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St.Eric
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Not to be rude, and I say this with all charity: Robert’s personal revelations remind me a lot of Joseph Smith’s personal revelations from Jesus and his angels… 
Anyone who willfully and deliberately sins doesn't know God, just ask Ananias!
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Daniel Marsh said:
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Daniel Marsh said:
Thank you; I understand what the Church thinking is about sin. What I also understand, from God, is that there is no sin in someone who is controlled by the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit teaches a person what is right and if that person knows something is wrong and does that wrong anyway, are they not lying to the Holy Spirit? A person tells God they love Him, and the only way to love God is to hear His Word and live it.
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(1 John 1:8-10) “If we say we have no sin in us, we are deceiving ourselves and refusing to admit the truth; but if we acknowledge our sins, then God who is faithful and just will forgive our sins and purify us from everything that is wrong. To say that we have never sinned is to call God a liar and to show that his word is not in us.”
What John said is we all have sinned. He tells us that not all sin leads to death. After he explains all that once he didn’t have to keep on explaining.
(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”
(Hebrews 6: 4) “As for those people who were once brought into the light, and tasted the gift from heaven, and received a share of the Holy Spirit, and appreciated the good message of God and the powers of the world to come and yet in spite of this have fallen away it is impossible for that to be renewed a second time. They cannot be repentant if they have willfully crucified the Son of God and openly mocked Him.”
(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There will be left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the raging fire that is to burn rebels. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment. We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will repay. And again: The Lord will judge his people. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”
(Romans 6: 10 - 11) “When He died, He died, once for all, to sin, so His life now is life with God; and in that way, you too must consider yourselves to be dead to sin but alive for God in Jesus Christ.”
We know that anyone who has been begotten by God does not sin, because the begotten Son of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.” So then, brothers, there is no necessity for us to obey our unspiritual selves or to live unspiritual lives. If you do live in that way, you are doomed to die; but if by the Spirit you put an end to the misdeeds of the body you will live.”
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TheRaiders
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I don’t doubt that you are a Christian, so it is likely that this doctrine of yours won’t affect your salvation in a big way so I don’t feel a strong need to correct you. Others have given strong arguments.
I’d rather convince you of things like the beauty of the Sacraments, and their role in salvation.
Let me just say this, your theories are not new to me. I have seen them in other forms and they have always confounded me. Certain Christian sects have come up with a doctrine that “Once saved always saved.” Coupled with this doctrine of yours, it becomes realy potent for now anyone who was considered saved and sins poses a problem for their doctrines. So they say “He was never saved.”
The Church believes, and the Bible shows that Salvation is a continous process untill we die. There are many steps to take along the way. We must forgive, and seek forgiveness from the Lord Almighty. We must practice the Beatitudes, and follow the commandments. If we slip up along the way, we are to confess our sins. The sins that don’t lead to death that the Bible is talking about are still important because nothing imperfect can enter heaven. We will have to repay venial sins here or in the afterlife.
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I’d rather convince you of things like the beauty of the Sacraments, and their role in salvation.
Let me just say this, your theories are not new to me. I have seen them in other forms and they have always confounded me. Certain Christian sects have come up with a doctrine that “Once saved always saved.” Coupled with this doctrine of yours, it becomes realy potent for now anyone who was considered saved and sins poses a problem for their doctrines. So they say “He was never saved.”
The Church believes, and the Bible shows that Salvation is a continous process untill we die. There are many steps to take along the way. We must forgive, and seek forgiveness from the Lord Almighty. We must practice the Beatitudes, and follow the commandments. If we slip up along the way, we are to confess our sins. The sins that don’t lead to death that the Bible is talking about are still important because nothing imperfect can enter heaven. We will have to repay venial sins here or in the afterlife.
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Daniel_Marsh
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In James 2:26 death is defined as simply seperation of body and spirit. There is both physical death which James speaks of, and spiritual death that being seperated from God. One must read the scriptures carefully and in concert with a body of believers to gain the proper understanding of a text. It sounds like you, giver are completely off the wall and uninformed of historical understandings of scripture.
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
The scriptures speak of satan as very much being alive and active on earth.
biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=satan&qs_version=9
Clearly Moses went to heaven, otherwise why would Micheal battle the devil for his body? Jude vs 9.
