True God were to unite against atheism. The pagan Hindus and Buddhists would not be included and would have to be battled against as well.

Please dont blaspheme the Christian God by saying that he was the one who revealed himself though the quran and hadith.

What has Truth to do with the lie? no, there cant be unity with the lie… we must fight the lie… even if it will be on two fronts and we end up martyred…

 

[holdencaulfield]

Please dont blaspheme the Christian God by saying that he was the one who revealed himself though the quran and hadith.

What has Truth to do with the lie? no, there cant be unity with the lie… we must fight the lie… even if it will be on two fronts and we end up martyred…

I would not blaspheme, my point is that Islam believes they worship the One True God. Whether they do or not is irrelevant.