Anyone notice the irony here: Catholics criticising Muslims and Islam on this forum

[R_not]

I would not blaspheme, my point is that Islam believes they worship the One True God. Whether they do or not is irrelevant.

Here is why it is relevant.

Because they have been claiming that fact - our own accept their claims at face value and way too often have been appeasing, apologizing and acquiescing to them. They gain their foothold by their claims. They start their whining and wailing because of their claims and our own accept it all at their claims and they gain more out of intimidation and fear. And like asking the fox into the chicken coop - well, do I have to tell you what happens?!

I suppose I do get frustrated that people are not being made aware of the history of islam - both past and present - but this is what comes with it all. Their claims that they are equal to what we know - Christianity and Judaism - and we think all will be well. Well, it isn’t well if we look at what is happening worldwide. We cannot even mention the slaughter of the armenians by muslims due to us offending them. We cannot even mention the truth in our history books due to us offending them. We allow them into our Universities (the MSA) which has direct ties to the muslim brotherhood and we don’t want to offend them so we just silently accept that too (well, I don’t).

All the while muslims, like the ones on these threads, tell us hogwash about islam. Tricking us, and fooling us into lethargy.

Normal people don’t want to war and battle all the time. That is what mohammed learned and passed on to his followers. That is why hudna, deception, and their own unique definitions that are opposite to ours are so successful. They will say a word and we take it at face value and they mean the total opposite.

Ok, back to the One True God. Their allah is based on a pagan god. Their things such as the kabah, running around it, spitting, snorting, etc are all of that pagan religion. mohammed’s god is a god that wants infidels dead or subjugated and the muslim male to rule over all. All the sins we are taught that lead us to doing evil and the 10 commandments are not taught in islam. In fact, the opposite is taught - anything can be done to infidels - torture, lying, raping, enslaving, pediphilia, lying to, and stealing from - are all a-ok.

If we accept that they are equal we are putting that on the level of our God.

It is relevant that we know that whatever they worship - which to me is closer to Lucifer, if not Lucifer - than our God.

And one thing about Lucifer - wasn’t he supposed to be one of the most beautiful of God’s creations? Isn’t that the face of many muslims that we see - so coy, so virginal, so whatever? And Lucifer was also known as the master, or prince of lies. Now that is what islam is all about.

 

[GraceDK]

Here is why it is relevant.

Because they have been claiming that fact - our own accept their claims at face value and way too often have been appeasing, apologizing and acquiescing to them. They gain their foothold by their claims. They start their whining and wailing because of their claims and our own accept it all at their claims and they gain more out of intimidation and fear. And like asking the fox into the chicken coop - well, do I have to tell you what happens?!

I suppose I do get frustrated that people are not being made aware of the history of islam - both past and present - but this is what comes with it all. Their claims that they are equal to what we know - Christianity and Judaism - and we think all will be well. Well, it isn’t well if we look at what is happening worldwide. We cannot even mention the slaughter of the armenians by muslims due to us offending them. We cannot even mention the truth in our history books due to us offending them. We allow them into our Universities (the MSA) which has direct ties to the muslim brotherhood and we don’t want to offend them so we just silently accept that too (well, I don’t).

All the while muslims, like the ones on these threads, tell us hogwash about islam. Tricking us, and fooling us into lethargy.

Normal people don’t want to war and battle all the time. That is what mohammed learned and passed on to his followers. That is why hudna, deception, and their own unique definitions that are opposite to ours are so successful. They will say a word and we take it at face value and they mean the total opposite.

Ok, back to the One True God. Their allah is based on a pagan god. Their things such as the kabah, running around it, spitting, snorting, etc are all of that pagan religion. mohammed’s god is a god that wants infidels dead or subjugated and the muslim male to rule over all. All the sins we are taught that lead us to doing evil and the 10 commandments are not taught in islam. In fact, the opposite is taught - anything can be done to infidels - torture, lying, raping, enslaving, pediphilia, lying to, and stealing from - are all a-ok.

