Anyone notice the irony here: Catholics criticising Muslims and Islam on this forum

[R_not]

Definition of Muslim, man who submit to 1 true God,
All monotheistic Muslim then.
So they there at crucification.
some Christians muslim hey.
and if Christain mean believe in Jesus (PBWH) muslims must be christians hey.
Before stating this in room of people read (a)

Tv definition of Mulsim man who drive car full of explosive. only recent times.

(a) Your definition of Muslim different to everyone as is mine. We hold definition of words from experience.

Blessings to you and yours

The TV is only showing what muslim men do - or that the muslim men, and some women and boys, use their suicide belts too.

yeah, I notice that a lot of muslims have different definitions of words. Peace, peace treaty, innocent and victims are only a few.

muslim’s definition:
peace - death to infidels, conversion of infidels to islam, or subjugation of infidels if they are ‘of the book’

peace treaty - not to be more than 10 years and must be broken when the muslims are rearmed/regrouped.

innocent - only muslims are innocent.

victims - only muslims are victims if infidels retaliate after muslims do allah’s work on them such as rape, torture and/or killing them.

 

[Steven_John]

The TV is only showing what muslim men do - or that the muslim men, and some women and boys, use their suicide belts too.

yeah, I notice that a lot of muslims have different definitions of words. Peace, peace treaty, innocent and victims are only a few.

muslim’s definition:
peace - death to infidels, conversion of infidels to islam, or subjugation of infidels if they are ‘of the book’

peace treaty - not to be more than 10 years and must be broken when the muslims are rearmed/regrouped.

innocent - only muslims are innocent.

victims - only muslims are victims if infidels retaliate after muslims do allah’s work on them such as rape, torture and/or killing them.

I think you echoed my point, may God bless you for your support.
but TV never show any good from muslim,
where i live muslim not condone and speak against the evil you speak of.

 

[planten]

The TV is only showing what muslim men do - or that the muslim men, and some women and boys, use their suicide belts too.

yeah, I notice that a lot of muslims have different definitions of words. Peace, peace treaty, innocent and victims are only a few.

muslim’s definition:
peace - death to infidels, conversion of infidels to islam, or subjugation of infidels if they are ‘of the book’

peace treaty - not to be more than 10 years and must be broken when the muslims are rearmed/regrouped.

innocent - only muslims are innocent.

victims - only muslims are victims if infidels retaliate after muslims do allah’s work on them such as rape, torture and/or killing them.

** Not true. These are supposed definitions only. I may even say “Accusations”. Any one can check up.**

 

[morning_star777]

where i live muslim not condone and speak against the evil you speak of.

you are australian correct?i guess population of ur country is little higher than 20 million.so how many muslims live there?i agree with 1 point that islam didn’t teach rape.except rape many bad things islam taught.like violence,killing,hate other ppl,polygamy(in my view point polygamy is fornication)and many bad& contradictory things.

 

[morning_star777]

** Not true. These are supposed definitions only. I may even say “Accusations”. Any one can check up.**

what is not true?everything is true.i agree with just 1 point that islam didn’t teach rape(though many muslims rape non muslim girls&they think its very good,but i agree that islam didn’t teach rape.).but except rape all blame against islam are true.

 

[Steven_John]

you are australian correct?i guess population of ur country is little higher than 20 million.so how many muslims live there?i agree with 1 point that islam didn’t teach rape.except rape many bad things islam taught.like violence,killing,hate other ppl,polygamy(in my view point polygamy is fornication)and many bad& contradictory things.

Peace and blessings to you,
yes you are very correct Oz is very small in the scale of muslims.
Where i live it is tiny.
I dont profess to say i speak of all muslims.

I can only testify to what is see.

I listen to your posts and experience. and of (sam)

from the muslims i have met from other places that visit a few i have come to disagree with and while i try to stay respectful, speak against what they say.

The local muslims are very pleasent peaceful people but i dont know what is in their hearts.

I can only ever go by what is revealed to me.

I forever chalange local muslims to share quran with me, i dont think many read it and pray about it.

I see contradiction every where, in the Catholics i pray with too.
and it is in me.

it is only by listening and sharing God can help me.

May God bless you and yours so you be rightly guided.

 

[Steven_John]

i tey hard to find image of Jesus (pbwh) in all people, try to help the see it and build on it, if we build on good it will remove the bad.

For none of us is good only God.

 

[morning_star777]

mr. s.john,i guess u r a good person.but about muslims?maybe those muslims live in ur area they r good(i always told that less than 5% muslims r good maybe).but pls don’t judge all muslims like them.if u will come to my so called moderate muslim country bangladesh(no need to go to saudi arabia,they r extrem violent)&criticise islam.truely speaking either pple will cut u or they will beat u badly.thanks.then you will guess how peaceful they r.

 

[wina]

i tey hard to find image of Jesus (pbwh) in all people, try to help the see it and build on it, if we build on good it will remove the bad.

