Anyone notice the irony here: Catholics criticising Muslims and Islam on this forum

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R_not,islam=violence=islam.i always agree with you.but i made a mistake.i wrote’who WONT to stay with islam’but it will be 'who WANT to stay with islam.hope you guess now.i hate islam always.i was also muslim you know that.but i become a christian.i know how violent islam is!i hate islam,the beasty heresy just like hell.who knows maybe i hate islam more than hell fire.i am the worshiper of jesus.&I belive that islam is a satanic religion.
 
R_not,islam=violence=islam.i always agree with you.but i made a mistake.i wrote’who WONT to stay with islam’but it will be 'who WANT to stay with islam.hope you guess now.i hate islam always.i was also muslim you know that.but i become a christian.i know how violent islam is!i hate islam,the beasty heresy just like hell.who knows maybe i hate islam more than hell fire.i am the worshiper of jesus.&I belive that islam is a satanic religion.
morningstar, I understand. I think you are great and with practice your English will get better. I applaud you!! 👍 There are so many here in the USA already who don’t even try to learn the language of the land. If I moved to their country - they would expect me to know their language so the hypocracy of some already over here is very apparent. And you who are trying to leave a muslim hades hole to get to freedom - you don’t have to apologize to anyone!

I wish that the American born muslim and muslim appeaser would wake up and see that the most fervent ones against islam are the ones who used to be muslims. And that doesn’t apply to ex-Christians, or ex-Jews, or ex-anything else because those did not have their freedoms taken away or threatened with death to themselves.

Some koran verses for anyone who doesn’t know about islam, or is more unfamiliar with it, to back up what you face by rejecting islam:
  • Punishing for rejecting faith-> 3:91
  • Non believers go to hell-> 4:140 7:36
  • Partial Believers go to hell too-> 4:150-1
  • Sadistic punishments-> 56:42-43
  • Punishment for apostates-> 16:106 3:86-88 3:90 4:137
One can see that the ‘religion of peace’ just keeps on giving us examples of it NOT being so peaceful!

Anyway, as always - I think of you often and pray for you always!
 
thanks my friends R_not.always pray for me.ya i don’t care the world.i just believe jesus is my only lord.and i also know those verses of islamic scripture.i will give more inhuman verses from quran and hadith.just i need some time.thanks
 
very good logic mr.dante but a problem.hindus also believe 3 chief god.brahma,vishnu,shiva.they also worship many gods.but they proved with indian philosophy that they worship only true god named param brahmn.and though gautam buddha never claim that he is god himself but buddhist belive that he is the true god.maybe not all sectors but many sectors belive that.so of course here is also some truth.but their books didn’t teach violence like quran
I can’t speak to Hindu or Buddhist beliefs, but it would seem to me that

a) the fact that only some Hindus or Buddhists believe this speaks to the lack of truth in their theology, and/or

b) those who do believe that these three gods are really one are, perhaps, closer to the truth than their brethren who don’t believe it.

Peace,
Dante
 
The worst enemies of the Church are Satan and his minions.
i am also agree with you.but satan will use a group of people.and i think satan is using a group of people properly against church and against lord jesus.and those people are not only secular but also from a so called religous group.
 
i am also agree with you.but satan will use a group of people.and i think satan is using a group of people properly against church and against lord jesus.and those people are not only secular but also from a so called religous group.
morning star, have you ever wondered if that angel that mohammed said that he saw might have been the angel called Lucifer? Since he is the prince of lies?! I was just wondering - I have thought it.

I also know that since mohammed didn’t know either Judaism or Christianity - or the bible - he just picked a name of an angel to say that he saw. But… if he did see an angel… I think it was more along the lines of one of the fallen ones since islam is basically the antithesis of what we are taught.
 
Are you christians still on about this,

What will it need me to do to convince you that the most violent, deceitful and distrustful people in history are the white christians…

Please DONT take my word for this, this is HISTORY, History testifies to this fact.