Hebrews 11:24
By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be known as the son of Pharaoh’s daughter.
Also, Moses at the Transfiguration.
Moses sin as the leader kept him out of the promised land.
James 3:1
Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
The scriptures speak of satan as very much being alive and active on earth.
biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=satan&qs_version=9
Clearly Moses went to heaven, otherwise why would Micheal battle the devil for his body? Jude vs 9.
Hebrews 11:24
By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be known as the son of Pharaoh’s daughter.
Also, Moses at the Transfiguration.
Moses sin as the leader kept him out of the promised land.
James 3:1
Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.
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Romans 7
14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
Gal 5
13You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. 14The entire law is summed up in a single command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
16So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. 17For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.
19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
Gal 5
13You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. 14The entire law is summed up in a single command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
16So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. 17For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.
19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
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Daniel Marsh:
(Hebrews 6: 4) “As for those people who were once brought into the light, and tasted the gift from heaven, and received a share of the Holy Spirit, and appreciated the good message of God and the powers of the world to come and yet in spite of this have fallen away it is impossible for that to be renewed a second time. They cannot be repentant if they have willfully crucified the Son of God and openly mocked Him.”
(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There will be left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the raging fire that is to burn rebels. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment. We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will repay. And again: The Lord will judge his people. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”
Because I don’t agree with the Church I’m off the wall? Well maybe I am, but I’m right!
Why are we talking about Moses? Jesus hadn’t yet died for us and Moses was not given the Gifts of the Holy Spirit.
(Hebrews 6: 4) “As for those people who were once brought into the light, and tasted the gift from heaven, and received a share of the Holy Spirit, and appreciated the good message of God and the powers of the world to come and yet in spite of this have fallen away it is impossible for that to be renewed a second time. They cannot be repentant if they have willfully crucified the Son of God and openly mocked Him.”
(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There will be left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the raging fire that is to burn rebels. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment. We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will repay. And again: The Lord will judge his people. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”
Because I don’t agree with the Church I’m off the wall? Well maybe I am, but I’m right!
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Eireann
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Heb: 6:4 **For it is impossible for those who were once illuminated, have tasted also the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 Have moreover tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, **
4 “*It is impossible”… The meaning is, that it is impossible for such as have fallen after baptism, to be again baptized; and very hard for such as have apostatized from the faith, after having received many graces, to return again to the happy state from which they fell. * Here
Ephesians 4:4 One body and one Spirit; as you are called in one hope of your calling. 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism.
26 “*If we sin wilfully”… He speaks of the sin of wilful apostasy from the known truth; after which, as we can not be baptized again, we can not expect to have that abundant remission of sins, which Christ purchased by his death, applied to our souls in that ample manner as it is in baptism: but we have rather all manner of reason to look for a dreadful judgment; the more because apostates from the known truth, seldom or never have the grace to return to it. Here
Proverbs 11:2 Where pride is, there also shall be reproach: but where humility is, there also is wisdom.
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Lillith
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Giver…
Why did Jesus command that we confess sins…if what you say is true there would be no need
John 20:22-23
Why did Jesus command that we confess sins…if what you say is true there would be no need
John 20:22-23
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Here is another Scripture almost like (Hebrews 6:4) I suppose you believe this is saying after baptism etc. I guess when people don’t understand a Scripture or how to live the Word they need to change it around so it can say something they have faith to live with.
Your teacher may have given you this interpretation, but my teacher let me understand the Scriptures just as they were written.
(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There will be left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the raging fire that is to burn rebels. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment. We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will repay. And again: The Lord will judge his people. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”
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kleary
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WRONG. Peter knew Jesus was God at the time Jesus made him the rock on which He would build His Church: “Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God.” Matt 16:16.
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kleary is right to point out your error concerning Peter. Even an elementary understanding of scripture would have prevented you from making such an egregiously false statement. This error was also pointed out to you earlier but you simply plowed on with this:
Giver:
Jesus and the Holy Spirit do not teach error or contradict themselves. You have made many erroneous comments and you have contradicted yourself several times. What you have brought to this forum is conjured up out of your own imagination. You have not been brought here to “give a word.” You have been lead to these forums to “receive the truth.”