If we accept that they are equal we are putting that on the level of our God.

It is relevant that we know that whatever they worship - which to me is closer to Lucifer, if not Lucifer - than our God.

And one thing about Lucifer - wasn’t he supposed to be one of the most beautiful of God’s creations? Isn’t that the face of many muslims that we see - so coy, so virginal, so whatever? And Lucifer was also known as the master, or prince of lies. Now that is what islam is all about.

R-not,
I am sorry to say that… I agree with you. based on all the knowlege I have I cannot fathom one bit how anyone can call the god of the quran and the God of the Judeo-Christian Revelation the same…

Yes… it all really thrives on Christian naivite.

 

[Joero]

oops too late - I didn’t see your note.

I guess I was tired of people not knowing what the koran says and the muslims on these threads telling us something else. I apologize if you are inconvenienced by my posts, I won’t do it again.

That was GREAT! There is no need for me to borrow the Koran of my friend. Now, it is clear to me that everything the other posters on this thread, especially those who covered up the evilish teaching of Koran, were deceiving us all the truth about Koran.

If I were to recommend, there’s no need for you to apologize about your long and informative posts. I, for one, would like to extend to you my gratitude for divulging those things. THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH.

You know, I copied and pasted it to my PC. It would be of good help for me in debating (informal debates) in our public plaza here in our place, for these Koran people studied our Christian Bible and they almost good at it, while I myself have not read Koran yet and on the defensive side.

Once more, THANK YOU VERY MUCH ! Have a nice day!

 

[R_not]

That was GREAT! There is no need for me to borrow the Koran of my friend. Now, it is clear to me that everything the other posters on this thread, especially those who covered up the evilish teaching of Koran, were deceiving us all the truth about Koran.

If I were to recommend, there’s no need for you to apologize about your long and informative posts. I, for one, would like to extend to you my gratitude for divulging those things. THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH.

You know, I copied and pasted it to my PC. It would be of good help for me in debating (informal debates) in our public plaza here in our place, for these Koran people studied our Christian Bible and they almost good at it, while I myself have not read Koran yet and on the defensive side.

Once more, THANK YOU VERY MUCH ! Have a nice day!

You’re welcome. Make sure that people know.

I have read it and the hadiths and I can tell you that it is long and… words to describe the ordeal is just nasty. I used to tell people on a different website that one has to take the skull cap off, take a potato masher to the brains and whip them up good, replace the skull cap and then proceed to read the thing. Make sure not to fasten back the skull until one is finished reading it and it will take awhile because it is mostly just rants of a megalomaniac - at least that is what is sounds like to me. I could only take it in spurts and had to read other things in order to just get my mind out of the gutter most of the time.

Someone said that they were afraid of being converted if they read it. I laughed - seriously one has to read it and find out why. There is nothing to lift up the soul, to make one better or to make you even feel good about the world. It is mostly concerned with the carnal being. And their heaven - well, it is a carnal bed of lusty nastiness for the muslim male.

When you hear of women blowing themselves up to be martyrs, what you need to realize are those women probably have dishonored their families and would have been ‘honor killed’ anyway. Or they are depressed (their societies fall to crud once the dhimmi population either are killed off or leave) and see nothing for their futures. many have been married off to old geezers at a very, young age and who knows what they have done - probably woke up and see misery in store for them. And some are actually mentally retarded as the woman who blew herself up in Pakistan earlier this year.

Then there are the women in the UK - I have no idea why they did what they did. Europe is further along in the jihad, but they still have safe houses (something that muslim countries do not have - why should they?! women are nothing to them but property) and if the women are having problems they can go to one of them. Their safe houses are full of muslim women. And we hear they are so willing to blow up their own babies. What kind of a woman is that?!!??!

We see and hear in the Gaza that children as young as 6-7 are being trained as jihadists and also blow themselves up. In Iran during the Iran/Iraq war the children were given green keys and told that they open up the gates of heaven - and then they were sent out as mine sweepers.