If you really need me to spell this out for you, I will…

The problem at the moment isn’t that i wish to convince you bigots of anything, you will continue with your racist views regardless, the problem is MUCH MORE deep then that…

The problem is 50 years ago you christians did the exact same thing with the Jews, the results was 6 MILLION DEAD JEWS, you people are prone to the worst bouts of evil and barbarism then any other people or group on earth… as a result of your bigotry and racism millions of innocent jews and non-whites were rounded up and slaughtered and killed.

You always need an enemy and you always legitimise your slaughter.

During the colonial period you utilised Christianity as a tool to enslave millions across the world, and you are still attempting to do so…

You either need to wake up or belt up
 
Are you christians still on about this,

What will it need me to do to convince you that the most violent, deceitful and distrustful people in history are the white christians…

Please DONT take my word for this, this is HISTORY, History testifies to this fact.

If you really need me to spell this out for you, I will…

The problem at the moment isn’t that i wish to convince you bigots of anything, you will continue with your racist views regardless, the problem is MUCH MORE deep then that…

The problem is 50 years ago you christians did the exact same thing with the Jews, the results was 6 MILLION DEAD JEWS, you people are prone to the worst bouts of evil and barbarism then any other people or group on earth… as a result of your bigotry and racism millions of innocent jews and non-whites were rounded up and slaughtered and killed.

You always need an enemy and you always legitimise your slaughter.

During the colonial period you utilised Christianity as a tool to enslave millions across the world, and you are still attempting to do so…

You either need to wake up or belt up
Actually this is not true.

Oh, by the way - it is ok to murder, torture, rape, enslave (muslims have pulled many slaves from Sudan/AFrica - and other poor nations around this world). Why we continually apologize for it - something that we do not practice anymore - the muslims still do. saudi arabia even signed an agreement in 1967 to not do that anymore - they still do (no agreement with infidels is really very important).

The persistence of slavery in islam:
jihadwatch.org/archives/017455.php

and this writeup is very good - I would save it if I were everyone since muslims get things censored from the web quite often.
answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm

as for the Nazis you are talking about a movement that also killed many Christians. The Jews were not the only ones getting gassed. and the muslims helped them. In fact,the tie between the muslims and the nazis was very strong. and this goes on not only to this very day - but in the MSA (muslim Student Association that has infiltrated our own Universities).

As revealed in documents seized by the FBI and entered as evidence in a Texas court, the Muslim Students Association is a legacy project of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Brotherhood is an organization formed by a Hitler-admiring Muslim named Hasan al-Bannain Egypt in 1928. It was designed to function as the spearpoint of the Islamo-fascist movement and its crusade against the West.

The Brotherhood spawned al-Qaeda and Hamas. Its doctrines make up the core of the terrorist jihad conducted by organizations such as Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Hamas and the government of Iran. Its agendas have been clear since its creation: infiltration, subversion and global terror with world conquest as the goal.

discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6386

And as for the comment, ‘Are you christians still on about this’ - why are you muslims still wanting to either kill, convert or subjugate us?! Don’t worry - you don’t have to answer because I have read your koran and hadiths and know that all muslims are directed to do jihad and deceive us any way they can to deflect this fact. Most of us don’t want your ‘religion’ and because of that is why islam is ‘spread by the sword’ because they have to force it on people.

What muslims are doing worldwide around this globe shows us that with 1400 years of violence started by mohammed himself - it still hasn’t stopped and not slowing down.
 
Oh, by the way - islam is not a race so there is nothing racist about wanting to know about those who want us either dead, converted or subjugated.

islam is indeed along the lines of nazism and communism. It is a regime that indicates that if you are not with us you are against us - which is what fascisms are about. In islam there are two realms - dar al harb and dar al islam and if muslims are in dar al harb (the realm of war which is any land not under sharia law) then muslims are technically in a war against the infidels. If we are not paying the jizya tax then we are not subjugated.

In fact one tactic muslims use to intimidate us is to accuse us of racism (and as I said in the previous post - islam is not a race) or islamophobia, or some such nonsense.

islam-watch.org/Others/Muslim-Responses-to-Unpleasant-Islamic-Facts.htm

It is the usual muslim claims of victimhood and whining and wailing of oppression, etc. It is hooey.
 