For none of us is good only God.

Well Brother Steven, I agree with you. God knows all the weaknesses of human and HE understands them very much. So, the most important for us as human is building our spirituality to be more and more become image of Jesus in our lives with our daily actions.
Peace and God bless

 

[planten]

what is not true?everything is true.i agree with just 1 point that islam didn’t teach rape(though many muslims rape non muslim girls&they think its very good,but i agree that islam didn’t teach rape.).but except rape all blame against islam are true.

**Everything there was not true. The Muslims may be bad. But not Islam. Similarly, the christians in Paris and other places doing maximum illicit sex, and they are drinking / smoking away and even maximum gambling, all done by the christians in the christian dominated countries. So, please would you put all that trash in the pocket of Jesus or the bible? Just think what you are believeing.

If all things done bad by the muslims go to the bad name of Islam then all the bad deeds being done by the present day christians should go in the teachings of Jesus and bible. So you better come back to Islam quickly**.

 

[morning_star777]

dear planten,christian are not the killer.even seculars also opponent of christianity but they are not going to kill ppl like muslims(but quran taught killing)and i am an adult person.so i took christ as my god after many thinking.so i will never ever back to islam.because i know the only way is christ.but thanks for ur invitation.so can i also invite you?pls be a christian my dear fellow mr.planten because christ is the only true lord.

 

[morning_star777]

dear planten,if christian are doing illicit sex or other odd things then i can inform you that bible didn’t teach that.so any1 can’t blame christianity.but we showed many verses of quran that teach violence,killing or hate non muslims.so we can blame islam.need more prove?i think no prove will be enough for you because you always edit quran.so if we will show more verses of quran then you will edit those verses also.thanks

 

[R_not]

**Everything there was not true. The Muslims may be bad. But not Islam. Similarly, the christians in Paris and other places doing maximum illicit sex, and they are drinking / smoking away and even maximum gambling, all done by the christians in the christian dominated countries. So, please would you put all that trash in the pocket of Jesus or the bible? Just think what you are believeing.

If all things done bad by the muslims go to the bad name of Islam then all the bad deeds being done by the present day christians should go in the teachings of Jesus and bible. So you better come back to Islam quickly**.

yes, there are bad and good people who happen to be muslims. The thing is that in muslim countries there are no laws to hold muslims accountable when they rape, enslave, steal from, torture and murder infidels.

Then they migrate to other countries and work on subjugating the host population and making sharia law the law of the land which makes the host population either dead or subjugated if they don’t convert.

And we are seeing that the percentage of muslims that have migrated to one’s country actually has an increase of muslim on non-muslim violence.
article on % of muslims and % of violence:
frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=4DE15EF9-A76C-4DD4-81E2-75683AEED74D

Since the koran, which islam is based on, teaches them that it is ok to do such things to infidels, then I would say that the source of the problem is indeed islam.

As for the sins of Christians, or any others, it is not for muslims to kill or subjugate them because they sin.

And here is the kicker - muslims do those things also. They have illicit sex and such - what they call it is, slavery. that is indeed sanctioned in the koran and it is alive and well in islam.

 

[Booklover]

Everything there was not true. The Muslims may be bad. But not Islam. Similarly, the christians in Paris and other places doing maximum illicit sex, and they are drinking / smoking away and even maximum gambling, all done by the christians in the christian dominated countries. So, please would you put all that trash in the pocket of Jesus or the bible? Just think what you are believeing.

If all things done bad by the muslims go to the bad name of Islam then all the bad deeds being done by the present day christians should go in the teachings of Jesus and bible. So you better come back to Islam quickly.

And why are those Muslims “bad”, if not because of the teachings of Islam and the hate that is preached against non-Muslims at the mosques? It’s the fruit of Islam that is rotten. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to see that. Just a cursory reading of the Quran shows that it classifies as hate literature, not to mention how it also discloses the vile and immoral life Muhammad led, and therefore should be banned from every civilized country!

Vickie

 

[Booklover]

dear planten,if christian are doing illicit sex or other odd things then i can inform you that bible didn’t teach that.so any1 can’t blame christianity.but we showed many verses of quran that teach violence,killing or hate non muslims.so we can blame islam.need more prove?i think no prove will be enough for you because you always edit quran.so if we will show more verses of quran then you will edit those verses also.thanks

Here you go, Planten, Morning Star is proving just what I just posted! Ask any ex-Muslim, and they’ll say the same!

