Anyone notice the irony here: Catholics criticising Muslims and Islam on this forum

[R_not]

He who twisted the law of God, made such law according to his own taste, and make others believe that it was from God, would be responsible for what he had done, and face the wrath of God in his grave. The result of his works will be shown in the face of the world, so the world will see the fruit of whatever he had done. It will be God himself who will condemn him, for there is no one in this world is worthy to replace God to become His executioneer. God is so powerful that He needs no one to help him delivering his judgements.

That sounds nice and what they have done to so many others is to kill, intimidate, torture and eventually subjugate those who don’t convert, if they are left alive. I do not wish my descendents to be condemned like so many others have been condemned to islam. And when they do not have access to the bible, or to know Christ, they will not be able to say such things as you say and instead they will sound like the muslims on these threads.

There are consequences to any action and words so I will continue to do what I can to make sure islam is put into its place here in the USA - and since we have the internet - where I blog here and on other sites will reach others in other countries so they will not just lay down and appease the muslims in their countries.

I am going to say again - read the post I suggest and realize how many died in order that these countries become islamicized. Also realize that when the immigration first starts - it is ALWAYS under the guise of peacefulness and it always ends up the same way.

article on % of muslim and % of violence:
frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=4DE15EF9-A76C-4DD4-81E2-75683AEED74D

 

[swariffin]

Do you know what is really funny,

In Europe, Christianity is dwindling, not because of muslims, but because of you people not going to Church, not touching a bible, embracing the pursuit of money and greed…

Islam is spreading not because we actively seek converts but because Muslims believe in the One true God, and our example is what makes thousands of people want to embrace islam…

AND IT BURNS YOU UP DOSENT IT, the yard stick I use to measure the spread of islam, is the hate speech from U.S bible nuts, your insecurity is your problem NOT US…

P.S

You dropped Agent Orange on innocent people because your evil,
Your soldiers raped vietnamese girls because yor evil,

You christians killed 6 millions jews because your evil, You colonised and humiliated and committed genocide against millions of innocent native populations because your evil…

You, your polytheism, your godlessness are an abomination…

Listening to your accusations, is like listening to Satan telling humanity that were all bad

In your heart, you KNOW that your the bad guys, that your the evil ones…

Is it a problem of Christianity??? Jesus NEVER FORCE people to follow Him. You see the peaceful Christianity. No one will force you to read the bible or go to church. The one who drove away those Christian away from the Church is the devil itself. Any party who help the Christian away from the Church is the part of the devil itself. Anybody remains with the Church are the one OUT OF HIS/HER OWN FREEWILL chose to be Christians.

BTW, why are you so proud that many Europeans visiting the Church less and less. Do you think they will become Muslims? To become atheist of agnostics, may be. To become Muslims?? You better find it out yourself. Make sure your muslim growth in number not based on birth rate. You will lose that number once they convert in their adulthood.

 

[swariffin]

That sounds nice and what they have done to so many others is to kill, intimidate, torture and eventually subjugate those who don’t convert, if they are left alive. I do not wish my descendents to be condemned like so many others have been condemned to islam. And when they do not have access to the bible, or to know Christ, they will not be able to say such things as you say and instead they will sound like the muslims on these threads.

There are consequences to any action and words so I will continue to do what I can to make sure islam is put into its place here in the USA - and since we have the internet - where I blog here and on other sites will reach others in other countries so they will not just lay down and appease the muslims in their countries.

I am going to say again - read the post I suggest and realize how many died in order that these countries become islamicized. Also realize that when the immigration first starts - it is ALWAYS under the guise of peacefulness and it always ends up the same way.

article on % of muslim and % of violence:
frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=4DE15EF9-A76C-4DD4-81E2-75683AEED74D

Well, R_not. Remember that Rayaan invited us to have an intelligent debate. Let me ask you a question. Who is more intelligent? The one who keep throwing in sarcastic words? Do you ever see intelligent person “fights” with sarcastic words? Perhaps we need to learn from InJesus. You see how he handle them by giving questions that they can not answer (there will not be any answer though because the mistake is there in their Quran).