Wow, you produce deceitfully discriminatory sites and articles from anti-muslim websites to prove your bigot point…

What next will you provide links to KKK websites and Nazi websites to prove to us all that jews are evil and Black people are below white people…

Nothing about you is good…

EVEN in the last 50 years deaths from so called terrorism is NOTHING compared to what even the USA has done in terms of slaughter.

Vietnam for example, 300,000 innocent Vietnamese DEAD because of christians, you went to such a low state that you dropped agent orange on CHILDREN AND WOMEN AND CIVILLIANS.

The christians killed more innocent people in Vietnam then terrorists have done since the beginning of history…

If it was just that it would be bad enough but it isnt.

You are deeply immoral, you have supported dictators across the world, you have been involved in numerous massacres and genocides.

**Crusades massive christian murder and slaughter.

WW1- christians butering millions of innocents and each other

WW2- christians killing over 6 Million jews and non-whites, millions of other people were also killed in a war you people spread across the world

Colonialism, millions enslaved, humiliated, raped, you butchered and slaughtered people across the world.

North America is the land of the NATIVE AMERICAN, who exactly are you people and why are you living there, the reason is because you committed GENOCIDE against the innocent native population

What about SOUTH AMERICA, well in de name of de holy father, YOU COMMINTED genocide against the native people there also

You did the same against the aborigines and maori’s in Australasia

Against many tribes and people in Africa and Asia and even in Europe itself…**

Even today, you were LIARS, you lied about WMD’s and waged war on iraq to remove a dictator YOU PEOPLE PUT IN PLACE, you have killed hundreds of thousands of more people…

If there ever was a people worthy of human distrust it is YOU…

Your societies are under attack, they are under attack from YOUR IMMORALITY, YOUR DECITE, YOUR PORN, YOUR LIBERALISM, YOUR ABORTION, YOUR GREED, YOUR LACK OF MORALS AND FAMILY IDEALS, YOUR SECULARISM

You will implode not because of Muslims, but because of yourselves.

How dare you attack muslims and islam when your record is so dark, black and evil
 
Catholics and the Church are bombarded with insults by the wider society, and yet many of us are more interested in criticising Islam and its followers. Many of you are saying how illogical and unbelievable Islam is, yet have nothing to say in answer to the same charges being pressed against you by atheists.

The thing is, many of you seem to be claiming to be devout Catholics. Yeah right. I hope you guys don’t expect those oh so sarcastic atheists that post here to start believing in Catholicism after reading the trash that gets posted here.

Why don’t we unite against secularism? Or is that a stupid idea? We all worship the one God after all. The CCC says so. Or is the CC wrong about that?
That is one area I will always disagree allah is not Jehovah. If I can’t be Catholic because of that so be it, I do not and never will like Islam. It is a cancer.
 

Wow, you produce deceitfully discriminatory sites and articles from anti-muslim websites to prove your bigot point…

What next will you provide links to KKK websites and Nazi websites to prove to us all that jews are evil and Black people are below white people…

Nothing about you is good…

EVEN in the last 50 years deaths from so called terrorism is NOTHING compared to what even the USA has done in terms of slaughter.

Vietnam for example, 300,000 innocent Vietnamese DEAD because of christians, you went to such a low state that you dropped agent orange on CHILDREN AND WOMEN AND CIVILLIANS.

The christians killed more innocent people in Vietnam then terrorists have done since the beginning of history…

If it was just that it would be bad enough but it isnt.

You are deeply immoral, you have supported dictators across the world, you have been involved in numerous massacres and genocides.

Crusades massive christian murder and slaughter.

WW1- christians butering millions of innocents and each other

WW2- christians killing over 6 Million jews and non-whites, millions of other people were also killed in a war you people spread across the world

Colonialism, millions enslaved, humiliated, raped, you butchered and slaughtered people across the world.