The atrocities just pile up. In southeast Asia, Africa, India and elsewhere Christian school girls are beheaded. Many are kidnapped and sold into slavery or sold to old geezers to marry and they are forced to convert. By the way, it is also happening in Europe too.

You better believe the crimes are happening here too it is just that our police and media are not reporting all that they know. In California a muslim polygamist is facing a court of law. Basically, they thumb their noses at our laws because they feel that infidel laws are a joke and not worthy of obeying. It will get worse when their numbers increase and they live in groups and grow outward to gain a voting majority. And they also have knotheads who are infidels and apologists who help them along.

‘peaceful’? yeah - like chaos and death are peaceful. Peaceful to whom?

 

[R_not]

By the way, one of my favorite websites that I keep abreast of the news worldwide (but is very irreverent) just reported that two priests have been murdered by muslims. the news redirects the word ‘muslim’ to the word ‘Asians’.

sheikyermami.com/2008/05/11/londonistan-2nd-priest-attacked-beaten-by-muhammedan-thugs/

It will get worse in Europe unless they grow some gonads and realize that their culture is worth saving. But, it is not looking good right now - the left and the muslims are much further along in the jihad - basically it starts with immigration, the muslims appear peaceful and benign, more immigration, violence against non-muslims start and we just look at it as a normal thing, demands start, more violence, uncontrolled birth rates, the muslims live off of welfare and practice polygamy and use the laws of the land if they feel threatened and of course their favorite thing to do - wail, whine and gnash their teeth if they feel at all like the population is looking at them as a little bit too violent and demanding - more immigration, more uncontrolled births, etc. They start infiltrating the organizations, etc and the country is well on its way to chaos, violence and dhimmitude.

 

[planten]

Please dont blaspheme the Christian God by saying that he was the one who revealed himself though the quran and hadith.

What has Truth to do with the lie? no, there cant be unity with the lie… we must fight the lie… even if it will be on two fronts and we end up martyred…

That would be anti-Jesus or anti-christ policy of hating and fighting the other people. That would be your own invented policy of confrontation and war on other religions. At the least, the policy described cannot be the policy of Jesus “Love thy enemy”.

 

[inJESUS]

. At the least, the policy described cannot be the policy of Jesus “Love thy enemy”.

love thy ennemy yes, love heresies no. A teachin which says God is untruthful is a blasphemy that must be rejected and despised.

 

[GraceDK]

That would be anti-Jesus or anti-christ policy of hating and fighting the other people. That would be your own invented policy of confrontation and war on other religions. At the least, the policy described cannot be the policy of Jesus “Love thy enemy”.

Look friend.
We love our enemy so much that we tell him he is caught by a lie and by darkness. We do this by words, not by the sword…
I believe Islam is called the religion of the sword.
However… you have probably understood the mystiq of Jesus’ words. If you LOVE YOUR ENEMY… then he is not your enemy anymore… but a friend in great need of help.
Yes… Jesus said Love your enemy and pray for those who percecute you. He also said: " I AM before Abraham" and that we must tell everyone that Jesus is Lord who has come to be with His People, One Saviour, One Lord.
We love the Muslim but we hate the darkness that traps him/her.
However… Islamists cannot see the difference between sinner and sin… so they kill the sinner instead of the sin. sin is killed only by repentance and love but Islam leaves no room for these. Therefore every Moslem needs the words of our Lord Jesus…
You are in need of his Salvation both in this world and in the world to come.

 

[planter654]

No it doesn’t - it means submission. That is the misconceptin muslims want us to think it means. It is more about genocide - killing infidels, enslaving infidels, lying to them and stealing from them - basically doing anything they want to do to infidels. It is about the controlling of every aspect of a muslim’s life and mind - from bathroom behavior, sexual behavior, financial behavior, etc. The ultimate fascism - brainwashing and control.

Because infidels are not submitting to islam they view us as less than pigs and feces - kufir - and they are told anything can be done to us.