Replying with sarcastic words sounds like a desperation to me. Who knows that Rayaan style is out of desperation to us. All we have to do, just link to InJesus’ questions and let Rayaan answer to each of them. Planten could not answer, perhaps Rayaan is more capable and will give a satisfactory answer. Open a new thread if necessary and invite Rayaan to participate. It will be interesting for me to join too.

Keep in mind that intelligent people argue with facts and logic, while un-intelligent people argue with emotion and baseless accusations. Remember also that Our Religion is based on Hope, while Rayaan religion is based on Fear.

 

[R_not]

Well, R_not. Remember that Rayaan invited us to have an intelligent debate. Let me ask you a question. Who is more intelligent? The one who keep throwing in sarcastic words? Do you ever see intelligent person “fights” with sarcastic words? Perhaps we need to learn from InJesus. You see how he handle them by giving questions that they can not answer (there will not be any answer though because the mistake is there in their Quran).

Replying with sarcastic words sounds like a desperation to me. Who knows that Rayaan style is out of desperation to us. All we have to do, just link to InJesus’ questions and let Rayaan answer to each of them. Planten could not answer, perhaps Rayaan is more capable and will give a satisfactory answer. Open a new thread if necessary and invite Rayaan to participate. It will be interesting for me to join too.

Keep in mind that intelligent people argue with facts and logic, while un-intelligent people argue with emotion and baseless accusations. Remember also that Our Religion is based on Hope, while Rayaan religion is based on Fear.

thanks for the words. I want to make sure that the facts are indeed known. And yes, I noticed the fear and anger in his words. It must be hard to know that one follows a guy like mohammed who isn’t such a good guy.

I don’t want us to get to the ‘I hope someone helps us…’ mantras. I hear that too often. If we don’t stop the segregation, appeasement, etc of muslims we will be saying that too. Just sitting around and hoping and doing nothing is, to me, stupid. Right now the MSA (muslim student association) is in our Universities and colleges and imprinting fairy tales about islam on our children. those children who will be the next generation of appeasers if we don’t get a handle on this. Our chapter is going to be working on emailing and contacting the Universities and informing them of what the MSA is - a direct tie to the muslim brotherhood and is directly funded by the saudi wahabbis. This is going to be an uphill battle too.

Anyway, the sort of muslims on these threads are not here for anything else other than trying to convince us how benign and peaceful islam is - the facade (false face) of islam. While they proceed on infiltrating and segregating, and making the way for sharia law. I usually say/write that when you see those coy, virginal looking muslimettes the jihadist is not far behind.

Now, are all muslims murderers and thugs? Of course not, but how can one tell when their own koran and hadiths tell them to deceive. I usually say that if they are telling me how peaceful it is and act as if they know nothing of their prophet, jihad, deception in islam, defend such things as polygamy, etc then they are practicing the deception and can be lumped in the group that are appearing to be ‘moderate’ but are instead jihadists who don’t ‘pick up the sword’ but support the jihadists (via muslim charities) and help the jihad along by deception. And they have been directed by mohammed to do just that or else they will be condemned.

 

[R_not]

Oh by the way, we are not all alike and I have my style and inJesus has his style. God did not give me the inquisitiveness that helped me to find out about all aspects of islam to just sit back and do nothing. And He gave me a style that is uniquely my own as is your style.

I back up all my facts with websites and recommendations to read the koran, hadiths and other books. If I am too direct for you then I don’t know what to tell you.

 

[Rachel_Malloy]

This is not an argument on Vietnam, but Islam.

Stay on track and maintain charity or this thread will be closed.

God bless-

Rachel

 

[Swan]

This thread is something of a religious war of words. It is, IMO, an excellent example of how religion leads to mistrust, hatred, and war. The irony being that God was suppossed to bring us together, yet man’s interpretation of God, man’s vision of God, tends to do the exact opposite. Truly tragic.

 

[Lilyflower]

Well, I agree that we stop the hatred. even Jesus taught us to love our enemy. What the important is PEACE and if we hate each other, there will be no Peace

In fact John reminds us that ‘those who love are children of God but those who do not show love, do not know God, for God is love’. 1 Jn 4:7-12

Mark goes further to report the Lords teaching: ‘If you have a grievance against anyone, forgive them so that your Father in heaven may forgive you the wrongs you have done’. Mk 11: 25

I personally have found that by praying for someone who has realy hurt me, even though that prayer may initially be through gritted teeth, eventually it gets easier and easier to pray for them and eventually God heals us so that we are able to see the offender as our brother and love him so. In the process we too are healed.

