Apparitions - Deceptions of Satan?

[Wildgraywolf]

myfavoritmartin:

Or we could look at it from this standpoint, the protestant evangelist faith is so strong that the devil wouldn’t dare try to deceive. Also, with the idolic question mark surrounding saints and Mary(which true catholics defend to death) wouldn’t that be the perfect open window for him.

Hmmm… So we have some 30,000 or so denominations all of which happen to be such bastions of truth and faith and are therefore impregnable to Satan? Perhaps those 30,000 denominations are just far enough away from faith and truth as not to pose a threat to Satan or his activates and therefore don’t merit his full attention. Satan loves chaos and the existance of 30,000 denominations each having their own understanding of truth and faith dosen’t sound like order to me. Perhaps Satan sees protestantism as: The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend?

 

[jim1130]

Wildgraywolf:

Hmmm… So we have some 30,000 or so denominations all of which happen to be such bastions of truth and faith and are therefore impregnable to Satan? Perhaps those 30,000 denominations are just far enough away from faith and truth as not to pose a threat to Satan or his activates and therefore don’t merit his full attention. Satan loves chaos and the existance of 30,000 denominations each having their own understanding of truth and faith dosen’t sound like order to me.

Peace.

Or maybe the Evil One has worked some tricks because among the 30,000 denominations how many church “leaders” have become their own popes, magesteriusm, prophets, etc. that they are the true witnesses and prophets? Maybe the Evil One has led many of these “leaders” to believe, falsely, that they and only they hold the charism of truth and, in doing so, their mission is to bad-mouth, misrepresent, mischaracterize, perpetuate lies, and viciously insult the Catholic Church? And maybe to also create chaos in Christianity by preaching mixed Gospels? Maybe the Evil One is trying to use these other denominations, through their “leaders,” to dismantle the Church founded by Christ? Just my two cents.

Peace.

 

[Wildgraywolf]

jim1130:

Peace.

Or maybe the Evil One has worked some tricks because among the 30,000 denominations how many church “leaders” have become their own popes, magesteriusm, prophets, etc. that they are the true witnesses and prophets?.

The great apostasy?

jim1130:

Maybe the Evil One has led many of these “leaders” to believe, falsely, that they and only they hold the charism of truth and, in doing so, their mission is to bad-mouth, misrepresent, mischaracterize, perpetuate lies, and viciously insult the Catholic Church? And maybe to also create chaos in Christianity by preaching mixed Gospels? Maybe the Evil One is trying to use these other denominations, through their “leaders,” to dismantle the Church founded by Christ?

The fruit of a well executed and successful deception…

 

[Alberich]

myfavoritmartin:

This one gets me, my question is this… why is there never any protestant or other christian sects that have had mary apparitions?
At least none that I’m aware of.

Given the almost virulent opposition of most Protestant denominations–especially the more fundamentalist and evangelical demoninations–I would think that a plausible explanation is simple: Mary does appear to other denominations. But the visionaries are probably aware that they will not be believed if they make knowledge of these visitations public. Worse, they may fear ridicule or disfellowship.

Alberich

 

[myfavoritmartin]

2 cor 11:
13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, who masquerade as apostles of Christ.
14
And no wonder, for even Satan masquerades as an angel of light.

 

[Church_Militant]

2 cor 11:
13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, who masquerade as apostles of Christ.
14
And no wonder, for even Satan masquerades as an angel of light.

That’s why the Church is so careful to investigate and discern such things before telling us that they are “worthy of belief” or not.

Thank you for making my case for me from The Word of God.

 

[Vaclav]

There is nothing to support anyone but angels as messengers and no biblical references that support such apparitions.

What about Numbers 22:28-30?

28 But now the LORD opened the mouth of the ***, and she asked Balaam, “What have I done to you that you should beat me these three times?”
29 “You have acted so willfully against me,” said Balaam to the ***, “that if I but had a sword at hand, I would kill you here and now.”
30 But the *** said to Balaam, “Am I not your own beast, and have you not always ridden upon me until now? Have I been in the habit of treating you this way before?” “No,” replied Balaam.

There was an angel there, but verse 28 clearly shows the messenger as the ***. Does that limit the Lord to angels and asses?

My point is this: is it not pretentious for you to limit the manner in which God communicates His message? Did He not also come to Earth in the flesh as Jesus Christ to communicate His message? Did the Apostles not also spread the Word? I think this is a very narrow view painted to attack Our Lady.

 

[rob179ny]

Care to elaborate on what you mean by that? I know its not in the butchered Protestant canon of the Bible that they received from the CATHOLIC Church and followed for 1000 years … by the way we’d like it back please …

lol

:extrahappy: :yup: :knight2:

 

[LilyM]

lol

:extrahappy: :yup: :knight2:

Hehe - much as I might like to claim that one, that’s not one of my posts :nope:

 

[rob179ny]

Oh hang on…it doesn’t say, AND the words of Mary and any other dead Saint. And before someone gives Bible examples of saints being asked to pray for and intercede on behalf of those living - those asked to pray and intercede (to GOD) are themselves living. Trying to communicate with the dead is a penalty worthy of death in the Bible.

Who said saints are dead ?

According to John 3:16 in the Douay Rheims Bible" For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten son; that whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have everlasting life.

Are you questioning the belief of the saints in christ ?

Now earlier you mentioned you were a mother, as I am a father. A question from parent to parent, Don’t you think that it is beautiful thing to watch your youngest child go to her older sister or brother for help. Not only that, how does it make you feel when the oldest child says well mommy or daddy wants it this way. It makes my heart melt because not only is love instituted here but it shows a level of great respect that your children have for you. I think God as father would not mind us going to those brothers ande sisters closest to his most beloved son.

God bless

 

[Good_Fella]

May I suggest that you visit www.catholicplanet.com and read the section ‘True and False Private Revelations.’ The site provides sound criteria to distinguish between true and false PRs and Marian apparitions.

Pax vobiscum
Good Fella

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Tobit…yes…wel…lol.

Please try to speak in sentences. It is very difficult for us to wake up from our somnambulant stupors unless you hinge your synapses into something vaguely resembling logic.