If it meant peace we wouldn’t be having these types of discussions about islam because their violent past and present wouldn’t be an issue. It would be more along the lines of Buddhism and it is more like the opposite of Buddhism.

I found on the web google–“Israelite Heritage” and “Hebrews of Africa” very interesting.
God Bless

 

[holdencaulfield]

You should love your enemy, however you should not love their sin. Punishment is essential to Christian morality.

 

[GraceDK]

You should love your enemy, however you should not love their sin. Punishment is essential to Christian morality.

Actually forgiveness is essential to Christian morality. Punishment is essential only as a past event that struck Christ once and for all on the Cross for the sins of every human being that has ever lived and ever will live… thereby releasing Salvation to those who believe in Him. He is our Love and Peace.

The main difference between Christianity and any other religion or world view is exactly this essentiality of Forgiveness and the taking on of the Justice penalty for sin which is death which only Jesus is capable of as wholly God and wholly man. A supreme act of love with no other cause.

Therefore we cannot allow people to compare Islam and Christinity as two sides of one coin.
Christian Revelation in Christ is what Carl Barth calls *Das ganz Andere: the wholly other *that comes into the world.

Grace.

 

[R_not]

That would be anti-Jesus or anti-christ policy of hating and fighting the other people. That would be your own invented policy of confrontation and war on other religions. At the least, the policy described cannot be the policy of Jesus “Love thy enemy”.

Making sure that they know we don’t fall for their false stories is not hating or fighting other people. We talk, we discuss - and worldwide muslims are slaughtering our non-muslims brothers and sisters and the so called ‘moderates’ only worry about their image and tell us falsehoods.

If, in your mind, we cannot call them on falsehoods - I suppose we should just lay down and offer our necks to them?! Because that is basically what you are writing. don’t tell them they are wrong - or it means we hate them. Don’t tell them anything that might offend them - because that means we hate them. Well, we should be offending them - they are on a jihad which also applies to the so called ‘moderates’ in that they tell us whatever we want to hear and in the meantime supporting their violent jihadists worldwide. Because when we call them on that - we are offending them. Oh and heaven forbid that we offend them and tarnish their image.

what image?! Lies, deceit and double talk while non-muslims die at their jihadist’s hands.

And I also want to add that they insist on segregation in many places - and why do they do that? Because those masses of ‘moderates’ look at us as being dirty, less than pigs and feces.

 

[whiteknite]

1. That Islam and Christianity are allies against influence of atheism.

Athiests dont burn people and shout witch because they believe different…
Athiests dont blow people up for what they believe…

The Athiests that i know just get on with there daily job of work and looking after there family…
Why the big thing about Athiests??
Jelous because they have more time on there hands to injoy life without worries of what the neighbours say??
The majority of them dont even have an opinion on religons…
AND only judge a person by there personalities…

Why is that so hard to understand??

 

[R_not]

Athiests dont burn people and shout witch because they believe different…
Athiests dont blow people up for what they believe…

The Athiests that i know just get on with there daily job of work and looking after there family…
Why the big thing about Athiests??
Jelous because they have more time on there hands to injoy life without worries of what the neighbours say??
The majority of them dont even have an opinion on religons…
AND only judge a person by there personalities…

Why is that so hard to understand??

I don’t feel that much of a threat from atheists but I do feel emptiness - but that is me.

Atheists do push their agend on us though - what they are trying to do to change us is the same thing that the muslims are doing. But, the end result is not islam - it is emptiness.

I equate atheism with communism also. Communists do indeed pose a threat and are a fascist way of thinking. And they have been known to do atrocities to their own people - Mao got a Southern village so worked up against the landowners the people ate them. Right now the communists are killing Christians in Africa also - although their numbers are not as great as the muslims and what they are doing. (I cannot remember where they are doing this, but they are basically causing the problem with the farms which produce the food and when they start their crud - the people end out starving)

And yes, I think atheism is a religion. They honor such individuals as Che, Chavez, etc. All disgusting individuals.