By love, everyone’s a winner!

Blessings and peace.

 

[morning_star777]

i am also not going to discuss with muslims now.because we gave lots of reference about the violent verses of quran&inhuman laws of islam.but now muslims r editing their scriptures&claiming that they are not editing.so i think all discuss ended for now.after giving prove if any body can’t see those faults of their scriptures and again&again claim that those came from god then its really laughable.i am feeling pity for muslims.

 

[morning_star777]

i want to add something in my previous post.i wont discuss about islam soon that not meant that i am leaving the field.i will just wait&see.then i will say something with more prove.but it will depend upon the next situation.as an ex muslim how can i stop argue with them?after all i am in life threat.if the peacefull muslim will know that i became christian secretly then they will cut me in piece!(its the order of islam)is it peace?maybe YES

 

[Lapell]

** Nature demands punishment for the wicked. Jesus did not get any chance to implement anything. Had he the chance, he would have implemented the law of Moses completely, i.e. tooth for tooth and eye for eye and life for life. Dear m_s777 did you see any violence in your sacred book the Bible OT?? I do not see any violence.**

Actually, punishment is brought with the hope that the culprits will amend themselves, that their souls be saved.
Of course, if one were ABSOLUTELY bad with no chance of turning away from their bad deeds and becoming truly better people, then… But are we so good at knowing when someone has reached the point where he will NEVER turn away from his bad deeds?

 

[Lapell]

Please remember that Muhammad did the right thing not to preach that Jesus was God. He did the right thing as per the previous teachings. Niether Moses preached that he was God, nor did Abraham not Jacob nor Jesus. Jesus also did not preach even for one day that he was a god. Di dhe tell any one to believe in him as God?? can you show such a thing from the present day bible?
There is nothing there. So Muhamamd did the right thing as did Abraham and Moses and all prophets. But you are unhappy with Muhammad who got revelation from the God. You can’t beat Muhammad in his excellent teachings. They are all according to nature. Ther eis nothing un-natural in Islam. Please note it.

Planten, I understand that you mean well, but you don’t read the Gospel the way we do, and you don’t seem to accept the New Testament as it is, and you are apparently trying to tell the Christians what to believe, especially in a Catholic website… What we believe we are sure it’s true, and what you believe I am sure you are sure it’s the truth. If you want to say that some, or many, of us are attacking your faith, you are free to ask them to speak in defense of your faith. You don’t have to attack our faith because of those, O. K.! Not all of us agree with those who make generalizations against all of Islam, but don’t attack what we believe if you are a man of peace like you say (for example that Jesus is God we Christians do believe it, it’s all true Christians who do so, it’s part of our faith, we believe it to be the truth and you can’t change it! O.K.?)

 

[Lapell]

**Jesus was created. He had a God to whom he prayed. So you are praying to a creature by making a god of him. Why not you please pray to the One to whom Jesus also prayed?? It is a clear mistake on your part. You pray to that One to whom Jesus prayed all the time, specially in the garden before his arrest.

I always pray to that same God to whom Jesus prayed. I do not find that wrong. But I do not pray to Jesus because he used to pray to One God and he never told any one to pray to him. Can you show in the Bible NT if Jesus told any one to pray to him?? Please tell me and show??**

You are commenting on things essential in our faith, Planten. I deliberately put a capital P here because i think you are gone beyond the line. Even if you are convinced that we are wrong, you don’t know everything about God. You would have to be God Himself. You just cannot explain the whole of what God commands us to do, can you? Or do you think you can have the full control of God? He has been puzzling to the Jews, He has been puzzling to us Christians, if He explained Himself out to you He can’t then be God. Not everything in matters of faith can be understood by humans! So be careful to venture in a province you’re not supposed to, Planten. Be very, very careful not to make your God disappointed in you! Please, take this seriously.
May God help you!

