Ap. Viganò: Christ the King has been ‘dethroned’ not only ‘from society but also from the Church’

[StudentMI]

His actions also have consequences and the appearance of people like Vigano is one of those consequences.

I think a lot of people tend to forget this if not outright ignore it.

 

[stpurl]

And you completely misunderstood my point. Check out Scripture, friend, and the many psalms in which God spoke Himself to His people. It isn’t a “prosperity gospel’ kind of thing, and I’m not just speaking of ‘material goods’ INSTEAD of spiritual goods. It’s a both-and.

We aren’t after all to be like Judas sourly (and sneakily) demanding that ‘that ointment should have been sold and the money given to the poor’, are we?

 

[Julius_Caesar]

We aren’t after all to be like Judas sourly (and sneakily) demanding that ‘that ointment should have been sold and the money given to the poor’, are we?

And yet, in the Early Church the Apostles divided the wealth and used it to help the poor. This is what Pope Francis wants to take us back to.

 

[Julius_Caesar]

Check out Scripture, friend, and the many psalms in which God spoke Himself to His people. It isn’t a “prosperity gospel’ kind of thing, and I’m not just speaking of ‘material goods’ INSTEAD of spiritual goods. It’s a both-and.

And remember the story of the rich fool and the rich young man.

 

[stpurl]

And Pope Benedict didn’t? I hope we aren’t playing dueling popes. As in, “this is the first Pope EVER to go back to ‘real Christianity’.

 

[Julius_Caesar]

And Pope Benedict didn’t?

You’re saying it, not me.

I hope we aren’t playing dueling popes. As in, “this is the first Pope EVER to go back to ‘real Christianity’.

And it appears my post went over your head.

 

[StudentMI]

I hope we aren’t playing dueling popes. As in, “this is the first Pope EVER to go back to ‘real Christianity’.

I’ve seen this attitude so much it makes me nauseated. Even from priests.

 

[StudentMI]

And yet, in the Early Church the Apostles divided the wealth and used it to help the poor. This is what Pope Francis wants to take us back to.

That’s not really a practical solution in today’s day and age for an international organization.

 

[Julius_Caesar]

So taking care of our own isn’t practical. Great.

 

[StudentMI]

So taking care of our own isn’t practical. Great.

Yes that’s what I said. Exactly.

For an organization as big as the Church, it’s not practical or doable. That’s just reality. Bourgeois idealism doesn’t solve the issue of poverty.

 

[Julius_Caesar]

Yes that’s what I said. Exactly.

Now let us throw Matthew 25 out of the window.

 

[StudentMI]

Now let us throw Matthew 25 out of the window.

I’m sorry you have a a hard time with sarcasm.

Which organization is better equipped to help people in need? The primitive Church, or the international, highly organized and rich Church?

 

[Julius_Caesar]

Your logic would have us do this, as your sarcasm demonstrates.

Did Jesus command we do this or not?

 

[StudentMI]

Your logic would have us do this, as your sarcasm demonstrates.

Did Jesus command we do this or not?

So my logic as to how to do this necessitates deleting passages out of the Bible. That’s a charitable assumption.

Who more effectively helps the poor? Someone who sells all their riches and distributes the money in a commune, or an organization that accumulates vast wealth to fund schools, hospitals, employs people, organizes charity and soup kitchens, and has the money and power to organize societies in a way that raises living standards amongst the poorest classes?

 

[Julius_Caesar]

So my logic as to how to do this necessitates deleting passages out of the Bible. That’s a charitable assumption.

Again, your words.

 

[StudentMI]

And you again cut out part of my post that doesn’t fit your narrative. You’re not really in a discussion. See ya.

 

[Julius_Caesar]

Who more effectively helps the poor? Someone who sells all their riches and distributes the money in a commune, or an organization that accumulates vast wealth to fund schools, hospitals, employs people, organizes charity and soup kitchens, and has the money and power to organize societies in a way that raises living standards amongst the poorest classes?

You’re assuming that portion of wealth is enough. Again what were Jesus’s words on the matter?

 

[Julius_Caesar]

It seems you never wanted to talk to begin with.

 

[StudentMI]

It seems you never wanted to talk to begin with.

Actually I did. But it seems you’re simply looking for someone to agree with you. That’s a shame as this is a discussion board. You didn’t answer my pretty straightforward question about who more effectively helps the poor except with a rhetorical ‘what did Jesus say?’

If you think simply selling everything the Church has and distributing it to the poor is a real solution and would solve anything long term, be my guest. I remember Our Lord telling us to be as wise as serpents and gentle as doves.

 

[Julius_Caesar]

You didn’t answer my pretty straightforward question about who more effectively helps the poor except with a rhetorical ‘what did Jesus say?’

Do Jesus’s words have no weight?