Much of the Christian bashing is coming from the atheists also. It is one of the things that communists like to do to start their control - destroy Christians because when they do that they destroy a strong group that doesn’t really care for their ways.

Anyway, it is in our Judeo-Christian country that you, and muslims, are allowed to do your thing - to practice, or not practice, as you will. It is not the same in muslim countries, under sharia law, for non-muslims - or atheists - to live and prosper. I also do not even want to go and visit a commie country - I will not support, willingly, with my money their way of life. I have no say in what the government does because they don’t pay attention to my emails and we see how the Democrats behave - go ‘kiss and hug a commie’ seems to be the order of their lives.

 

[KittyGabriel]

Ah, yes. You see this is the good thing about being Catholic. You get to shuve your religion down everyone else’s throat and yet be the most hypocritical person in the world. Catholics by nature are full of themselves. No matter how much they may pretend to care about other religions, they still have only one goal. Making sure everyone knows and accepts them as the one and only. Am I generalizing yes, which I shouldn’t be doing because of course, there are Catholics that don’t pound their religion down everyone’s throats, but overall the majority of them do this.
Haha. Wouldn’t it be a rude awakening if they died and realized there was actually a large pantheon of gods?(I am not saying this is true) Think about that.
Also, I do agree with the idea of avoiding secularism. In fact I think that everyone should just believe what they want to believe and leave everyone else out of it. As for the notion of Islam being the mortal enemy of the church, this can be true in some cases, with certain churches. But that does not make it right in any way. True, recently people have been zeroing in on Muslim Terrorists, and terrorism in the mainly Middle Eastern countries. Obviously due to 9/11. It has nothing to do with the religion at all. If anything it is a racial issue. No, I am not insulting the race. But sadly, it just so happens that we are focusing mainly on the terrorists that come from the Middle East. We need to realize that terrorism is not related to the religion, but to the people that create the terror. Anyone who blames terrorism on Islam is ignorant and obviously doesn’t understand their religion nor any others, and has no place in even discussing it.

 

[wina]

I don’t think there is another in this forum except two of us. BTW, I am in the same condition as you, not a true Indonesia. BTW, there is no true Indonesian anyway, except the decendent of the Phytecanthropus Erectus, found in Sangiran/Mojokerto.

Hi Swariffin, How do I can send msg to you directly?? because it’s not fair if I reply in this thread.

 

[R_not]

Ah, yes. You see this is the good thing about being Catholic. You get to shuve your religion down everyone else’s throat and yet be the most hypocritical person in the world. Catholics by nature are full of themselves. No matter how much they may pretend to care about other religions, they still have only one goal. Making sure everyone knows and accepts them as the one and only. Am I generalizing yes, which I shouldn’t be doing because of course, there are Catholics that don’t pound their religion down everyone’s throats, but overall the majority of them do this.
Haha. Wouldn’t it be a rude awakening if they died and realized there was actually a large pantheon of gods?(I am not saying this is true) Think about that.
Also, I do agree with the idea of avoiding secularism. In fact I think that everyone should just believe what they want to believe and leave everyone else out of it. As for the notion of Islam being the mortal enemy of the church, this can be true in some cases, with certain churches. But that does not make it right in any way. True, recently people have been zeroing in on Muslim Terrorists, and terrorism in the mainly Middle Eastern countries. Obviously due to 9/11. It has nothing to do with the religion at all. If anything it is a racial issue. No, I am not insulting the race. But sadly, it just so happens that we are focusing mainly on the terrorists that come from the Middle East. We need to realize that terrorism is not related to the religion, but to the people that create the terror. Anyone who blames terrorism on Islam is ignorant and obviously doesn’t understand their religion nor any others, and has no place in even discussing it.

No one here is shoving Catholicism down your throat. I live in the outside world too and I don’t hear anyone doing that to me since I don’t tell anyone I am a Catholic at work, or among others. I have no idea what you are talking about.