Please be advised that you simply don’t know what you are talking, and you should stop claiming that everyone else is wrong. You have told me and others, while posting under your personal name before changing to “Giver”, that you receive everything straight from Jesus. Your blatant error concerning Peter should be ample proof that you are not getting your interpretations by way of Jesus or the Holy Spirit.
Jesus and the Holy Spirit do not teach error or contradict themselves. You have made many erroneous comments and you have contradicted yourself several times. What you have brought to this forum is conjured up out of your own imagination. You have not been brought here to “give a word.” You have been lead to these forums to “receive the truth.”
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Thank you for your post. I believe your right, when Peter denied Jesus three times, he did know Jesus was the Son of God, about the way most people know Him today, before Pentecost.
(John 16:12-14)”I still have many things to say to you but they would be too much for you now. But when the Spirit of truth comes he will lead you to the complete truth, since he will not be speaking as from himself but will say only what he has learnt; and he will tell you of the things to come.”
Understand that the Apostles needed as we do, the Holy Spirit to fully know God. No one can know God without being baptized with the Holy Spirit.
(1 Corinthians 2:716)”The hidden wisdom of God which we teach in our mysteries is the wisdom that God predestined to be for our glory before the ages began. It is a wisdom that none of the masters of this age have ever known, or they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory, we teach what scripture called the things that no eye has seen and no ear has heard, things beyond the mind of man, all that God has prepared for those who love him.
These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depths of everything, even the depths of God After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God. Now instead of the spirit of the world, we have received the Spirit that comes from God, to teach us to understand the gifts that he has given us. Therefore we teach, not in the way in which philosophy is taught, but in the way that the Spirit teaches us: we teach spiritual things spiritually. An unspiritual person is one who does not accept anything of the Spirit of God: he sees it all as nonsense; it is beyond his understanding because it can only be understood by means of the Spirit. A spiritual man, on the other hand, is able to judge the value of everything, and his own value is not to be judged by other men. As scripture says;’ who can know the mind of the Lord, so who can teach him?’ But we are those who have the mind of Christ.”
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Church Militant:
(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There will be left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the raging fire that is to burn rebels. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment. We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will repay. And again: The Lord will judge his people. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”
Of course I would have to forgive a brother who would ask me for forgiveness, but I’m not God and I didn’t die on a cross for anyone.
(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There will be left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the raging fire that is to burn rebels. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment. We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will repay. And again: The Lord will judge his people. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”
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tomaskovarik
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Wow!!!Good answer.How did you ever find time to post the rest of your post?:
Today I got angry at a driver who was tailgating me and I said a cursing word.
Now I know for sure that I have never been saved, that I am eternally doomed to damnation for eternity, because I sinned.
Thanks brother for opening my eyes.
Do you, by the way, know that great prophet-teacher, Harold Kemping? Or maybe, are you Harold Kemping?
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Lillith
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Forgive him of what…Doesn’t sin preceed forgiveness?
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Giver
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Personally I don’t think sarcasm makes you look any more informed or smarter.
My wife had a hard time with the teaching that Christians are dead to sin, because she is a scrupulous person and sees any human failure as sin. John said all wrongdoing is sin but all sin doesn’t lead to death.
If through some human weakness I become angry and strike out at someone without thinking, that would be a sin, but not a sin, which was willfully, committed, or leading to death.
Paul did mention some sins (1 Corinthians 6:9-9) that if you willfully and deliberately committed would let you know for sure that you didn’t know God, or if you do know God then:
(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There will be left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the raging fire that is to burn rebels. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment. We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will repay. And again: The Lord will judge his people. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”
(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.” Did you notice: usurers, and Scripture doesn’t say anything about excessive interest.
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Daniel_Marsh
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Hi Giver, “after pentecost”???
why was it neccessary for the apostles to be refilled with the Spirit?
How do you understand Romans 12:1-3 and Gal 5?
Do you believe that you have a sin nature?
why was it neccessary for the apostles to be refilled with the Spirit?
How do you understand Romans 12:1-3 and Gal 5?
Do you believe that you have a sin nature?