North America is the land of the NATIVE AMERICAN, who exactly are you people and why are you living there, the reason is because you committed GENOCIDE against the innocent native population

What about SOUTH AMERICA, well in de name of de holy father, YOU COMMINTED genocide against the native people there also

You did the same against the aborigines and maori’s in Australasia

Against many tribes and people in Africa and Asia and even in Europe itself…

Even today, you were LIARS, you lied about WMD’s and waged war on iraq to remove a dictator YOU PEOPLE PUT IN PLACE, you have killed hundreds of thousands of more people…

If there ever was a people worthy of human distrust it is YOU…

Your societies are under attack, they are under attack from YOUR IMMORALITY, YOUR DECITE, YOUR PORN, YOUR LIBERALISM, YOUR ABORTION, YOUR GREED, YOUR LACK OF MORALS AND FAMILY IDEALS, YOUR SECULARISM

You will implode not because of Muslims, but because of yourselves.

How dare you attack muslims and islam when your record is so dark, black and evil
 
Catholics and the Church are bombarded with insults by the wider society, and yet many of us are more interested in criticising Islam and its followers. Many of you are saying how illogical and unbelievable Islam is, yet have nothing to say in answer to the same charges being pressed against you by atheists.

The thing is, many of you seem to be claiming to be devout Catholics. Yeah right. I hope you guys don’t expect those oh so sarcastic atheists that post here to start believing in Catholicism after reading the trash that gets posted here.

Why don’t we unite against secularism? Or is that a stupid idea? We all worship the one God after all. The CCC says so. Or is the CC wrong about that?
He/she has a point. many on these forums are horriable towards other religions.
 
He/she has a point. many on these forums are horriable towards other religions.
I couldn’t agree more, I have nothing against anyone of any faith, I however love my faith (islam), and will happily debate intelligent faith people on the merits of my faith and there’s.

I have never been so incensed and been so annoyed at christians then since I began to visit this site, the ignorance and bigotry and biased posts are an insult to intelligent people. (there are of course some intelligent and fair people making very insightful comments, which is a welcome change to reading alot of the red neck hick posts)
 
Wow, you produce deceitfully discriminatory sites and articles from anti-muslim websites to prove your bigot point…

What next will you provide links to KKK websites and Nazi websites to prove to us all that jews are evil and Black people are below white people…

Nothing about you is good…

EVEN in the last 50 years deaths from so called terrorism is NOTHING compared to what even the USA has done in terms of slaughter.

Vietnam for example, 300,000 innocent Vietnamese DEAD because of christians, you went to such a low state that you dropped agent orange on CHILDREN AND WOMEN AND CIVILLIANS.

The christians killed more innocent people in Vietnam then terrorists have done since the beginning of history…

If it was just that it would be bad enough but it isnt.

You are deeply immoral, you have supported dictators across the world, you have been involved in numerous massacres and genocides.

**Crusades massive christian murder and slaughter.

WW1- christians butering millions of innocents and each other

WW2- christians killing over 6 Million jews and non-whites, millions of other people were also killed in a war you people spread across the world

Colonialism, millions enslaved, humiliated, raped, you butchered and slaughtered people across the world.

North America is the land of the NATIVE AMERICAN, who exactly are you people and why are you living there, the reason is because you committed GENOCIDE against the innocent native population

What about SOUTH AMERICA, well in de name of de holy father, YOU COMMINTED genocide against the native people there also

You did the same against the aborigines and maori’s in Australasia

Against many tribes and people in Africa and Asia and even in Europe itself…**

Even today, you were LIARS, you lied about WMD’s and waged war on iraq to remove a dictator YOU PEOPLE PUT IN PLACE, you have killed hundreds of thousands of more people…

If there ever was a people worthy of human distrust it is YOU…

Your societies are under attack, they are under attack from YOUR IMMORALITY, YOUR DECITE, YOUR PORN, YOUR LIBERALISM, YOUR ABORTION, YOUR GREED, YOUR LACK OF MORALS AND FAMILY IDEALS, YOUR SECULARISM

You will implode not because of Muslims, but because of yourselves.

How dare you attack muslims and islam when your record is so dark, black and evil
Well, since 50 years of muslim terrorism isn’t truthful either - it has been 1400 years and it is still going on.

As for using such things as Agent Orange - we don’t use that anymore due to the consequences of it on the people.