Iranian ex-Muslim Ali Sina:

“Faith Freedom International is a grassroots movement of those who asked prohibited questions and on that account lost their faith. We came to see that Islam is a hoax, an imperialistic ideology, disguised as religion, invented by a narcissist for his own personal gains. We found out that Muhammad was a conman, a ventriloquist who projected his own words into his imaginary dummy deity to fool the gullible. With a promise of a carnal and orgiastic paradise (just for men) and threat of hell he goaded his foolhardy followers to raid and slay innocent people under pretext that they were infidels. He and his merry band of terrorists looted villages and cities, raped the women, and enslaved all who were not killed outright. To this day, Muslim jihadis are following the footsteps of their prophet who bragged, “I have been made victorious with terror” . No other cause is responsible for more deaths than Islam. Our goal is to expose this religion of terror and warn of its danger. We also want to help Muslims see the absurdity of it, end their “us” vs. “them” ethos and embrace the human race in amity. No one is their enemy; it is they who are the enemy to everyone else. We strive for the unity of mankind through the elimination of Islam, the most insidious doctrine of hate. Humanity is one. Let not charlatans like Hitler and Muhammad divide us with their big lies”

Vickie

 

[morning_star777]

dear friend booklover,its true that QURAN taught all bad things&now muslims are trying to obey the horrible scripture QURAN.but if we will give more prove then it will be useless because here our muslim fellows will edit those violence verses of QURAN.or who knows maybe our dear fellow mr.planten is trying to write a new QURAN(by editing all verses of QURAN)

 

[R_not]

dear friend booklover,its true that QURAN taught all bad things&now muslims are trying to obey the horrible scripture QURAN.but if we will give more prove then it will be useless because here our muslim fellows will edit those violence verses of QURAN.or who knows maybe our dear fellow mr.planten is trying to write a new QURAN(by editing all verses of QURAN)

In some ways I think you are right. what we are proving is that it is bad for us infidels - and basically they are ok with it all because it doesn’t affect them since they feel superior to us.

Now, there is another thing - I think we are hoping to convince muslims that it is indeed bad what they are believing in and even though it is against a group they are taught to hate - we are also showing them that their koran is not a holy book, mohammed was not a prophet but a hateful war monger, and islam is nothing but a fascist political movement that has placed its grip on so many in the guise of a ‘religion’. And that is also how it infiltrates into our lands - by its adherents claiming it is a religion and us infidels accepting that at face value.

The koran has so many problems with it being a holy book that the only way anyone could willingly be converted is either they were born into it and brainwashed, or it is for the type of person who likes feeling superior over others and has quite a few personality problems, one of them being a psychopath (since it gives them an ok to do what they do best - lie, torture and kill - just as long as they do it to infidels, and also their women just as long as they call it an ‘honor killing’).

 

[Memaw]

I dont say they dont differ, but they have much in common, the absolute basic.

One God,
Above all,
Knows all,
Sees all,
Cant be divided,
Worship no one but God,
Seek protection from satan,
Give to those in need
etc

Thats NOT enough, They only use God as an excuse to do their dirty work. How can one seek protection from satan when they are doing his work for him??? Give to who in need? only as a means to force them to become Islamic. Don’t be soo naive.

 

[planten]

dear friend booklover,its true that QURAN taught all bad things&now muslims are trying to obey the horrible scripture QURAN.but if we will give more prove then it will be useless because here our muslim fellows will edit those violence verses of QURAN.or who knows maybe our dear fellow mr.planten is trying to write a new QURAN(by editing all verses of QURAN)

**Dear M-S777, please use some logic and allow me the same things that you would like for your arguments: May I ask you that all your christians are obeying the bible when they doing extra marital sex in all cities of Europe?? They are very obedient christians and I hope they are faithful (Catholics) who are drinking and dancing and openly doing sex and gambling, allthat according to the teachings of the bible?? What a horrible teaching.!

There is no need to edit or rewrite the Quran. Just note that the word Kaafir is special for the arrogant, antagonist type of aggressive disbelievers. That is all. Then show me where the Quran teaches that any innocent person should be killed.

There is much mor epious life and cleanliness teaching in Islam than it is in christianity. In christianity, there is nothing decent, no rules, no guidance, no law, nothing natural there in the teachings of the church. How can you compare all that with the excellent teachings of the Quran !

But I haveno problem. You can have your way and I can have my way. Only it is useless to attack the others religion if the same weakness or bad thing is in the own religion. It would be better for you to look for the log in your own eyes before pointing to any straw in the our eyes. that was the teaching of Jesus. But you are doing lip service to Jesus. How can you progress spiritually ! Never !**

 

[Rayaan]

Planten, there is no point…

At the end of the day belief that there is

1-God
2-Jesus
3-some sort of 3rd entity spirit

is POLYTHESISM

They ceased to be believer in the One true God and have become polytheists, they worship the messenger not the message giver and upon Judgment day the centuries of prayers to Jesus who cannot save them will be wasted as they have forsaken God in there glorification and DEITYFICATION of Jesus

There are numerous versions of the bible and there is only one Quran, we can trust in the Quran as the untainted word of God, there problem is that they cannot trust the bible as they can pick and choose versions of the bible which support there individual/society principles so you have bible nuts picking right wing conservative versions of the bible, and liberal christians picking completely different versions which even exclude passages and change words and sentences to make it look more liberal.

Until they come back to worship of the One true God they are a lost cause and will face the fire in the end,