 

[Lapell]

I am sorry I could not tell you earlier, but I was unable to get access to this thread this morning and this afternoon (now it’s 7:15 p.m.) even though I received a post announcing somebody said something on this thread.I was able to reach here just this past hour…

 

[Katzzzz]

I also find it ironic (the initial theme) that such a post comes from the UK, where the “K” stood for “kingdom”, as in the sun never sets on the British Empire. Perhaps the anger is because the British no longer have the power to oppress and murder like they used to be able to. If there has ever been a clearer case of psychological projection on these forums, I have yet to see it.

Is there anything you aren’t angry at? No, never mind! I’m really not interested in your ranting. Seek help! I shall not respond to your rambling any further.

 

[Lapell]

O.K., Peace/Shalom/Salaam to all of you now. I’m done for today and will resume tomorrow if there are post announcements showing in my website.
God bless you all!

 

[swariffin]

Please remember that Muhammad did the right thing not to preach that Jesus was God. He did the right thing as per the previous teachings. Niether Moses preached that he was God, nor did Abraham not Jacob nor Jesus. Jesus also did not preach even for one day that he was a god. Di dhe tell any one to believe in him as God?? can you show such a thing from the present day bible?
There is nothing there. So Muhamamd did the right thing as did Abraham and Moses and all prophets. But you are unhappy with Muhammad who got revelation from the God. You can’t beat Muhammad in his excellent teachings. They are all according to nature. Ther eis nothing un-natural in Islam. Please note it.

Dear Planten,

Jesus tells us that He is the ONLY WAY to God (John 14:6). No one can come to God without Jesus. Jesus is also the Words of God. Off course you are correct that NO ONE including Mohammad and Moses ever have the same claim as Jesus, because they are much less than Jesus, and still need to be saved.

You are still praying for Muhammad, so that God will reward him, correct? If I can’t get the verse in Quran, I can ask my brothers Sam and/or Morningstar to help me. If it is true, then tell me why? You are not sure that Muhammad has been rewarded?

We don’t pray for Jesus, but we pray to Jesus, because Jesus is the Words of God, With God, and is God.

You are correct that we can’t beat your “Good” teaching of Muhammad. You see, Jesus never teach us to KILL the Unbeliever, never teach us to LIE in whatever condition (because the devil is the father of all lies), never teach us to SUBDUED other human by imposing funny tax system, never teach us BEAT our wife, and… (shall I proceed?, I better let others fill in the blank for me).

You are really really correct, Planten. In the killing business, Muhammad is number one. No one can beat Muhammad, and I agree with you in this case. Muhammad did not preach that Jesus is God, because of the last two paragraph of this posting. If Muhammad preach that Jesus is God, then he must follow Jesus’ teaching, otherwise he could never declare himself as prophet. The problem that we see that Muhammad’s teaching is completely the opposite of Jesus’ teaching. So, no wonder that Muhammad did not and could not preach that Jesus is God. I personally happy that Muhammad did not preach much about Jesus because his teaching is contradictory to what Jesus’ teaching.

Good posting Planten, you admit yourself that Muhammad is number one and no one can beat him in his kind of teaching.

 

[morning_star777]

dear brother swariffin,i agree with ur post.actually you know when muhamed met the nestorian(heretic) priest bahira then bahira addressed that he(M) wil be the prophet of god.later this story make the way easy for muhamed to claim himself as a prophet.but is a nestorian a christian?never.so who knows maybe it was the conspiracy,between BAHIRA&MUHAMED.actually a heretic man can be a good fellow to another heretic man..

 

[c659smith]

dear brother swariffin,i agree with ur post.actually you know when muhamed met the nestorian(heretic) priest bahira then bahira addressed that he(M) wil be the prophet of god.later this story make the way easy for muhamed to claim himself as a prophet.but is a nestoria a christian?never(u know better).so who knows maybe it was the conspiracy(its just my imagine)between BAHIRA&MUHAMED.actually a heretic man can support another heretic man.

Why do you not capitalize the “G” in God

 

[morning_star777]

before Badr war,muhammed went to loot the pagan leader abu sufian’s cravan.then pagan came to protest&then the battle strated.so who is the attacker?pagans or muhammed?if robbers want to loot their property should not they protest those robbers?so muhamed went to loot pagan’s caravan then pagan protested.it proves that muhamed’s will was not very good.actually killing was the hobby of muhamed,later he proved it with his works.