I feel Vietnam was a just war and as with all wars there were atrocities committed. But, none as gross as the aggressors who start wars - such as the muslims who are the aggressors in Africa, Eastern Europe, Southeast Asia, India, Israel, and now in Western Europe, etc.

Actually, that is not true as for the death toll of what muslims have wrought. They slaughtered hundreds of thousands in Armenia, millions in Africa, India, and who knows how many in Southeast Asia, Lebanon, Eastern Europe, etc. And the death toll has not stopped. they kill their own as we are seeing what they have done in Iraq. Our soldiers came upon households of men, women and children who were slaughtered by the jihadists.

there was no lie about WMDs - Hussein had them and al Qaeda was in Iraq. The left wing media and their quest of hating Bush more than telling the truth is getting things muddied - as muslims do to smooth over islam and to muddy the facts of what islam is all about.

Mar 24, 2008 – Al Qaeda in Iraq more extensive than previously thought

online.wsj.com/article/SB120631495290958169.html?mod=opinion_main_review_and_outlooks

Georges Sada has a book, Sadam’s Secrets, that says Hussein put WMDs in commercial flights and they went to Syria - and gee, Israel took out a nuclear plant in Syria just recently - good for them! And we found caches of them buried.

Oh for goodness sakes - you bring up the Crusades which were called after muslim hordes slaughtered innocents for 300-400 years. I know you muslims don’t consider infidels as innocents so you can not muddy the waters by your misleading statements there. And gee, the muslims are still slaughtering people worldwide!

article on % of muslim and % of violence:
frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=4DE15EF9-A76C-4DD4-81E2-75683AEED74D

Islamic terrorism timeline since 1960
prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_Introduction.Islam

And the above doesn’t even cover the incidences in the USA that have been jihad activities.

You talk about there is nothing good about me. And that is the usual banter of muslims who know that an infidel is on to them and telling others what is the real truth. Muslims quite often use ‘victimhood’ as one of their whinings to muddy the waters of facts. Well, it isn’t the muslim who is the victim since it is they who are deceiving us as to what islam is all about.

You can call me all the names you want, in fact your behavior is amusing me.

You bring up the usual mantras that many bring up to try to deflect the real issue - islam is a violent idiology whose founder was violent - whose founder was a rapist, enslaver, thief, liar, torturer, and a murderer. And that is what he told his followers to be and do.
 
I couldn’t agree more, I have nothing against anyone of any faith, I however love my faith (islam), and will happily debate intelligent faith people on the merits of my faith and there’s.

I have never been so incensed and been so annoyed at christians then since I began to visit this site, the ignorance and bigotry and biased posts are an insult to intelligent people. (there are of course some intelligent and fair people making very insightful comments, which is a welcome change to reading alot of the red neck hick posts)
That means that others are posting what muslims want to hear vs the truth of what islam is about.
 
Do you know what is really funny,

In Europe, Christianity is dwindling, not because of muslims, but because of you people not going to Church, not touching a bible, embracing the pursuit of money and greed…

Islam is spreading not because we actively seek converts but because Muslims believe in the One true God, and our example is what makes thousands of people want to embrace islam…

AND IT BURNS YOU UP DOSENT IT, the yard stick I use to measure the spread of islam, is the hate speech from U.S bible nuts, your insecurity is your problem NOT US…

P.S

You dropped Agent Orange on innocent people because your evil,
Your soldiers raped vietnamese girls because yor evil,

You christians killed 6 millions jews because your evil, You colonised and humiliated and committed genocide against millions of innocent native populations because your evil…

You, your polytheism, your godlessness are an abomination…

Listening to your accusations, is like listening to Satan telling humanity that were all bad

In your heart, you KNOW that your the bad guys, that your the evil ones…
 
Do you know what is really funny,

In Europe, Christianity is dwindling, not because of muslims, but because of you people not going to Church, not touching a bible, embracing the pursuit of money and greed…

Islam is spreading not because we actively seek converts but because Muslims believe in the One true God, and our example is what makes thousands of people want to embrace islam…