As for understanding islam - islam and terrorism is indeed closely ties since mohammed commanded all muslims to wage jihad.

The so called ‘moderate’ ones do by deception which is fully sanctioned in the koran.

answering-islam.org/Index/L/lying.html
a quote from the above website:
The common Moslem belief is that it is allowable to tell a falsehood on four occasions:
1st, to save one’s life;
2nd, to effect a peace or reconciliation;
3rd, to persuade a woman;
4th, on the occasion of a journey or expedition.

check this one out of all the terror attacks since 9/11, and it only goes up to Nov 2007:
sheikyermami.com/2007/11/15/ten-thousand-reported-islamic-jihad-terror-attacks-since-911/

bible.ca/islam/islam-kills.htm

AND what every christian should know about islam - below
bible.ca/islam/islam-encyclopedia-westerners-need-to-know-list.htm

I could go on with this but maybe you should check out what is happening in europe, or how about Africa, or how about Southeast Asia - a lot of terrorist activity is going on there too. And our own police and media have covered up acts of terrorism since 9/11 - we don’t want to OFFEND the muslims.

From 2001-2003
thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2001-2003.htm
From 2004
thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2004.htm
From 2005
thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2005.htm
From 2006
thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2006.htm
From 2007
thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2007.htm
2008 isn’t finished yet.

Take notice they didn’t even mention all the riots, rapings, foiled terrorist attacks in Europe and the UK, or the USA for that matter. Most are looked upon as civil offenses. and in muslim countries - they are not even offenses so unless we look at them and/or withhold money - they don’t do anything.

 

[R_not]

Here is something I just found and it has not only an introduction as to islam and terrorism, but a year by year outline of terrorist activities since 1960. Of course it goes back to mohammed’s time, but this is more current and should strike home to us that what we think of muslim terrorism as a recent thing - it has been going on for some time.

Islamic terrorism timeline since 1960
prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_Introduction.Islam

 

[swariffin]

Hi Swariffin, How do I can send msg to you directly?? because it’s not fair if I reply in this thread.

You are correct, It is improper to have out of the forum discussion. You can PM me or I will PM you. For others, I am sorry for borrowing this thread for my conversation.

 

[planten]

Making sure that they know we don’t fall for their false stories is not hating or fighting other people. We talk, we discuss - and worldwide muslims are slaughtering our non-muslims brothers and sisters and the so called ‘moderates’ only worry about their image and tell us falsehoods.

If, in your mind, we cannot call them on falsehoods - I suppose we should just lay down and offer our necks to them?! Because that is basically what you are writing. don’t tell them they are wrong - or it means we hate them. Don’t tell them anything that might offend them - because that means we hate them. Well, we should be offending them - they are on a jihad which also applies to the so called ‘moderates’ in that they tell us whatever we want to hear and in the meantime supporting their violent jihadists worldwide. Because when we call them on that - we are offending them. Oh and heaven forbid that we offend them and tarnish their image.

what image?! Lies, deceit and double talk while non-muslims die at their jihadist’s hands.

And I also want to add that they insist on segregation in many places - and why do they do that? Because those masses of ‘moderates’ look at us as being dirty, less than pigs and feces.

**Your post is self explanatory. You should learn and obey Jesus. The lesson is “Love thy enemy” So, please do it practically and offer your other cheek. Do not make a new formula unless you say that Jesus was wrong in his policy of all love.

About segregeation policy of Muslims, it may be necessary for the God fearing people. Because they see so much booze and gambling and sex amongst the people in the christian countries. So they have to protect themselves from all that evil in the christian filled society. There is no harm if they keep away from your beloved places, from rooms full of smoke and liquar (wine) and open sex.

The christians do not have any law and nobody is a practicing christian. Their places show that there is no christianity and nothing for Jesus there. We wish that the christians reform their people and then we will love to be close to them in all functions. Not until then.

I lit a few candles in the church of “Our Lady”= “Notre Dame” in Paris.** That was in remembrance of my love for the good lady. What else I can do?