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Daniel_Marsh
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Numbers 11:16-30 (King James Version)
16And the LORD said unto Moses, Gather unto me seventy men of the elders of Israel, whom thou knowest to be the elders of the people, and officers over them; and bring them unto the tabernacle of the congregation, that they may stand there with thee.
17And I will come down and talk with thee there: and I will take of the spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with thee, that thou bear it not thyself alone.
18And say thou unto the people, Sanctify yourselves against to morrow, and ye shall eat flesh: for ye have wept in the ears of the LORD, saying, Who shall give us flesh to eat? for it was well with us in Egypt: therefore the LORD will give you flesh, and ye shall eat.
19Ye shall not eat one day, nor two days, nor five days, neither ten days, nor twenty days;
20But even a whole month, until it come out at your nostrils, and it be loathsome unto you: because that ye have despised the LORD which is among you, and have wept before him, saying, Why came we forth out of Egypt?
21And Moses said, The people, among whom I am, are six hundred thousand footmen; and thou hast said, I will give them flesh, that they may eat a whole month.
22Shall the flocks and the herds be slain for them, to suffice them? or shall all the fish of the sea be gathered together for them, to suffice them?
23And the LORD said unto Moses, Is the LORD’S hand waxed short? thou shalt see now whether my word shall come to pass unto thee or not.
24And Moses went out, and told the people the words of the LORD, and gathered the seventy men of the elders of the people, and set them round about the tabernacle.
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25And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease.
26But there remained two of the men in the camp, the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon them; and they were of them that were written, but went not out unto the tabernacle: and they prophesied in the camp.
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27And there ran a young man, and told Moses, and said, Eldad and Medad do prophesy in the camp.
28And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of Moses, one of his young men, answered and said, My lord Moses, forbid them.
29And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD’S people were prophets, and that** the LORD would put his spirit upon them! **
30And Moses gat him into the camp, he and the elders of Israel.
Gee, I see at least two spiritual gifts at work here, administration and prophecy.
Isaiah 63:11
But he remembered the days of old, Moses and his people: Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherds of his flock? Where is he that put his holy Spirit within him, (DBY)
16And the LORD said unto Moses, Gather unto me seventy men of the elders of Israel, whom thou knowest to be the elders of the people, and officers over them; and bring them unto the tabernacle of the congregation, that they may stand there with thee.
17And I will come down and talk with thee there: and I will take of the spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with thee, that thou bear it not thyself alone.
18And say thou unto the people, Sanctify yourselves against to morrow, and ye shall eat flesh: for ye have wept in the ears of the LORD, saying, Who shall give us flesh to eat? for it was well with us in Egypt: therefore the LORD will give you flesh, and ye shall eat.
19Ye shall not eat one day, nor two days, nor five days, neither ten days, nor twenty days;
20But even a whole month, until it come out at your nostrils, and it be loathsome unto you: because that ye have despised the LORD which is among you, and have wept before him, saying, Why came we forth out of Egypt?
21And Moses said, The people, among whom I am, are six hundred thousand footmen; and thou hast said, I will give them flesh, that they may eat a whole month.
22Shall the flocks and the herds be slain for them, to suffice them? or shall all the fish of the sea be gathered together for them, to suffice them?
23And the LORD said unto Moses, Is the LORD’S hand waxed short? thou shalt see now whether my word shall come to pass unto thee or not.
24And Moses went out, and told the people the words of the LORD, and gathered the seventy men of the elders of the people, and set them round about the tabernacle.
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25And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease.
26But there remained two of the men in the camp, the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon them; and they were of them that were written, but went not out unto the tabernacle: and they prophesied in the camp.
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27And there ran a young man, and told Moses, and said, Eldad and Medad do prophesy in the camp.
28And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of Moses, one of his young men, answered and said, My lord Moses, forbid them.
29And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD’S people were prophets, and that** the LORD would put his spirit upon them! **
30And Moses gat him into the camp, he and the elders of Israel.
Gee, I see at least two spiritual gifts at work here, administration and prophecy.
Isaiah 63:11
But he remembered the days of old, Moses and his people: Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherds of his flock? Where is he that put his holy Spirit within him, (DBY)
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