AND IT BURNS YOU UP DOSENT IT, the yard stick I use to measure the spread of islam, is the hate speech from U.S bible nuts, your insecurity is your problem NOT US…

P.S

You dropped Agent Orange on innocent people because your evil,
Your soldiers raped vietnamese girls because yor evil,

You christians killed 6 millions jews because your evil, You colonised and humiliated and committed genocide against millions of innocent native populations because your evil…

You, your polytheism, your godlessness are an abomination…

Listening to your accusations, is like listening to Satan telling humanity that were all bad

In your heart, you KNOW that your the bad guys, that your the evil ones…
Here is the difference between our soldiers and your jihadists who use rape as just one aspect of jihad to terrorize and intimidate.

We take our soldiers who do such things and remove them from the battle field and give them a court martial. This is a huge difference and one that should be noted - here is some examples of what is preached to muslims:

islam-watch.org/AyeshaAhmed/London-Imam-Attempt-to-Carry-Out-Sunna.htm

faithfreedom.org/Articles/quran_teaches.htm

Torment to Non-believers-> 4:56
Only Islam Acceptable-> 3:85
No friends from outsiders-> 3:118
No friends with Jews, Christians-> 5:51
No friends with non believers->4:114 3:28
No friends with parents/siblings if not believers-> 9:23
Fight non-believers-> 9:123
Kill non-believers-> 4:89
Anti Jew verses-> 5:82
Cast terror in the hearts, smite the neck and cut fingertips of unbelievers-> 8:12
smite the neck of unbelievers->47:4
Severe Punishment for atheists-> 10:4 5:10 5:86
Severe Punishment for non-believers-> 22:19-22 72:23 98:6
Punishing non-believers of Hereafter-> 17:10
Punishing for rejecting faith-> 3:91
Non believers go to hell-> 4:140 7:36
Partial Believers go to hell too-> 4:150-1
Sadistic punishments-> 56:42-43
Threat of punishment for not going to war-> 9:38-39 48:16

The above is just from the koran - there are loads more in the hadiths and other readings for muslims. And one difference between islam and the stuff that muslims say is in the Bible that is not so nice - we are not commanded to practice it. Christ stopped a stoning and mohammed sanction them and his followers practice it to this very day.

and to tie up this session of proving your ‘religion’ is very violent, tell me the difference between your prophet and osama bin laden
:
  1. “I was ordered to fight all men until they say ‘There is no god but Allah.’” prophet Mohammad’s farewell address, March 632
  2. “I was ordered to fight the people until they say there is no god but Allah, and his prophet Mohammed.”
Osama bin Laden, Nov 2001

I know the web sites are wasted on you, but I hope others who don’t know about islam will read them. that is why I post them.

islam gives so much as to why it is not peaceful, why it has no connection to Judaism and Christianity, and why it should be not tolerated and even rated as a religion. There is nothing of it to raise the human soul above the basest of animal instincts. In fact, its heaven is based on carnal lust for those who die killing infidels. And it uses their own women as things for the jihadist to abuse in this so called heaven.
 
As for Christianity dwindling - I would say that the ones who are gnashing their teeth are the muslims. Look at their behavior when he baptized a muslim. Some of the most active people trying to tell others of the evil of islam are ex-muslims themselves, or those who lived as dhimmi (subjugated ones) under muslims.

good news - lots of converts to Christianity from islam: billmuehlenberg.com/2008/04/05/islam-and-christianity-looking-at-the-numbers/

Quite often muslims will inflate their numbers, or deflate them, whatever serves their purpose. It is all a part of the deception that the koran tells them to do to us infidels.

There are also quite a number of them who turn from all religions and become atheists, such as Aayan Hirsi Ali. I don’t blame her - she went through a lot and now has to have 24 hour guards around her due to muslim threats. Fatwas are issued against her and people like her - who leave islam. Theo Van Gogh was killed by muslims. they both put out a movie about how islam treats women - and they pay a price for that as is Geert Wilders.

I notice how muslims will riot, kill and destroy when their image is cleared up for us and do absolutely nothing over the carnage that their fellow muslims do.
 
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